NEW YORK | 80 South Street | 1,436 FT | 113 FLOORS - Page 19

gttx · #**361** Posted **Mar 25, 2016, 1:02 PM**

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Originally Posted by antinimby

What does that mean? Only 817,784 is zoned for use? What's the leftover 250,000 zoned for, if not for "use?"

If you look at the colored diagram, I'm assuming the floors marked as "mechanical deduction" are included in the gross square footage (GSF) but are assumed to not contribute to zoning floor area (ZFA) of 817,000 SF. Although a 25% zoning deduction is very high by NYC standards...so likely the GSF will come down as the project is refined.

artspook · #**362** Posted **Mar 25, 2016, 8:41 PM**

here's hoping they give us . .
1,436-feet of sharp aesthetic . .
instead of just some watered down glass box . .
how 'bout referencing something vertically detailed . .
a sleek asymmetrical corten steel 70 Pine . .
jolting distinctively to sky . .

WIGGLEWORTH · #**363** Posted **Mar 26, 2016, 5:13 PM**

Ooh a modern 70 Pine would be sublime. With it's subtle gothic grace I could see a new downtown king arising.

NYguy · #**364** Posted **Mar 26, 2016, 5:51 PM**

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Originally Posted by DCReid

Yes, and look at the base. It's wider thant the supertall portion. NIMBYs may push the developer to build up from the entire base; i.e. a fat or longest 700 ft building rather than a 1400 foot tall skinny one. They were trying to push Silverstein to do that with his planned 1100 apartment tower in Hudson Yard.

Silverstein is pushing for a special permit to build more housing because his site was zoned primarily for commercial use. The 80 South St tower will be built as of right (which is why so much of the sale depended on the transfer of those air rights). But the city still has zoning guidelines, regardless of height, as far as design goes. That's why the Tower Verre had to jump through so many hoops. Whatever the design is here, it will most likely be something that won't require any special permits. They don't want to jump through any hoops, and risk anything.

The good news is that if SHoP is still on, they've shown they can do great within the zoning envelope.

gttx · #**365** Posted **Mar 28, 2016, 12:41 PM**

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Originally Posted by NYguy

Silverstein is pushing for a special permit to build more housing because his site was zoned primarily for commercial use. The 80 South St tower will be built as of right (which is why so much of the sale depended on the transfer of those air rights). But the city still has zoning guidelines, regardless of height, as far as design goes. That's why the Tower Verre had to jump through so many hoops. Whatever the design is here, it will most likely be something that won't require any special permits. They don't want to jump through any hoops, and risk anything.

The good news is that if SHoP is still on, they've shown they can do great within the zoning envelope.

More importantly, the existing zoning on the site pushes you to a really skinny tower anyway. Between setback requirements from the street and offsets from existing buildings and lot lines (for legal windows), you have a tiny envelope for a tower, no matter what the neighbors want.

manchester united · #**366** Posted **Mar 28, 2016, 3:44 PM**

When could begin the construction of this tower ?

NYguy · #**367** Posted **Mar 28, 2016, 4:22 PM**

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Originally Posted by manchester united

When could begin the construction of this tower ?

It could begin as soon as they are ready (financing, etc.)

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Originally Posted by gttx

More importantly, the existing zoning on the site pushes you to a really skinny tower anyway. Between setback requirements from the street and offsets from existing buildings
and lot lines (for legal windows), you have a tiny envelope for a tower, no matter what the neighbors want.

That's right. Plus the trend is to push the units higher for better and more expensive views. This is a great location for such a tower, both for views from and views of.

BTW, we should mention the neighboring development that's under construction...80 South St would be more than twice as high.

http://www.skyscraperpage.com/forum/showthread.php?t=199675

A good aerial of both sites (about a year ago)

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Originally Posted by chris08876

April 25, 2015:

Looks like some heavy equipment and possibly a crane is on the site (Near the S. Seaport)

Over the East River by go_wrillahhh, on Flickr

jbermingham123 · #**368** Posted **Mar 29, 2016, 3:12 AM**

^^Jesus thats an incredible comparison

sbarn · #**369** Posted **Mar 29, 2016, 12:22 PM**

Sneak peak at Lower Manhattan once these projects are done (missing 2WTC and many Midtown projects):

Original Photo Credit:

Aerial New York Harbor Sunset (DSC00101) by Michael Lee, on Flickr

yankeesfan1000 · #**370** Posted **Mar 29, 2016, 1:43 PM**

^^^ he's back!

jbermingham123 · #**371** Posted **Mar 30, 2016, 3:39 AM**

the skyscraper gods have sent sbarn back from heaven

NYguy · #**372** Posted **Mar 31, 2016, 4:44 AM**

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Originally Posted by sbarn

Sneak peak at Lower Manhattan once these projects are done (missing 2WTC and many Midtown projects):

This is what I'm talking about. A tower to anchor Downtown's eastside with the westside, the "gate" to New York.

MARCH 29, 2016

Current state of affairs around site...

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2. Is this the first supertall that would be built on a cobblestone street?

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5. SHoP designed this space on pier 15, a convenient location to watch this future (SHoP?) tower rise...
http://inhabitat.com/nyc/pier-15-by-shop...-on-the-east-river-waterfront-esplanade/

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Eidolon · #**373** Posted **Apr 1, 2016, 3:50 PM**

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Originally Posted by sbarn

Sneak peak at Lower Manhattan once these projects are done (missing 2WTC and many Midtown projects):

Great to have you back! This place just wasn't the same without you.

NYguy · #**374** Posted **Apr 4, 2016, 5:39 PM**

This video gives me an idea of what watching a tower going up at 80 South Street could look like...

• Video Link

Doctorboffin · #**375** Posted **Apr 4, 2016, 5:49 PM**

^^What's the blue building next to 3 WTC?

NYguy · #**376** Posted **Apr 4, 2016, 5:54 PM**

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Originally Posted by Doctorboffin

^^What's the blue building next to 3 WTC?

125 Greenwich.

http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/showthread.php?t=189153

mrnyc · #**377** Posted **May 6, 2016, 11:08 PM**

trying to figure out exactly which existing bldgs will be taken out for this tower. just north of the new fairfield hotel at 161 front are two obviously closed up bldgs that will go, 163 & 165 front. but north of that is a parking lot on front st at john st and two other bldgs on south st -- will those go away as well?

NYguy · #**378** Posted **May 9, 2016, 5:32 PM**

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Originally Posted by mrnyc

trying to figure out exactly which existing bldgs will be taken out for this tower. just north of the new fairfield hotel at 161 front are two obviously closed up bldgs that will go,
163 & 165 front. but north of that is a parking lot on front st at john st and two other bldgs on south st -- will those go away as well?

Study the base in this graphic to try to get a better idea...

NYguy · #**379** Posted **Jun 14, 2016, 7:17 PM**

SHoP now potentially has 2 supertall towers overlooking the east river, in addition to 111 W. 57th, 9 DeKalb, and 360 10th.

This render will have to be revised yet again...

http://www.amny.com/real-estate/manhatta...soar-a-cityrealty-report-says-1.11910204

Zapatan · #**380** Posted **Jun 14, 2016, 10:36 PM**

Wow! Gotta love NYC

Although it should be at least ~150 feet taller in that last picture.