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sdm · #**361** Posted **Sep 8, 2009, 11:34 PM**

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Originally Posted by terrynorthend

CTV and several City Councilors reporting that an announcement should be made on this after Thursday's Provincial Cabinet meeting. Sounds like its a green light.

Kelly wanted to add a 2000-3000 seat Performing Arts Centre connected to this project (not entirely sure where

) but agreed to back off if it means getting the Convention Centre built.

smells like staging to me, in that the city wants it but province will back out.

Wishblade · #**362** Posted **Sep 8, 2009, 11:45 PM**

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Originally Posted by sdm

smells like staging to me, in that the city wants it but province will back out.

I disagree. I believe Dexter has even said that he supports this and his government will carry out its part.

sdm · #**363** Posted **Sep 8, 2009, 11:50 PM**

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Originally Posted by Wishblade

I disagree. I believe Dexter has even said that he supports this and his government will carry out its part.

yeah i guess we will see which way it goes. For me i won't get too worked up till i see a crane.

sdm · #**364** Posted **Sep 10, 2009, 12:59 PM**

News in allnovascotia today with Dexter saying that basically council was out of line to state what they did and that an answer could be upto a year. Starts talking about if the project is affordable, if its the right one etc.

Sounds to me Council goof'd again......

Wishblade · #**365** Posted **Sep 10, 2009, 3:38 PM**

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Originally Posted by sdm

News in allnovascotia today with Dexter saying that basically council was out of line to state what they did and that an answer could be upto a year. Starts talking about if the project is affordable, if its the right one etc.

Sounds to me Council goof'd again......

In that case, 2013 completion date my ass.

worldlyhaligonian · #**366** Posted **Sep 10, 2009, 4:04 PM**

This is just rediculous... Halifax needs this more than anything... we are supposed to be a trade hub. I don't trust Dexter at all now, if he had any sense it would be to push this thing through.

Barrington south · #**367** Posted **Sep 10, 2009, 4:39 PM**

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Originally Posted by Phalanx

[politics]
Just for the record, the most vocal anti-development NDP party member was shut out of cabinet...

I'm just tired of the common "The NDP are anti-(insert development related issue here)" diatribe. these views are not monolithic.

So before people start accusing the NDP of obstructing projects,

some sort of proof would be nice.

lets just see what happens here.

Barrington south · #**368** Posted **Sep 10, 2009, 5:02 PM**

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Originally Posted by sdm

smells like staging to me, in that the city wants it but province will back out.

this is why I have more respect form SDM than anyother...and I do not mean that as a slight to anyone

Phalanx · #**369** Posted **Sep 10, 2009, 7:53 PM**

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Originally Posted by Barrington south

...Your point? Where's the obstruction? Where's the proof that there's an anti-development attitude? They're assessing the project. C'mon, give me something here... Or maybe you can't?

worldlyhaligonian · #**370** Posted **Sep 10, 2009, 9:29 PM**

Can you post the allnovascotia article?

Dmajackson · #**371** Posted **Sep 10, 2009, 10:05 PM**

^Lol nice signature "worldlyhaligonian"

Barrington south · #**372** Posted **Sep 10, 2009, 10:21 PM**

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^Lol nice signature "worldlyhaligonian"

nice one!!!...

sometimes I wonder who the sharper knife is

Sloane vs. Eva Hoare

sdm · #**373** Posted **Sep 10, 2009, 11:42 PM**

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Originally Posted by worldlyhaligonian

Can you post the allnovascotia article?

i can in a few days, as it becomes free for view after 3 days.

Barrington south · #**374** Posted **Sep 11, 2009, 2:35 AM**

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Originally Posted by Phalanx

...Your point? Where's the obstruction? Where's the proof that there's an anti-development attitude? They're assessing the project. C'mon, give me something here... Or maybe you can't?

your clutching for straw's brah........I hope your man Dex proves me wrong.....it'll be good for the city.....If he does, I'm man enough....I'll eat my words

Phalanx · #**375** Posted **Sep 11, 2009, 4:49 AM**

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Originally Posted by Barrington south

your clutching for straw's brah........I hope your man Dex proves me wrong.....it'll be good for the city.....If he does, I'm man enough....I'll eat my words

I'm grasping at straws, huh? Riiiiiight. I'm still waiting for you to back up your post.

Anyway, my point is that it's premature to be drawing conclusions one way or the other. Besides, given the state of the province's finances, there may well be a good reason to reevaluate, or at least seek additional funding elsewhere before proceeding.

worldlyhaligonian · #**376** Posted **Sep 11, 2009, 5:40 AM**

This development will be influential in spurring future business in Halifax. I've worked in international trade, and it is known that Halifax has far more potential.

This investment is something will generate a greater social return in the long run. Please get this development underway... I still can't believe the midtown tower proposal got shot down and don't need 2 proposals in a row to not happen.

We garner a significant amount of trade shows and conferences for our size and this development would make us stronger and help local business and Canadian business in general. Come on... lets get this city going!! (we can afford it)

sdm · #**377** Posted **Sep 11, 2009, 10:06 AM**

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Originally Posted by worldlyhaligonian

This development will be influential in spurring future business in Halifax. I've worked in international trade, and it is known that Halifax has far more potential.

This investment is something will generate a greater social return in the long run. Please get this development underway... I still can't believe the midtown tower proposal got shot down and don't need 2 proposals in a row to not happen.

We garner a significant amount of trade shows and conferences for our size and this development would make us stronger and help local business and Canadian business in general. Come on... lets get this city going!! (we can afford it)

Yes i agree we need a new facility, but i am greedy and i want a new trade centre and a new stadium as well. So to me the best economic package is to expand the existing trade centre into the metro centre and then build a new stadium.

beyeas · #**378** Posted **Sep 11, 2009, 2:59 PM**

Personally... I have very little trust in any government or politicians ability to affect change in this area, given the track record over the last while.

People in this forum often seem scared about Dexter in terms of business/development, I do understand where their fear comes from. Having said that, where is the concrete (pun intended) evidence of the PC's commitment to development? Aside from a lot of talk about a CBD etc, where is this shiny tower edifice to past conservative governments? I cannot think of a single major development in downtown halifax during the last period of Tory rule (i.e. since the Hamm government took over) that we can attribute to their influence?!?!?! All they did was talk about it, but actually accomplished nothing.

The frustrating part for me is that when I have pointed that out to people, they then say that is not the provincial Tory's fault because the NS government can't directly influence development applications to the city. If that is true (which it is), then how can the flipside be true, which is this mythical wonderful position influence that the NS Tory's have supposedly had on development!!!

Personally, I think that every politician of every political stripe talks big and says what they think their base wants to hear, but at the end of the day NONE of them (conservative or not) have had any real impact on development in downtown Halifax.

Wishblade · #**379** Posted **Sep 11, 2009, 3:09 PM**

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Originally Posted by beyeas

Personally, I think that every politician of every political stripe talks big and says what they think their base wants to hear, but at the end of the day NONE of them (conservative or not) have had any real impact on development in downtown Halifax.

Yes, but you also have to keep in mind that most developments don't require the approval of the provincial government. Because this is going to include a convention centre, and the city and province are footing the bill, its one of the few where this is nessesary. For most developments, the funding doesnt come from the city or province. This development isn't like any regular office tower.

Barrington south · #**380** Posted **Sep 11, 2009, 3:46 PM**

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Originally Posted by sdm

Yes i agree we need a new facility, but i am greedy and i want a new trade center and a new stadium as well. So to me the best economic package is to expand the existing trade center into the metro center and then build a new stadium.

In my mind, the best scenario would be, proceed with the nova center.....along with it's many good features...i.e.....pedestrain mall..(no superblock).... towers for office space and hotel..(former much needed)....lots of retail...(just imagine the action on argyle, with new res\bars\café across from the shoe shop)....and the facility's will be relatively state of the art...just make the apperance of it Aesthetically up to date

Then tear down that hulking dinousor...ie....metro center....and built a state of the art stadium....then you have a brand new conversion center, instead of a retrofitted eye-sore. And the shiny new stadium will be nice and Central, right in town on the former metro center's site....adding that big city bustle to the core before and after events....filling the bars and resturants....if it gets built in some place like Shannon park it would be a dying shame...we must look to the experience of the many stadium in north America that where built away from the core, and faltered.....

my last point, we need this injection of life into the core asap

not just for the added benefit of the flash new retail, or the much needed class A space....the new people attending conventions will be like a shot in the arm to the core....it's like downtown has been put into suspended animation....no major development since purdy's warf.....WTF?...that's encompassing two major boom periods...now is the time for action