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Old Posted Oct 31, 2023, 2:35 AM
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https://nypost.com/2023/11/04/opinio...blocked-views/

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New York City has many fine museums — it isn’t one. Yet.

But New York is the home of the nation’s second-dumbest urban political ecosystem (in this, if in nothing else, San Francisco excels all others), and so there is an effort afoot to impose new burdensome regulation upon, of all things, the city’s skyline.

The Municipal Art Society of New York has been pressing for more stringent regulation for a decade, while academics such as Jorge Otero-Pailos of Columbia’s historic preservation program have joined the chorus.

And, of course, there are eternally disgruntled New Yorkers themselves. A snarky New York Times essay recently reinvigorated the debate.

The same sort of people who 100 years ago were complaining about the Empire State Building are now complaining that somebody is ruining their view of the Empire State Building.
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More supertalls are precisely what New York actually needs. (More squillionaires, too—New York is, after all, a city in which 1 percent of taxpayers cough up half of the tax revenue.)

An island city that cannot build out has nowhere to go but up, but New York mostly refuses to do so: New York has about 1.2 million more residents than Hong Kong but has barely half as many buildings 450 feet tall or taller.

When it comes to 600-foot buildings, New York lags behind Dubai, which has half of New York’s population.

If you want more affordable housing, then you have to allow housing to be built.

The taller a building is, the more housing it can accommodate on a particular footprint.
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New Yorkers have resisted change for a long time: When plans for the Empire State Building were revealed, locals insisted that Fifth Avenue simply wouldn’t be Fifth Avenue without the Waldorf-Astoria upon which it was constructed.

Critics hated the Chrysler Building—like the new residential towers, it was derided in many quarters as a garnish, a rich man’s folly.

My former Manhattan home, Frank Gehry’s 8 Spruce Street (for a while the tallest residential building in the Western Hemisphere) was derided by Citysignal as one of “five NYC buildings that have ruined the skyline,” but it is one of the most Gotham-y of Gotham buildings, and people come from all over the world to see it.

This isn’t only a New York problem. Parisians, who are the New Yorkers of Europe, hated the Eiffel Tower, partly for the same class-war reasons afoot in New York (it was denounced as the product of “mercantile whims”), and partly out of old-fashioned Parisian conservatism.

The writer Guy de Maupassant ate his lunch in the Eiffel Tower café every day—because it was the only place in Paris that didn’t have a view of the tower, which he despised.

Paris maintains an effective ban on skyscrapers and has for 50 years.
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New York regulators should take a page from Fran Leibowitz and “pretend it’s a city.”

Cities grow and change.

Cities also attract the young and the ambitious who are not starting at the top—and those people have to live somewhere.

New York’s problem isn’t that there are too many expensive apartments, but that the same kind of NIMBYism that opposes tall residential buildings also opposes the kind of dense, tall development that would make housing more affordable for non-billionaires.

What you can’t do is install yourself in a comfortable Upper West Side apartment or TriBeCa loft and then oppose building anything anywhere for anyone else.

Of course, if you really love the New York skyline so much that you want it set in stone, then maybe do New York a favor and relocate to Weehawken, where you can get a museum-quality view of the city without micromanaging the poor people who have to try to actually live there.
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The author is largely correct, but NYC is coming strong for HK and Dubai, and NYC already beats HK in supertalls.

HK and Dubai also have very dubious futures, whereas NYC will remain the crown jewel of the world's largest economy for the rest of our lifetimes at least.

I expect 100 supertalls in NYC before I die.
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The author is largely correct, but NYC is coming strong for HK and Dubai, and NYC already beats HK in supertalls.

HK and Dubai also have very dubious futures, whereas NYC will remain the crown jewel of the world's largest economy for the rest of our lifetimes at least.

I expect 100 supertalls in NYC before I die.
Both have benefited from offshore 'investment', oil funds and real estate speculation to appease their rulers and foreign constituents.

New York is home to Wall Street where oil is traded in Dollars.

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Is that Jared Leto and why?
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Will NYC get a megatall?

Currently there are four, found in: Dubai, Kuala Lumpur, Shanghai, and Mecca
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...ll_skyscrapers
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Will NYC get a megatall?

Currently there are four, found in: Dubai, Kuala Lumpur, Shanghai, and Mecca
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...ll_skyscrapers
IMO...No. There is no financial incentive to build that high nor is there a company willing to lease or own such an expensive/intricate space. All those towers you mentioned had government financial help. The Burj Kalifa still has yet to be connected to Dubai's sewer system as it cannot handle the building. The poo poo has to be pumped out of that building and trucked away daily. Also, there's more jurisdictional bureaucracy and construction workers get paid a lot more here than in those cities. Construction costs are multiple times more.

It would only happen if costs miraculously came down or a developer were to use their own money without compensation or if it were residential...enough billionaires to purchase those condos.

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It was a promo stunt for the new 30 Seconds to Mars album.
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Will NYC get a megatall?

Currently there are four, found in: Dubai, Kuala Lumpur, Shanghai, and Mecca
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...ll_skyscrapers

If they put a spire on 175 Park it would hover around the 600 meter mark.

Doubtful though.. think after 450 meters things start to get silly for a single tower, just make a complex of multiple buildings i.e. Hudson Yards

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This is gonna be like 450 11th Avenue, where the structure goes all the way up before we see any cladding, isn't it?
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This is gonna be like 450 11th Avenue, where the structure goes all the way up before we see any cladding, isn't it?

Assuming it will look the same, I wonder how it will match the spire of the ESB.











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Any idea of when we'll start seeing some facade?
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