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Originally Posted by MalcolmTucker
So you are right because the airlines lie when they report data to the government, their regulator?  Because really an airline has a huge incentive to show that a certain number of people from Terrace, BC flew down south?
The Allegiant is another matter. 19,000 at Grand Forks and 29,000 at Fargo. I'd bet about a third of that is Canadians. |
Actually the airlines do lie and missrepresent traffic figures all the time. However its usually because of lack of resources for the data pull than it is for other purposes.
As an example, Allegiant will only report segment O&D guests. If the guest gets onto another flight (as in make your own connection) within four hours of first flight arrival, Allegiant will still report the pax separately/ This is beause Allegiant does not want to pay the Data Scientist and IT programmers to collect information according to FAA/NTSB rules.
Westjet did the same as Allegiant until 2004 when they went into the transborder market on their own (excluded whole airplane charters that occured in 2003 and previous). WS reasoning for not reporting connection information was that their system (Openskies) did not report anything beyond segment guests.
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Originally Posted by CoryB
^^ It really depends on when a passenger is counted as US bound. Does it occur when they go through US screen, do they look at the full itinerary or is it something else? The stats that were cited made it clear it was as reported by the airlines but not what criteria where used to determine o/d by the airlines. For example I personally have flown to Phoenix then onto Hawaii but not on the same airline. How is my origin and destination captured in that report?
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In the case described above the reporting would most certainly be YWG-PHX stop PHX-Hawaii-PHX stop PHX-YWG stop.
Airlines will report on a PNR or ticket basis, and PNRs and tickets are independent variables. A PNR can have multiple tickets and a ticket can have multiple PNRs. The third aspect of the discussion is coupon (segment level reporting). Coupons must be associated with a single ticket but the coupon order can cross PNRs.
All the discussion of PNR, tickets, and coupons makes for very complex reporting tools.
Beyond the regulatory reporting standards, airlines also have access to other data sets. So for example AC can tell if a Winnipegger flies FAR-DEN on UA, so long as the pax uses their Aeroplan number. AC can also tell for all pax if the traveler has an ultimate destination through UA or LH Group as these airlines are part of the TransAtlantic JV and they all share data. AC can also tell if a YEG pax buys a ticket for YYC-LHR and drives down to YYC.
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Originally Posted by plrh
congrats. HK is super-easy as an english only person. It's equal to going to Quebec. I would take my kids to HK (age 5+7) in a heartbeat, but not the mainland.
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Agreed on going to HK but not Shenzen for the first trip.
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Originally Posted by jmt18325
I'm interested to know why not the mainland, as I plan to go to Shenzhen while there (and possibly Macau). I'm also planning to visit Beijing at some point, as well as Chengdu and Xi'an.
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If you plan on going to Shenzhen or Macau, talk to an immigration expert first. You can land in HKG and obtain an arrival tourist visa for no cost. However if going to Shenzhen you must get a tourist visa prior to departing Canada.
China recently opened up their visa requirements for tourists to allow for multiple entry. The new visa is allowed for 10 years or until passport expiration, which ever comes first. If you want to travel to Shenzhen on the current trip and plan on later traveling to Beijing, Xian, etc. I recommend completing the following:
(1) renew Canadian passport for 10 years.
(2) once you get your new Canadian passport. immediately apply for a 10 year Chinese tourist visa with multiple entry.
(3) travel to China as often as you like for the next years. Just don't lose your Canadian passport.
A lot of frequent travelers are doing the above three steps now that China allows for multiple entry visas.
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