Canadian Retail Thread - Page 183

SpongeG · #**3641** Posted **Jan 10, 2015, 2:51 AM**

go they have cafes in them? cause the edmonton srore doesn't have a cafe unless i've missed it somehow

J.OT13 · #**3642** Posted **Jan 10, 2015, 3:01 AM**

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Originally Posted by SpongeG

go they have cafes in them? cause the edmonton srore doesn't have a cafe unless i've missed it somehow

I noticed that too in the Gatineau, Mississauga and Calgary renderings. Having café/restaurants in department stores seems to be a returning trend, at least with Simons and Nordtrom.

I don't think the Ottawa store will have a café. The restaurant on the ground floor of the rendering is a completely different entity. I think I heard it was going to be a Joey's (the fake "Chloe's" logo is the mirror image of Joey's logo).

Nouvellecosse · #**3643** Posted **Jan 10, 2015, 3:06 AM**

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Originally Posted by manny_santos

http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2015/01...n_6417828.html

I don't think Target is going to pull out of Canada entirely (yet), but I would not be surprised to see certain stores close or get sold to Walmart.

Nothing would give me more satisfaction than seeing them fall flat on their faces. Zellers was in the market place for decades and continually performed its function while watching many competitors come and go. Yet it suddenly gets replaced by a foreign firm why? Because anything foreign is automatically better?? Nice to see people rejecting such foolishness.

Would be nice if they just sold it and HBC bought it and renamed it Zellers!

J.OT13 · #**3644** Posted **Jan 10, 2015, 6:29 PM**

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Originally Posted by Nouvellecosse

Nothing would give me more satisfaction than seeing them fall flat on their faces. Zellers was in the market place for decades and continually performed its function while watching many competitors come and go. Yet it suddenly gets replaced by a foreign firm why? Because anything foreign is automatically better?? Nice to see people rejecting such foolishness.

Would be nice if they just sold it and HBC bought it and renamed it Zellers!

That's the dream!

MalcolmTucker · #**3645** Posted **Jan 10, 2015, 7:05 PM**

HBC does need some 'Off 5th' locations, and some might be Saks compatible like Square One, Chinook.

Breaking up Target for Wal-Mart, HBC, Nordstroms (rack and mainline), and Simons would make the most sense.

I like Target's products, but every time I go in they are short on inventory. They need an epic turnaround to survive.

esquire · #**3646** Posted **Jan 10, 2015, 8:45 PM**

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Originally Posted by MalcolmTucker

I like Target's products, but every time I go in they are short on inventory. They need an epic turnaround to survive.

Their supply chain issues were understandable for the first few months, but to still be sorting this out over a year later is inexcusable. They're shooting themselves in the foot big time.

I like Target and I go there somewhat regularly, but it is annoying when they are out of stock of seemingly basic items on the shopping list.

eternallyme · #**3647** Posted **Jan 11, 2015, 12:53 AM**

Why did Walmart succeed big time when coming to Canada, yet Target floundered?

kwoldtimer · #**3648** Posted **Jan 11, 2015, 1:05 AM**

Walmart knew what they were doing, while Target had no clue. Plus Walmart met peoples expectations at the outset, while Target did not.

Nouvellecosse · #**3649** Posted **Jan 11, 2015, 1:54 AM**

When Walmart started up, did they arrive as suddenly and as intensely as Target did? A lot of retailers move into a new market gradually in waves rather than instantly being a huge national retailer with presence in every notable sub-market. The more gradual approach is probably wiser so that you can get to know the new market and learn from mistakes that only affect a few stores without every mis-step being this huge national thing.

WhipperSnapper · #**3650** Posted **Jan 11, 2015, 2:02 AM**

What store did Walmart buy out? I do remember store popping up everywhere in a short time. I believe there's only 4 Targets in the 416.

Problem with Target is inventory. The store by my house hasn't had any mens socks whatsoever for an entire week. Walmart, on the other hand, is a master at it.

Trevor3 · #**3651** Posted **Jan 11, 2015, 2:08 AM**

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Originally Posted by WhipperSnapper

What store did Walmart buy out? I do remember store popping up everywhere in a short time. I believe there's only 4 Targets in the 416.

Problem with Target is inventory. The store by my house hasn't had any mens socks whatsoever for an entire week. Walmart, on the other hand, is a master at it.

Wal-Mart replaced Woolco, which was a branch of Woolworths.

I go to Target first over Walmart simply because there are less people around and the store isn't picked apart every time I go in.

Nouvellecosse · #**3652** Posted **Jan 11, 2015, 2:12 AM**

I didn't realise that Walmart had bought anything out. I thought they just started new stores from scratch. I think the ones in the Maritimes started from scratch but I could be mistaken as I was pretty young at the time.

Trevor3 · #**3653** Posted **Jan 11, 2015, 2:15 AM**

Here it is:

Walmart marks 20th anniversary of arrival in Canadian market

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The U.S.-based discount department chain got its start in this country with the acquisition of 122 Woolco stores on March 17, 1994.

Since then, Walmart Canada has more than tripled the number of stores in its chain and it employs nearly six times as many people.

http://www.thewesternstar.com/Busine...adian-market/1

I remember the Stephenville Woolco transitioning to a Walmart as a very small child, basically grew up in the mall here since my mom worked at another department store just down the hall. It took 6-7 years for Walmart to expand into Corner Brook, so they went slow, and we still have our original >60,000 sq.ft Wal-Mart 20 years later!

Nouvellecosse · #**3654** Posted **Jan 11, 2015, 2:20 AM**

Oh interesting! So they did both then - made an official foothold acquisition and then opened the bulk of their stores separately over time.

dreambrother808 · #**3655** Posted **Jan 11, 2015, 4:45 PM**

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Originally Posted by SpongeG

and same goes for BC, i went to coquitlam, metrotown and richmond stores over christmas and all 3 stores were busy, i was really surprised by how busy the richmond store was. They had plenty of stock and the tills were all busy, they even opened an extra one due to the line getting so long.

My experience is similar. Target seems to be doing fairly well in metro Vancouver. I can't imagine that they would pull out of Canada entirely.

MonctonRad · #**3656** Posted **Jan 11, 2015, 5:17 PM**

I was at the Target in Moncton yesterday. Same thing. It was surprisingly busy and the people in the line-up at the checkout in front of me all had multiple items in their shopping carts. They had to open up another checkout while I was waiting because it was so busy.

Hopefully Target has turned the corner, and if not, hopefully management will give the chain another years grace before deciding to pull the plug. I do think things are changing. At the very least, don't shutter the entire chain. There's something like 120 Targets in Canada. Maybe they should just close the 30 or so least performing stores.......

I much prefer Target over Zellers or Wal-Mart. I refuse to buy anything at Wal-Mart out of pure spite.

manny_santos · #**3657** Posted **Jan 11, 2015, 9:01 PM**

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Originally Posted by Nouvellecosse

Nothing would give me more satisfaction than seeing them fall flat on their faces. Zellers was in the market place for decades and continually performed its function while watching many competitors come and go. Yet it suddenly gets replaced by a foreign firm why? Because anything foreign is automatically better?? Nice to see people rejecting such foolishness.

Would be nice if they just sold it and HBC bought it and renamed it Zellers!

Unfortunately, if HBC were to buy out Target today, it would still be American-owned. HBC has been owned by NRDC Equity Partners of New York since 2008, which means Zellers was also American-owned in its final couple of years of operations.

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Originally Posted by WhipperSnapper

What store did Walmart buy out? I do remember store popping up everywhere in a short time. I believe there's only 4 Targets in the 416.

That's surprising, considering London alone has 2 of them.

Innsertnamehere · #**3658** Posted **Jan 11, 2015, 10:49 PM**

there are 5 in the 416, with a 6th one coming. Walmart has 12 stores in the 416, with at least 1 additional store planned.

SpongeG · #**3659** Posted **Jan 13, 2015, 11:20 PM**

I keep hearing stock issues with target but no one ever mentions the stock issues with walmart, maybe its just northern alberta but the two stores i go to regularly have lots of empty shelves, they leave the stock sitting on pallets in boxes in the middle of the aisles and it's impossible to get around most of the time

mentioned by someone else in the vancouver forum...

Ikea to open string of smaller stores across Canada
Outlets one-tenth the size of a regular Ikea will be primarily for e-commerce pickups

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Ikea hasn’t released exact locations, but “the pickup stores will be on the West Coast and all over the country,” Sjöstrand said. “I hope that a year from now we will have five to 10 pickup points.”

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http://www.biv.com/article/2014/12/i...across-canada/

SpongeG · #**3660** Posted **Jan 13, 2015, 11:22 PM**

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Originally Posted by manny_santos

Unfortunately, if HBC were to buy out Target today, it would still be American-owned. HBC has been owned by NRDC Equity Partners of New York since 2008, which means Zellers was also American-owned in its final couple of years of operations.

That's surprising, considering London alone has 2 of them.

target doesn't have tha many stores in any given area, seattle proper only has about 3

compared to walmart which probably has a 2-1 ratio of stores in comparison in the same area