Winnipeg Retail

[Roger Strong]

Originally Posted by EastK

I'm sure every TDI owner is excited to get a recall that will hugely lower their cars performance and MPG. This won't cost VW anything close to what people are saying because unless you live in a state or province that has mandatory emissions testing nobody will bother participating in the recall.

All those TDI owners will get their performance/mileage downgrades regardless. Bring the car in for warranty repair or periodic servicing, and they'll get the software update whether they want it or not.

Nor will what state they're in matter. In the US the government will have a list of the serial numbers for all the affected vehicles. They'll soon get updates from VW on which vehicles have been made legal. They're talking about denying vehicle registrations to those without the update. You can bet that Canada will follow.

The government fines and private class-action lawsuits will be based on vehicles sold, not on how many get the update.

[EastK]

Originally Posted by Roger Strong

All those TDI owners will get their performance/mileage downgrades regardless. Bring the car in for warranty repair or periodic servicing, and they'll get the software update whether they want it or not.

Nor will what state they're in matter. In the US the government will have a list of the serial numbers for all the affected vehicles. They'll soon get updates from VW on which vehicles have been made legal. They're talking about denying vehicle registrations to those without the update. You can bet that Canada will follow.

The government fines and private class-action lawsuits will be based on vehicles sold, not on how many get the update.

Not true at all. The rate on safety recalls is often less than 60% and the government does not enforce those even those recalls are much more likely to cause injury or death. The rate drops significantly when the recall is not safety related. There is no reason to believe a recall of an issue which is of no physical threat to motorists will be any more enforced. If GM owners with faulty ignition switches (ignition switches that have caused at least 9 deaths) are not being compelled to comply with a recall then VW owners have nothing to worry about

[buzzg]

^^Yup. If you want to keep the warranty on your car active, you have to bring your car in for regular maintenance, then they by law have to update it. While some of the models the bumper-to-bumper warranties are expired, almost all still have active powertrain warranties (5 years with VW).

[Roger Strong]

Originally Posted by EastK

Not true at all. The rate on safety recalls is often less than 60% and the government does not enforce those even those recalls are much more likely to cause injury or death.

This isn't a safety recall. And safety recalls are almost always the result of an oversight or mistake, not illegal activity. Even GM's ignition switch defect wasn't illegal in nature. (Sitting on the problem WAS, and that's cost them a BILLION dollars in government sanctions, not counting lawsuits, loss in shareholder price and the recall itself.)

The diesel problem is illegal activity right from the start. On a scale where it's become political.

And unlike safety recalls where the government can't force all the owners to get their cars fixed, in this case they can. If your GM car still as a faulty ignition switch, it's not illegal to keep driving it. The diesel VWs on the other hand break emissions laws. The government can refuse to register/reregister them until they're made legal again.

But it's a moot point. Unlike replacing an ignition switch, this is just a software update. It's cheap an simple to do; no parts needed. Everyone will get their performance/mileage downgrade when they bring their car in for repair or periodic maintenance, whether they like it or not.

[Simplicity]

Originally Posted by EastK

I'm sure every TDI owner is excited to get a recall that will hugely lower their cars performance and MPG. This won't cost VW anything close to what people are saying because unless you live in a state or province that has mandatory emissions testing nobody will bother participating in the recall.

Yeah, I'd agree. It's a good point you make...

At the end of the day, there is somebody that's going to be tasked with enforcing this and you can be assured that whomever that is will lack the resources to do so. It's simply too many vehicles. Nobody is going to be chasing down private citizens who may or may not even have the vehicle anymore. I get recall notices for vehicles I haven't owned in 8 years in one case.

[EastK]

Originally Posted by Roger Strong

This isn't a safety recall. And safety recalls are almost always the result of an oversight or mistake, not illegal activity. Even GM's ignition switch defect wasn't illegal in nature. (Sitting on the problem WAS, and that's cost them a BILLION dollars in government sanctions, not counting lawsuits, loss in shareholder price and the recall itself.)

The diesel problem is illegal activity right from the start. On a scale where it's become political.

And unlike safety recalls where the government can't force all the owners to get their cars fixed, in this case they can. If your GM car still as a faulty ignition switch, it's not illegal to keep driving it. The diesel VWs on the other hand break emissions laws. The government can refuse to register/reregister them until they're made legal again.

But it's a moot point. Unlike replacing an ignition switch, this is just a software update. It's cheap an simple to do; no parts needed. Everyone will get their performance/mileage downgrade when they bring their car in for repair or periodic maintenance, whether they like it or not.

And once the outrage dies down there will be little political motivation to actually compel owners to recall their cars. People are correct in saying that when they are serviced they will probably have the software upgrade applied as well but there will probably be ways around that. Keep in mind in Manitoba, MPI which registers vehicles, has no emissions mandate and would have to work with VW to ban owners from registering their vehicles. This would be a logistical nightmare here and probably in most provinces and states.
Furthermore any owner who has this upgrade applied would be smart to apply the compensation VW gave them to pay a tech to change back their settings, as it is just a matter of reprogramming the software anyway. Not legal but it is done all the time by diesel truck owners.

[Riverman]

Originally Posted by buzzg

^^Yup. If you want to keep the warranty on your car active, you have to bring your car in for regular maintenance, then they by law have to update it. While some of the models the bumper-to-bumper warranties are expired, almost all still have active powertrain warranties (5 years with VW).

Very few people have their car serviced at the dealer. As long as maintenance is kept up and you can document it, that is all that is needed to satisfy the warranty.

Dealers are far more expensive that smaller shops which can do any maintenence.

[cheswick]

Sunrise food is relocating with Portage place, out of the west wing into the mall proper second level.

Also I noticed they're working on a restaurant in food court of CityPlace the location which has been empty for at least a decade (I think it used to be an Arby's). Anyway looking into the open door and to my eye the counters looked a lot like a Tim Horton's. Not sure that's possible since there's a Robin's in the mall (read on here about non-compete leases) and there is one in MTS Centre across the street. But it sure looked like one.

[buzzg]

Originally Posted by cheswick

Sunrise food is relocating with Portage place, out of the west wing into the mall proper second level.

Also I noticed they're working on a restaurant in food court of CityPlace the location which has been empty for at least a decade (I think it used to be an Arby's). Anyway looking into the open door and to my eye the counters looked a lot like a Tim Horton's. Not sure that's possible since there's a Robin's in the mall (read on here about non-compete leases) and there is one in MTS Centre across the street. But it sure looked like one.

There's already a Tims in the food court, and it has its own door so I would be flabbergasted if they gave up that spot.

[cllew]

Originally Posted by buzzg

There's already a Tims in the food court, and it has its own door so I would be flabbergasted if they gave up that spot.

The Tim Horton's at MTS Center is a little different in ownership than a typical Tim Horton's. It is a licensed outlet operated by Centerplate who do all the food except Moxies at MTS center.

Over the years Centerplate has opened and closed different brand names in MTS Center that it has national rights to. Arby's has come and gone, about a week or so ago the Subway across from the Tim's has been closed and replaced with a generic named wrap outlet. Even Boston Pizza that was open for events was replaced with a different pizza outlet.

Being that it is licensed I would imagine that there is not any territory restriction like there would be for a normal Tim's Franchise.

[bomberjet]

Originally Posted by buzzg

There's already a Tims in the food court, and it has its own door so I would be flabbergasted if they gave up that spot.

There's a Tim's at cityplace?

[trebor204]

Originally Posted by bomberjet

There's a Tim's at cityplace?

Yep

https://www.google.ca/maps/@49.89274...7i13312!8i6656

[cllew]

That picture in the link above is at Portage Place @ Carlton St. There is a Robins Doughnuts in the building though on the 2nd floor of City Place right next to the skywalk link to the library.

[laumag]

My gut feel is the Seasons outlet has limited impact on Kenaston as it doesn't seem to really follow the outlet mall concept and is more a neighborhood shopping district. The Plaza at Polo Park though may have more issues as CF does not have an established history in outlet retail. My guess is they change the concept again before it goes ahead. The dark horses in this race are the Assiniboine Downs retailer development and the announced but still no location given Tanger properties. Tanger is a huge player in the outlet mall space and has not shied away from building where there is a competing property in other cities. The question is can they secure the space they need, perhaps they are even the same as the ASD group.

My gut feel is once the dust all settles Winnipeg has two proper outlet malls, Kenaston goes largely unchanged and Plaza at Polo becomes something different.

Tanger and Rio Can also announced an outlet development in Calgary. Then there was a press release that the plans were scraped for now. Tanger has three outlets in Canada at the moment and all of them are in Ontario.

It is unlikely that Winnipeg could support more than one Outlet Mall. The Outlet Collection Winnipeg design is very outlet mall like. It resembles the new Twin Cities Outlet in Eagan MN only covered. Covered is a good thing for Winnipeg's climate. I for one applaud whoever decided that it should be enclosed.

As far as the Polo Park development, it's anyone's guess as to what will eventually be built there.

[cllew]

Come to think of it there are 6 Tim Horton's right down town. And 2 more very close by RRCC in the exchange and the one on Marion at QE Way (that is the only 24 hour one in the area I am aware of).

Two of the downtown ones were former Robins locations that converted when the lease ran out. The one Broadway and the one in the Richardson Bldg.

[buzzg]

Originally Posted by bomberjet

There's a Tim's at cityplace?

Oops I was reading quickly and actually thought cheswick said Portage Place.

[bomberjet]

haha Yeah that's Portage Place. I walk through City Place on a daily basis now and have yet to see a Tim's. Thought maybe it was hidden away in some dark recess. Everyone who so desires goes to MTS Centre Tim's location. I stop at Robin's if I want a coffee.

[trebor204]

Originally Posted by buzzg

Oops I was reading quickly and actually thought cheswick said Portage Place.

I thought it was Portage Place too.

[Cyro]

Originally Posted by Roger Strong

In fairness to Volkswagen, BMW and Audi employees, they were just following orders.

Not laying any blame at the employees in question, this goes to the top of the management food chain. The purge is well underway.

[CoryB]

Cineplex announced another Rec Room, this time in Calgary. It is notable in that they have split the Rec Room piece from the movie theater side and are planning to open 10-15 of them in the coming years. A combined Rec Room and SilverCity would be a possible replacement for the KP Target. A stand alone Rec Room across the street from SilverCity Polo could also make sense however I am not sure a Target retrofit there would.