The Great Canadian Transit Thread

[bulliver]

Came across my FB feed today...side by side vid of Skytrain Expo line in the 80s and today.

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[bulliver]

Found in the related videos. A 30 minute doco from 1985 about the genesis and construction of Skytrain

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[GreaterMontréal]

468 new Azur trains, 342 to replace the old MR-63, and the other 126 to increase the capacity of the STM. So the Montréal métro will have a total of 885 vehicles by 2020.

[GreaterMontréal]

Originally Posted by Beedok

More weekend and holiday travel?

I just did a calculation, and I think the number 176,244,100 is too low. it's from 2012. in 2013 should be higher. you will probably see higher numbers . already 260 648 200 Q3

http://www.apta.com/resources/statistics/Documents/Ridership/2013-q3-ridership-APTA.pdf

So you will see higher numbers than in Toronto by the end of the year 2013 Q4.


http://www.apta.com/resources/statistics/Documents/Ridership/missdef.pdf

[caltrane74]

Toronto trains are so crowded, but usually only in the core.

In the suburbs not so crowded, so I can see Montreal transit having higher ridership since it has a bigger focus on the core. When the eglinton line is complete Toronto should take over agian until Montreal builds a new line.

[GreaterMontréal]

Originally Posted by caltrane74

Toronto trains are so crowded, but usually only in the core.

In the suburbs not so crowded, so I can see Montreal transit having higher ridership since it has a bigger focus on the core. When the eglinton line is complete Toronto should take over agian until Montreal builds a new line.

you really need the underground section.

[Innsertnamehere]

Originally Posted by GreaterMontréal

I just did a calculation, and I think the number 176,244,100 is too low. it's from 2012. in 2013 should be higher. you will probably see higher numbers . already 260 648 200 Q3

http://www.apta.com/resources/statistics/Documents/Ridership/2013-q3-ridership-APTA.pdf

So you will see higher numbers than in Toronto by the end of the year 2013 Q4.


http://www.apta.com/resources/statistics/Documents/Ridership/missdef.pdf

That is 67% growth in a single year, way too unrealistic. those numbers are for different things.

Toronto had 525 million riders for the entire TTC system in 2013, and average 1,331,000 daily 1 way trips on the subway network. transfers between different lines included in that figure.

[GreaterMontréal]

That is 67% growth in a single year, way too unrealistic. those numbers are for different things.

when you go from Blue line to Orange line, it's 2 trips.

''A person riding only one vehicle from origin to destination takes ONE unlinked passenger trip; a person who transfers to a second vehicle takes TWO unlinked passenger trips''

[Innsertnamehere]

interesting look at that document. Something is off however, it states that usage in Toronto is dropping, despite the fact that overall ridership growth was 2.1%. (525 million 2013 trips vs. 514 million 2012 trips)

[GreaterMontréal]

Q4 is not out yet, we'll have to wait till march.

[miketoronto]

Originally Posted by caltrane74

Toronto trains are so crowded, but usually only in the core.

In the suburbs not so crowded, so I can see Montreal transit having higher ridership since it has a bigger focus on the core. When the eglinton line is complete Toronto should take over agian until Montreal builds a new line.

What Toronto subway are you riding? My subway train regardless of time of day, often leaves Kennedy Station with almost all or all seats taken.

Even at 10pm at night, I can often not get a seat on the Yonge subway all the way up to York Mills Station.

Trains often leave Finch Station standing room only.

[caltrane74]

Well on a Sunday afternoon at 1pm you can get on a train in North York or Scarborough and while you might not get a spot to sit you will certainly have some personal space for yourself. However, once you cross Pape coming from the East or Eglinton coming into the core from the north you'll likely find yourself mouth to mouth or butt to crotch with other passengers.

This is what I meant by crowded in the core...

If you were coming in from the West I guess Dufferin and Bathurst are the equivalents demarkers for your entry into the core.

[SpongeG]

so that train to the toronto airport is happenning? how did i miss that lol - someone just posted something about it on facebook...

anyway - my question about it since i am totally confused and surprised its actually opening next year...

the train will be running on an existing set of train tracks? with a 3km spur of newly constructed tracks to the airport itself? is that how it will be working?

[Innsertnamehere]

It uses an existing corridor. The corridor is currently used by 3 GO lines, so they are upgrading the corridor to up to 8 tracks and getting rid of all the at grade crossings, as well as adding the two tracks for the UPX. The spur is elevated and runs to the airport. The airport station is actually almost finished already.. The corridor today is between 3 and 1 track depending on where you are on it, after the project is complete it will vary between 8 and 3. Running into union every line will have 2 tracks. (UPX, Milton, Kitchener, Barrie)

[caltrane74]

• The train will run on a shared track with GO Transit.
• The trains will run every 15 minutes and about 25 mins to get to the Airport/Union
• There will be stops at Bloor West (Dundas-West Subway) and Weston
• Dundas West subway will be connected to the link with an underground gangway
• The DMU Trains are under construction now and will be delivered this year (6 in all, 4 in service at any one time)
• The line will be seperated from freight traffic with new underpasses and flyovers at major intersections
• The trains will ride an elevated track right into Pearson Terminal 1
• The cost of the project is about $450 million dollars
• Testing of the trains and track should begin at the end of this year
• The station at Pearson looks to be closing in on completion
• The station at Union began recently in the Skydome Skywalk at 151/171 Front.

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[Innsertnamehere]

Cost once you include the Georgetown South project (which is the one paying for all the grade separations as well as the tracks for other GO lines) is roughly $1.6 billion. The project goes well beyond just the UPX though, the entire corridor is being upgraded for all day GO on the 3 lines, sound barriers put up, at grade crossings eliminated, run down bridges replaced, etc. the corridor will go from what is essentially a track running through unkept bush to a modern rail corridor serving the western end of the city. the biggest cost is grade separating the level crossing with CPs main Toronto line. It currently provides major delays as CP gets the right of way at the crossing despite the fact that they run 1km+ long trains across it dozens of times a day.

[J.OT13]

From Confederation Line website, digging from the central shaft has begun. To date, about 190 meters has been excavated;

January 22, 2014
Did you know?

IconWhat is the central shaft? During tunnel construction, three accesses are being used to bring in equipment, crews and materials, as well as to remove debris: West Portal (Jawbreaker), East Portal (Crocodile Rouge) and central shaft (Chewrocka). The central shaft is different from the portals as it is temporary and will be restored once tunnel mining is completed (scheduled for 2017).

Chewrocka’s components were lowered into and assembled inside the shaft due to the size and location of the construction site.



http://www.ottawalightrail.ca/#target2829

Roadheader at central shaft

Central shaft tunneling has begun; Chewrocka will mine going east, to dig the Parliament Station cavern and meet Crocodile Rouge underground. Approximately three metres will be mined per day and it is anticipated that 24 hour tunneling will begin by early February.

Material or debris from tunneling at the central shaft will be removed with a large gantry crane, currently being assembled onsite. The debris will then be transferred onto trucks and removed off site.

Construction of the 2.5 kilometre underground tunnel, including the three downtown stations, is scheduled to be completed in 2017.

[Innsertnamehere]

3 meters seems really slow. The Eglinton LRT is digging at something like 20 meters a day right now. Ottawas tunnel is a lot slower though so it probably doesn't matter.

Speaking of which, the Eglinton LRT is now roughly 800 meters into its first 3,600 meter drive. Construction on the Western Launch site began last week, and construction hoarding has apparently finally gone up at Yonge & Eglinton for the extraction shaft for the second Eastern drive. There are 3 drives in Total, with 4 TBMs. 2 TBMS will do the two eastern drives, the first from Keele to the Allen, and the second from the Allen to Yonge. The other 2 TBMs will do the 3rd drive, from Brentcliffe to Yonge. They are each 3.6km, 3km, and 3.2km long. The line as a whole will be 19km long, 10km of which is underground.

[J.OT13]

Originally Posted by Innsertnamehere

3 meters seems really slow. The Eglinton LRT is digging at something like 20 meters a day right now. Ottawas tunnel is a lot slower though so it probably doesn't matter.

Speaking of which, the Eglinton LRT is now roughly 800 meters into its first 3,600 meter drive. Construction on the Western Launch site began last week, and construction hoarding has apparently finally gone up at Yonge & Eglinton for the extraction shaft for the second Eastern drive. There are 3 drives in Total, with 4 TBMs. 2 TBMS will do the two eastern drives, the first from Keele to the Allen, and the second from the Allen to Yonge. The other 2 TBMs will do the 3rd drive, from Brentcliffe to Yonge. They are each 3.6km, 3km, and 3.2km long. The line as a whole will be 19km long, 10km of which is underground.

Ottawa went with a much cheaper and slower tunneling method because the speed in which the tunnel is built doesn't really matter. We need to wait until the Queensway widening is completed (adding new bus lanes by Fall 2015) before converting the Transitway, giving us plenty of time to dig out the tunnel and building the subway stations.

I'm happy to hear about Toronto's Eglinton line. It's a nice change of pace from TO's usual subway expansions to the suburbs. And although it's lrt, the 10 km underground makes it as good as any subway line. Two questions though; how long will the station platforms be and will there be any at grade intersections?

[Chadillaccc]

Half the crosstown will be at grade, on Eglington.