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Just to clarify, does this mean that Citadel plans to maintain headquarters in both New York and Miami?
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Just to clarify, does this mean that Citadel plans to maintain headquarters in both New York and Miami?
Griffin still seems intent on calling Miami the HQ, but I guarantee that the overwhelming majority of people will want to be in NY. If you’re in tech, you’d want to be in SV, not in Scottsdale, Az, although the latter is warm and nice. If you’re an actor, you’d want to be in LA, not Naples, Fl. If you’re in finance, you want to be in the Financial Capital of the World, not in Miami.

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Just to clarify, does this mean that Citadel plans to maintain headquarters in both New York and Miami?
Lots of companies have headquarters in New York, and other locations. The company uses Miami as a "headquarters" address, and that should be considered headquarters. However, headquarter locations aren't necessarily the largest offices. This tower will house the New York offices of Citadel.


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The firm is already a tenant at 350 Park and has been on the hunt to expand its footprint across New York to accommodate a growing headcount. Citadel and Citadel Securities have about 4,000 employees worldwide, with about 1,500 in New York.

Citadel recently signed a deal to expand its presence at 425 Park Avenue, a new development where it’s already the anchor tenant.

“Unfortunately, given the continued success and growth of the firm, we no longer have access to sufficient space that meets our needs at 425 Park Avenue,” Ahmed said.

For now, Citadel has agreed to lease the entire existing offices at Vornado’s 350 Park and Rudin’s 40 East 52nd, which will terminate at the start of demolition of the new tower. If the joint venture is formed, Citadel or its affiliates will sign a 15-year lease with renewal options to anchor roughly 850,000 square feet at the new development.
It wouldn't shock me if that grew to 1 msf, the way they've been expanding.

For more on the Miami project, check that thread.
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https://www.bisnow.com/new-york/news...g-staff-116794

Citadel Eyes New 1.7M SF Manhattan Tower In Deal With Vornado, Rudin
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December 12, 2022 Miriam Hall, Bisnow New York City




Hedge fund billionaire Ken Griffin is looking to make an even bigger mark on Park Avenue.

The founder of Citadel and Citadel Securities is negotiating to acquire three adjacent office properties in Midtown Manhattan with the hopes of developing a huge new office tower to house his companies' New York operations, Bloomberg reports….
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https://www.globest.com/2022/12/13/v...e-tower/?amp=1

Vornado Reaches Deal to Build $1.2B Park Avenue Tower

By Jack Rogers
December 13, 2022 at 06:59 AM

Citadel to master lease two buildings on project site, which Griffin has option to buy for $1.4B.

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A joint venture between Vornado Realty Trust and Rudin Management Co. has cut a deal with Citadel Enterprises America that will facilitate the building of a new 1.7M SF office tower on NYC’s Park Avenue.

Citadel will master lease 350 Park Ave., a 585K SF office tower owned by Vornado, and 40 E. 52nd ST., a 390K SF building owned by Rudin. According to the terms of the deal, the companies have agreed to a 10-year “as is” lease with an annual rent of $36M.


Vornado also is partnering with Rudin to acquire 39 E. 51st, an adjacent 11K SF building. The plan is to combine the three properties and build a new tower on the consolidated sites. Vornado purchased 350 Park Avenue in 2006 for $542M.

Citadel, the company that denounced the crime rate in Chicago when it moved to Miami, has an option to acquire a 60% stake in the $1.2B development that will rise on the merged properties of 350 Park Ave., 40 E. 52nd St. and 39 E. 51St. in Manhattan’s Midtown East market.


Citadel will have the right to exercise its option for a majority of the partnership from October 2024 until June 2030—and to make the decision to launch the project—with Vornado retaining a 36% share and Rudin becoming a 4% partner with a $250M preferred equity interest.

Citadel’s option includes a 15-year, 850K SF anchor lease for the Miami firm at the 1,500-foot-tall office tower designed by Fostar + Partners that is planned to replace what is known as the BlackRock building, a

Citadel also has the option to acquire the site for $1.4B, a transaction that would sever the other partners from the joint venture project.

After telling Bloomberg that he was leaving Chicago because the crime problem there is out of control, Griffin named Sterling Bay as the developer that will build a new 1000-foot headquarters tower for Citadel on a Bayfront site at 1201 Brickell Bay Drive in Miami.

Earlier this year, Citadel acquired the site and an adjacent office building for a combined total of nearly $650M.

Griffin, worth an estimated $31B—which gets you a big headline in Bloomberg whenever you want to trash Chicago in the former NYC mayor’s media outlet—now owns more than $1.3B in residential and commercial real estate in South Florida.

In September, the hedge-fund billionaire was revealed as the buyer behind the $107M purchase of a four-acre waterfront estate in Coconut Grove.
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If the owners of the Madison Av buildings knew what was good for them they'd be crawling to Vornado looking for a sale. Im not sure they're ever going to get a bigger cash out sale. I know I know Vornado has shown no public sign they are interested or find it necessary to build this trophy tower, but honestly I don't know how you wouldn't be if you were in their position. It's got to be one of the last potential full block sites in all of Midtown. It's big enough to host a twin towered project with a single base. How a prestige office developer couldn't be salivating over at least that opportunity...
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If the owners of the Madison Av buildings knew what was good for them they'd be crawling to Vornado looking for a sale. Im not sure they're ever going to get a bigger cash out sale. I know I know Vornado has shown no public sign they are interested or find it necessary to build this trophy tower, but honestly I don't know how you wouldn't be if you were in their position. It's got to be one of the last full block sites in all of Midtown. How a prestige office developer couldn't be salivating over at least that opportunity...
They may have tried, unsuccessfully. Real Estate assemblage is a long game in the city.
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The pics of this 70 story (1450ft) 350 Park Ave Tower are
really fine . . as good as it gets . . best tower on Park . .
Here’s hoping . .
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God bless you, Mr. Griffen!

I look forward to Citadel's Christmas present to NY when 350 Park starts in a few years.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/citadel...ts-11671578290
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God bless you, Mr. Griffen!

I look forward to Citadel's Christmas present to NY when 350 Park starts in a few years.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/citadel...ts-11671578290
Are you able to post the whole thing? Damn paywall.
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Are you able to post the whole thing? Damn paywall.
I only read the headline, but apparently, Citadel had a huge year! Thus, they’re well-poised to build a palace in NY.

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That's great to hear. Might explain their capital expenditures in NY and Miami. Investing for the future and skyline!

Literally building golden citadels!

The greats; Vornado, SL Green Realty, Extell, and soon to be Citadel.

A Merry Christmas to you sir!
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That's great to hear. Might explain their capital expenditures in NY and Miami. Investing for the future and skyline!

Literally building golden citadels!

The greats; Vornado, SL Green Realty, Extell, and soon to be Citadel.

A Merry Christmas to you sir!
Thanks, Chris. The future is always bright in NYC where the Greatest City in the World gets better and better!

Merry Christmas to you too, my good man!
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I would love to see the Colgate-Palmolive building redeveloped into a soaring limestone condo for the masters of Park Avenue.
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I would love to see the Colgate-Palmolive building redeveloped into a soaring limestone condo for the masters of Park Avenue.
That will happen in about 20 years. CPO recently renewed their lease for 15 or 20 years.

There are a number of buildings on this stretch of Park that are not too tall that are prime for development.
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Citadel Plots Out NYC Tower in Major Buildout After Banner Year:
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...uverify%20wall

January 9, 2023


Roughly 1350 ft they are saying. 51 office floors and 7 terraces. Following being 1.7 mil sq-ft.



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https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...uverify%20wall

New tower and no spires!

A tower like this could also be built too in Empire Station District.
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Basically the same height, minus the spires. Lookin 15 Pennish. I like it though, it fits Park Avenue.
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Yet another anti-grand design dilution.... NYC-style:


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