NEW YORK | 270 Park Ave | 1,389 FT | 57 FLOORS - Page 18

NYguy · #1 Posted **Nov 2, 2018, 4:35 PM**

I agree about 425. I'm expecting Foster to follow up with another Park Avenue showpiece for 270.

JSsocal · #2 Posted **Nov 2, 2018, 5:27 PM**

Quote:

Originally Posted by NYguy

I agree about 425. I'm expecting Foster to follow up with another Park Avenue showpiece for 270.

Hopefully - Or it could just as well be a 50 Hudson Yards (Scale is more akin to the latter). Comcast Technology center is another recent Foster Precedent - and shows he still could throw some diagrid action in the mix.

Hudson11 · #3 Posted **Nov 2, 2018, 9:03 PM**

hoping for the best, expecting a box.

https://ny.curbed.com/2018/10/31/180...-union-carbide

Quote:

In a statement, Foster said he is “delighted” to be working on the new Chase HQ. “The building design is set to respond to its historic location as well as the heritage of JP Morgan, and we look forward to working with them to realise their vision for a new global headquarters for the company,” the statement continues.

Zapatan · #4 Posted **Nov 2, 2018, 9:20 PM**

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hudson11

hoping for the best, expecting a box.

https://ny.curbed.com/2018/10/31/180...-union-carbide

Boxes can be nice though, especially if Foster designs them. A box can still be interesting looking/ have a nice facade etc.

I'm also hoping the height won't be lame, I believe they did buy air rights though?

Hudson11 · #5 Posted **Nov 2, 2018, 9:33 PM**

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zapatan

Boxes can be nice though, especially if Foster designs them. A box can still be interesting looking/ have a nice facade etc.

I'm also hoping the height won't be lame, I believe they did buy air rights though?

sure, but some folks seem to be getting their hopes up for another 1 Vanderbilt. The odds of that seem increasingly dim.

Crawford · #6 Posted **Nov 2, 2018, 9:59 PM**

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hudson11

sure, but some folks seem to be getting their hopes up for another 1 Vanderbilt. The odds of that seem increasingly dim.

This is a much bigger building than 1 Vanderbilt, a more prominent architect, and being built as a trophy HQ, not a REIT seeking to lease space. This is the world's largest/most important bank.

I would be very surprised if it isn't a more prominent tower than 1 Vanderbilt. I doubt they want a background building (which probably isn't even possible given the size; this will be one of the biggest commercial office buildings on the planet).

Hudson11 · #7 Posted **Nov 2, 2018, 10:13 PM**

Quote:

Originally Posted by Crawford

This is a much bigger building than 1 Vanderbilt, a more prominent architect, and being built as a trophy HQ, not a REIT seeking to lease space. This is the world's largest/most important bank.

I would be very surprised if it isn't a more prominent tower than 1 Vanderbilt. I doubt they want a background building (which probably isn't even possible given the size; this will be one of the biggest commercial office buildings on the planet).

They don't have enough to work with here to create a trophy, not that they have any need to flaunt in the first place. The manner in which they're going about this is enough of an attention grabber. They'll make an efficient world headquarters.
2.7M sf isn't much in the grand scheme of things, and this will sit on a MASSIVE plot by Manhattan standards. When they say they're only going to go as much as 500 feet taller, they mean it. It will be around 1200ft to its roof. Foster might concoct a cool facade, but it will likely adorn a dense, pragmatic form. IE a box.

If we're lucky he might throw in a crown to make it more interesting. Setbacks or tapering are unlikely to maximize floorspace.

NYguy · #8 Posted **Nov 3, 2018, 12:28 AM**

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hudson11

sure, but some folks seem to be getting their hopes up for another 1 Vanderbilt. The odds of that seem increasingly dim.

Nobody expects a design similar to 1 Vandy. What I"m saying is that I expect Foster to deliver a signature tower here, like he has at 425. That it will be very tall is a given. It won't be 50 Hudson Yards, a nice design - but in no way was Related going to build a signature tower right next door to it's signature tower of 30 Hudson. Those towers are the same size, but 30 is nearly 300 ft higher.

As far as boxes go, boxes are fine. 425 Park Avenue is basically a box, but one with exceptional design. They could have gone with a number of firms to design this tower. But they chose Foster, that alone making a statement. I would be shocked if we saw basically a larger version of the current building.

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-92z7BrtB9B...Avenue%2B2.jpg

Amanita · #9 Posted **Nov 3, 2018, 5:38 AM**

^Where did you find that?

antinimby · #10 Posted **Nov 3, 2018, 7:10 AM**

Ah, the dreaded ULURP, where the community (NIMBY) board gets in their 2 cents. I wonder what dumb demands will they make?

NYguy · #11 Posted **Nov 3, 2018, 1:42 PM**

Quote:

Originally Posted by Amanita

^Where did you find that?

It's in the City Planning ZAP portal.

Quote:

Originally Posted by antinimby

Ah, the dreaded ULURP, where the community (NIMBY) board gets in their 2 cents. I wonder what dumb demands will they make?

It all depends on the details. Hopefully we'll get an idea, and it's timed nicely with announcement of architect. We could be looking at renders soon.

patriotizzy · #12 Posted **Nov 5, 2018, 5:07 PM**

Excitement for the proposal is mounting by the day. Even if the new building isn't groundbreaking, I'm sure anything will be an improvement over these soulless modernism boxes. They are way past their expiration date.

NYguy · #13 Posted **Nov 6, 2018, 6:18 AM**

Quote:

Originally Posted by patriotizzy

Excitement for the proposal is mounting by the day. Even if the new building isn't groundbreaking, I'm sure anything will be an improvement over these soulless modernism boxes. They are way past their expiration date.

I think once the new 270 is built, or under construction, there will be more consideration to what can be done with some of those other towers. Chase has changed the game here.

Amanita · #14 Posted **Nov 7, 2018, 4:35 AM**

I remember sitting on the front steps of 277 Park and feeling vibration under my feet, like what I'd get on a subway platform. I've seen photos of that building starting to take shape- train tracks run under that one too.

NYguy · #15 Posted **Nov 8, 2018, 1:05 AM**

Quote:

Originally Posted by Amanita

I remember sitting on the front steps of 277 Park and feeling vibration under my feet, like what I'd get on a subway platform. I've seen photos of that building starting to take shape-
train tracks run under that one too.

Here's the view of the rails when that building was under construction. We should get something similar with 270.

Quote:

Originally Posted by NYguy

277 Park

Mike Robbins

Meanwhile, it looks like they're getting closer to certification to begin the ULURP process...

NYguy · #16 Posted **Nov 9, 2018, 2:01 PM**

I would like to see all of the proposals...

https://www.bdonline.co.uk/news/fost...096413.article

Foster & Partners to replace SOM Manhattan tower

By Dave Rogers
November 2018

Quote:

Foster & Partners has won a competition to design a new headquarters building in New York for US investment bank JP Morgan Chase.

The 70-storey tower will replace a 52-storey Miesian-influenced tower designed by SOM in the 1960s just a few blocks from Mies’ Seagram Building on Park Avenue.

Skyguy_7 · #17 Posted **Nov 9, 2018, 2:38 PM**

^ If you wouldn't mind getting me up to speed- Is this the first confirmation we have that the design will be by Foster?

If so, I think that's worth celebrating!

NYguy · #18 Posted **Nov 9, 2018, 2:56 PM**

Quote:

Originally Posted by Skyguy_7

^ If you wouldn't mind getting me up to speed- Is this the first confirmation we have that the design will be by Foster?

If so, I think that's worth celebrating!

No, we've been talking about it. But I've been thinking about the design process and competion. Not much has been said of that.

Busy Bee · #19 Posted **Nov 11, 2018, 3:52 AM**

Holy Effing Hell. Please be 1,566ft

Zapatan · #20 Posted **Nov 11, 2018, 4:13 AM**

Holy sh*t