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Old Posted Jun 21, 2023, 3:51 AM
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When did this thread become a pissing contest?....

...oh wait,......

It's a compilation and listing of tallest towers in the different municipalities.

Different kind of dick measuring contest.

Got it.
As you were.


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Old Posted Jun 22, 2023, 6:15 PM
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I dunno why people care about population counts and increases. This is SkyscraperPage afterall, we should be most concerned about towers and that growth number. To me all the metro centers are doing fairly well in recent years focusing on densification in their main core areas, and Vancouver doesn't have to prove anything.

If you want to bring in statistics, long term projections of population growth across the region for the past 50 years shows that only Surrey will likely meet and surpass Vancouver in population over our lifetimes (and likely our childrens') unless something crazy happens. But that increase has NOTHING to do with towers being build in Surrey Central/Whalley and 99.9% everything to do with thousands and thousands of townhomes and SFD/Row homes being built through the massive swath of land that comprises Surrey.

On the tower front, I'm having trouble finding updated statistics but doesn't Vancouver itself have something like nearly 1000 high-rises compared to second place Burnaby which is more like 230 or so? I mean people talk about density and "Whalley" maybe catching Vancouver but Surrey as a whole only has something like 40 towers complete.

There'd need to be another 960+ towers built in Surrey to catch up to Vancouver and 770+ in Burnaby. Long ways to go.

Yes suburbs are getting the height but that is by choice on the part of Vancouver's longstanding policies in that regard. I guarantee you if Vancouver as a city wanted to ease off on height restrictions ever, they'd take the crown back with ease. To me the one thing that taller towers in the other suburbs signal is increased health and demand outside the Vancouver core which is good for the region because it means we're continuing the trend of residents in each city having more options to live, work, and play in their own city of residence and not need to needlessly commute hours for work and entertainment. Should celebrate that fact and hope for more. Of course people like having a crown (worn really by Burnaby this past decade) for height, but we should also keep it fun.

Just for some perspective though, Toronto has about as many towers built as the next 5 top cities in line combined in Canada and I think it like second to only New York in the world. We're talking just towers not "sky scrapers", that I think goes to Hong Kong with 550 or so +150m sky scrapers so basically Hong Kong has 2 times the amount of >150m sky scrapers than Burnaby has high-rises period.

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Downtown Van: 18,837 people per square km
Metrotown: 7,907 people per square km

Not even close. And seeing as Burnaby is running out of walkups, warehouses and car dealerships (and is too scared to touch the SFHs), and its residents are getting sick of tall buildings, we can expect them to start slowing down in a decade and tiptoeing around the NIMBYs like Vancouver did. Whalley might out-densify downtown... Metrotown or Brentwood, absolutely not.
Density is so so much more than that too.

Downtown has about 26.5 million square feet of office space, Metrotown has about 2.5.

Downtown has 823 highrises constructed, Metrotown has 222

Downtown Vancouver has about 10,000 hotel rooms, Metrotown has 552...

It's just not even close.

Fun fact the Sheraton downtown has substantially more rooms than all the hotels in Metrotown combined.
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It's entirely possible that soon the urban condo populus of Burnaby will crack the political dominance of the suburban SFH populus and that will change. Let's be optimistic!
It doesn't have to be all or nothing (although sometimes it is that way for sure).

I know that in Coquitlam, some of the single family neighbourhoods have a majority of people who want the city to upzone their hood as much as possible so they can cash out. See this article for example:

https://www.tricitynews.com/local-ne...tments-5231923

"On Monday (April 4), Silvano Padovan asked council-in-committee to change the land-use designation for the northeast sector of Whiting–Appian from townhouses to medium density for condo units.

"We firmly believe that this pocket wasn’t designated properly," he said at the meeting.

Padovan said he and his neighbours haven’t been able to convince city staff on a higher-density approach despite the surrounding area changing rapidly with high-rises and apartment blocks.

He claims, despite being close to SkyTrain, developers aren’t as eager to touch properties set for townhomes compared with parcels that are permitted for more growth.

Last year, Padovan and his neighbours petitioned the city; a follow-up letter was sent in February.

Made up primarily of single-family [ed: single-elderly-couple] houses, the Whiting–Appian pocket is located north of the former Coquitlam College building and within the Burquitlam–Lougheed Neighbourhood Plan."

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"At the Feb. 7 meeting, Don Luymes, Coquitlam’s general manager of planning and development, told council that city staff are assessing the "development capacity" within existing pockets to ensure a balance, but "not to have so much oversupply of land for high-density development that development activity results in destabilization of currently stable neighbourhoods," he said, "or a scattered or inefficient pattern of development."

"Staff is proposing to somewhat slow down and defer phases of planning for additional pockets beyond the three in southwest Coquitlam," Luymes said.

Meanwhile, Coun. Brent Asmundson told Padovan that council looks out for the best interests of the community and not the financial interests of land owners.

And while council will review Padovan’s request and petition, he said city staff have 236 active applications before them."


I found it amusing, sort of the bizarro world version of the usual development politics, but anyway, the point is, not all single elderly couple dwelling (SECD) neighbourhoods are created the same, so you might not need a wholesale turnover of council (although that would certainly help), you might just need enough chunks of land with enough owners who are willing to take the money and run.

I suppose if we wanted to compare how skyscrapery each municipality is, you could assign each resident one point for how many floors above ground level their front door is (living on 21st floor gets 20 points, top level of stacked townhouse gets 1 pt, etc.) and divide by the number of residents. I suspect New West or North Van (City obv.) might rival Vancouver on that measure, but I am not planning to do the math.
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Density is so so much more than that too.

Downtown has about 26.5 million square feet of office space, Metrotown has about 2.5.

Downtown has 823 highrises constructed, Metrotown has 222

Downtown Vancouver has about 10,000 hotel rooms, Metrotown has 552...

It's just not even close.

Fun fact the Sheraton downtown has substantially more rooms than all the hotels in Metrotown combined.
Those are some very good points. Though Metrorown is as dense or even more densely populated than Mt.Pleasant, which has very few hotels and office towers, yet Mt.Pleasant is way more vibrant. That mall has got to go.
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Those are some very good points. Though Metrorown is as dense or even more densely populated than Mt.Pleasant, which has very few hotels and office towers, yet Mt.Pleasant is way more vibrant. That mall has got to go.
It will.
But you or anyone else here won't be alive to see it.

Ivanhoe Cambridge's own timeline for their plan to break up the mall and institute their "Downtown" core vision is an 80-100 year schedule.

So probably best to stop fantasizing about something you're never going to be here to appreciate.
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The tallest in Canada, built and under construction, currently ranks 194th* in the world. The tallest in Canada, built and under construction, by number of storeys ranks 42nd*. Wrong country to obsess too much over the height of buildings.

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Ivanhoe Cambridge's own timeline for their plan to break up the mall and institute their "Downtown" core vision is an 80-100 year schedule.
1) There is no reason that timeline couldn't be sped up. If economic incentives align (e.g., falling mall rental rates or higher vacancies combined with skyrocketing residential rates) that timeline could easily become shorter.
2) That timeline is for a full build-out. I don't think Ivanhoe has released anything about the timing of the various phases. Even if we don't see the completion of phase 4 until 2030, the earlier phases (and Dailyhive once reported phase 1 could happen in the 2020s) would significantly improve the vibrancy of Metrotown.

The most vibrant part of Metrotown currently (ignoring the indoor malls) is Silver Drive. Adding five towers, a pedestrian-first street, and some attractive commercial spaces have made those two blocks a very attractive place to be. In the same vein, even just phase 1 of the redevelopment plan would establish a vibrant district where there is currently surface parking lots. Combined with Concord's project, almost the entirety Metrotown's surface lots from Sussex to Maywood will become a vibrant, walkable community.
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As much as I'm in favour of climate-controlled pedways, I have to agree that Metrotown's become... kind of lame, especially after Brentwood reopened. They don't even run the water features anymore.

The food court (where most of the activity is) won't be easily duplicated, but everything else is pretty replaceable.
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List is updated on the first page. Up to 66 towers!
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You can update the rendering for 1450 West Georgia to this one:

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A fun day of updates!

Three new towers added to the list.

Officially up to 69 (hehe) skyscrapers!

Vancouver
Burnaby
Surrey
New Westminster
Coquitlam
Squamish Nation


Current Position --- Name --- Height in M --- Status


1 --- Pinnacle Tower Two --- 255.3 --- Proposed
2 --- Pinnacle Tower One --- 238.5 --- Proposed
3 --- Concord Metrotown Grand Tower --- 230.1 --- U/C
4 --- Centre Block --- 225 --- Proposed
5 --- Gilmore Place Tower 2 --- 215.4 --- U/C
6 --- Citizen --- 210.8 --- Proposed
7 --- 10227 King George --- 207 --- Proposed
8 --- Brentwood Block Tower 1 --- 202 --- Proposed
NEW9 --- Willingdon & Halifax --- 198.7 --- Proposed
10 --- Living Shangri-La --- 196.9 --- Complete
11 --- Concord Metrotown T 7 --- 196 --- Proposed
12 --- Concord Metrotown T 8 --- 193 --- Proposed
13 --- Paradox Hotel --- 187.8 --- Complete
14 --- Concord Metrotown T 9 --- 187 --- Proposed
NEW15 --- 3695 North Road T1 --- 186.5 --- Proposed
16 --- Brentwood One --- 186.5 --- Completed
17 --- Brentwood Two --- 186.5 --- Completed
18 --- TriCity Central --- N3 --- 183.5 --- Proposed
19 --- TriCity Central --- N4 --- 183.4 --- Proposed
20 --- Brentwood Three --- 182 --- Completed
21 --- Whalley Station --- 182 --- Proposed
22 --- Pier West, West Tower --- 180 --- U/C
23 --- The Butterfly --- 178.6 --- U/C
24 --- 1059-1075 Nelson --- 178.5 --- Proposed
25 --- TriCity Central --- N1 --- 177 --- Proposed
26 --- 1045 Haro Street --- 177 --- Proposed
27 --- Brentwood Block 2 --- 177 --- Proposed
28 --- Highline --- 177 --- U/C
29 --- Solo District, Altus --- 175.6 --- Complete
30 --- 6450-6508 Telford Avenue --- 175.3 --- Proposed
31 --- 1040-1080 Barclay Street Tower One --- 174.5 --- Proposed
32 --- Gilmore Place Tower 1 --- 173.5 --- U/C
33 --- 1040-1080 Barclay Tower Two --- 173 --- Proposed
34 --- 6000 Mckay (SS5) --- 172 --- Complete
35 --- Senakw Tower 9 --- 171 --- Proposed
36 --- One Burrard Place --- 167.6 --- Complete
37 --- Brightside Phase 2 --- 167.6 --- Proposed
38 --- Station Square Tower Two --- 166.2 --- Completed
39 --- 601 Beach Crescent --- 166 --- Proposed
40 --- Concord Metrotown Central Tower --- 166 --- U/C
41 --- GEC Education Centre --- 165 --- Proposed
42 --- Gilmore Place Tower 5 --- 164.4 --- Proposed
43 --- Wilson 2 --- 164 --- Proposed
44 --- 3 Civic Plaza --- 164 --- Complete
45 --- 567 Clarke+Como --- 162 --- Comlete
46 --- 13425 107A Avenue --- 161.7 --- Proposed
47 --- 1133 Melville --- 161 --- Complete
48 --- Highpoint --- 161 --- U/C
49 --- 6465 Dow 'Building A' --- 160.2 --- Proposed
50 --- Senakw Tower 7 --- 158.6 --- Proposed
51 --- Lougheed Centre, T1 --- 158.5 --- U/C
52 --- Hotel Georgia --- 157.6 --- Complete
53 --- Concord Brentwood Phase 3 Tower 2 --- 157.5 --- Proposed
54 --- Concord Brentwood Phase 3 Tower 5 --- 157.5 --- Proposed
55 --- 1445 W. Georgia --- 157 --- Stale
56 --- 1175 Pinetree Way - Tower A --- 156.7 --- proposed
57 --- The Sovereign --- 155.8 --- Complete
58 --- Brightside Phase 3 --- 155.1 --- Proposed
59 --- Heart of Burquitlam: Myriad --- 154.6 --- U/C
60 --- 1157 Burrard --- 154.4 --- Proposed
61 --- Oakridge Tower 5 --- 154 --- Proposed
62 --- Senakw Tower 10 --- 153.8 --- Proposed
NEW63 --- 3695 North Road T2 --- 153.6 --- Proposed
64 --- T3 - Etoile Gold --- 153.1 --- Proposed
65 --- Triomphe Residences --- 152.4 --- Complete
66 --- 1450 West Georgia --- 151.6 --- Proposed
67 --- Vancouver House --- 151.5 --- Complete
68 --- Gilmore Place Tower 6 --- 150.3 --- Proposed
69 --- Smith & Farrow North Tower --- 150.2 --- U/C




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I'm still in awe of how much Burnaby dominates this list. I would not be shocked at all if Burnaby has a 300m skyscraper proposed before the end of this decade at the rate it's growing.
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And another update! Two more towers added to the list, officially up to 71 towers!

Vancouver
Burnaby
Surrey
New Westminster
Coquitlam
Squamish Nation


Current Position --- Name --- Height in M --- Status


1 --- Pinnacle Tower Two --- 255.3 --- Proposed
2 --- Pinnacle Tower One --- 238.5 --- Proposed
3 --- Concord Metrotown Grand Tower --- 230.1 --- U/C
4 --- Centre Block --- 225 --- Proposed
5 --- Gilmore Place Tower 2 --- 215.4 --- U/C
6 --- Citizen --- 210.8 --- Proposed
7 --- 10227 King George --- 207 --- Proposed
8 --- Brentwood Block Tower 1 --- 202 --- Proposed
9 --- Willingdon & Halifax --- 198.7 --- Proposed
10 --- Living Shangri-La --- 196.9 --- Complete
11 --- Concord Metrotown T 7 --- 196 --- Proposed
12 --- Concord Metrotown T 8 --- 193 --- Proposed
NEW --- 13 --- Amacon Rosser Ave --- 191 --- Proposed
14 --- Paradox Hotel --- 187.8 --- Complete
15 --- Concord Metrotown T 9 --- 187 --- Proposed
16 --- 3695 North Road T1 --- 186.5 --- Proposed
17 --- Brentwood One --- 186.5 --- Completed
18 --- Brentwood Two --- 186.5 --- Completed
19 --- TriCity Central --- N3 --- 183.5 --- Proposed
20 --- TriCity Central --- N4 --- 183.4 --- Proposed
21 --- Brentwood Three --- 182 --- Completed
22 --- Whalley Station --- 182 --- Proposed
NEW --- 23 --- Brentwood 8 --- 181 --- Proposed
24 --- Pier West, West Tower --- 180 --- U/C
25 --- The Butterfly --- 178.6 --- U/C
26 --- 1059-1075 Nelson --- 178.5 --- Proposed
27 --- TriCity Central --- N1 --- 177 --- Proposed
28 --- 1045 Haro Street --- 177 --- Proposed
29 --- Brentwood Block 2 --- 177 --- Proposed
30 --- Highline --- 177 --- U/C
31 --- Solo District, Altus --- 175.6 --- Complete
32 --- 6450-6508 Telford Avenue --- 175.3 --- Proposed
33 --- 1040-1080 Barclay Street Tower One --- 174.5 --- Proposed
34 --- Gilmore Place Tower 1 --- 173.5 --- U/C
35 --- 1040-1080 Barclay Tower Two --- 173 --- Proposed
36 --- 6000 Mckay (SS5) --- 172 --- Complete
37 --- Senakw Tower 9 --- 171 --- Proposed
38 --- One Burrard Place --- 167.6 --- Complete
39 --- Brightside Phase 2 --- 167.6 --- Proposed
40 --- Station Square Tower Two --- 166.2 --- Completed
41 --- 601 Beach Crescent --- 166 --- Proposed
42 --- Concord Metrotown Central Tower --- 166 --- U/C
43 --- GEC Education Centre --- 165 --- Proposed
44 --- Gilmore Place Tower 5 --- 164.4 --- Proposed
45 --- Wilson 2 --- 164 --- Proposed
46 --- 3 Civic Plaza --- 164 --- Complete
47 --- 567 Clarke+Como --- 162 --- Comlete
48 --- 13425 107A Avenue --- 161.7 --- Proposed
49 --- 1133 Melville --- 161 --- Complete
50 --- Highpoint --- 161 --- U/C
51 --- 6465 Dow 'Building A' --- 160.2 --- Proposed
52 --- Senakw Tower 7 --- 158.6 --- Proposed
53 --- Lougheed Centre, T1 --- 158.5 --- U/C
54 --- Hotel Georgia --- 157.6 --- Complete
55 --- Concord Brentwood Phase 3 Tower 2 --- 157.5 --- Proposed
56 --- Concord Brentwood Phase 3 Tower 5 --- 157.5 --- Proposed
57 --- 1445 W. Georgia --- 157 --- Stale
58 --- 1175 Pinetree Way - Tower A --- 156.7 --- proposed
59 --- The Sovereign --- 155.8 --- Complete
60 --- Brightside Phase 3 --- 155.1 --- Proposed
61 --- Heart of Burquitlam: Myriad --- 154.6 --- U/C
62 --- 1157 Burrard --- 154.4 --- Proposed
63 --- Oakridge Tower 5 --- 154 --- Proposed
64 --- Senakw Tower 10 --- 153.8 --- Proposed
65 --- 3695 North Road T2 --- 153.6 --- Proposed
66 --- T3 - Etoile Gold --- 153.1 --- Proposed
67 --- Triomphe Residences --- 152.4 --- Complete
68 --- 1450 West Georgia --- 151.6 --- Proposed
69 --- Vancouver House --- 151.5 --- Complete
70 --- Gilmore Place Tower 6 --- 150.3 --- Proposed
71 --- Smith & Farrow North Tower --- 150.2 --- U/C


Fun Stats:

All official top 71 towers in Metro-Van are after 2000. So we have indeed grown quite a bit in recent years.
Burnaby 35, Vancouver 16, Coquitlam 8, Surrey 8, Squamish Nation 3, New Westminster 1
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My god, another catch up huge update... 76 towers! 11 towers over 200m!

Vancouver
Burnaby
Surrey
New Westminster
Coquitlam
Squamish Nation


Current Position --- Name --- Height in M --- Status


1 --- Pinnacle Tower Two --- 255.3 --- Proposed
2 --- Pinnacle Tower One --- 238.5 --- Proposed
3 --- Concord Metrotown Grand Tower --- 230.1 --- U/C
4 --- Centre Block --- 225 --- Proposed
5 --- Gilmore Place Tower 2 --- 215.4 --- U/C
--- NEW --- 6 --- Oviedo Towers C --- 214.6 --- Proposed
7 --- Citizen --- 210.8 --- Proposed
8 --- 10227 King George --- 207 --- Proposed
9 --- Brentwood Block Tower 1 --- 202 --- Proposed
--- NEW --- 10 --- Oviedo Towers D --- 201.8 --- Proposed
--- NEW --- 11 --- 4141 Lougheed Tower A --- 201.8 --- Proposed
12 --- Willingdon & Halifax --- 198.7 --- Proposed
13 --- Living Shangri-La --- 196.9 --- Complete
14 --- Concord Metrotown T 7 --- 196 --- Proposed
15 --- Concord Metrotown T 8 --- 193 --- Proposed
16 --- Amacon Rosser Ave --- 191 --- Proposed
17 --- Paradox Hotel --- 187.8 --- Complete
18 --- Concord Metrotown T 9 --- 187 --- Proposed
19 --- 3695 North Road T1 --- 186.5 --- Proposed
20 --- Brentwood One --- 186.5 --- Completed
21 --- Brentwood Two --- 186.5 --- Completed
--- NEW --- 22 --- Oviedo Towers A --- 183.5 --- Proposed
23 --- TriCity Central --- N3 --- 183.5 --- Proposed
24 --- TriCity Central --- N4 --- 183.4 --- Proposed
25 --- Brentwood Three --- 182 --- Completed
26 --- Whalley Station --- 182 --- Proposed
27 --- Brentwood 8 --- 181 --- Proposed
28 --- Pier West, West Tower --- 180 --- U/C
29 --- The Butterfly --- 178.6 --- U/C
30 --- 1059-1075 Nelson --- 178.5 --- Proposed
--- NEW --- 31 --- 4141 Lougheed Tower B --- 177.4 --- Proposed
32 --- TriCity Central --- N1 --- 177 --- Proposed
33 --- 1045 Haro Street --- 177 --- Proposed
34 --- Brentwood Block 2 --- 177 --- Proposed
35 --- Highline --- 177 --- U/C
36 --- Solo District, Altus --- 175.6 --- Complete
37 --- 6450-6508 Telford Avenue --- 175.3 --- Proposed
38 --- 1040-1080 Barclay Street Tower One --- 174.5 --- Proposed
39 --- Gilmore Place Tower 1 --- 173.5 --- U/C
40 --- 1040-1080 Barclay Tower Two --- 173 --- Proposed
41 --- 6000 Mckay (SS5) --- 172 --- Complete
42 --- Senakw Tower 9 --- 171 --- Proposed
43 --- One Burrard Place --- 167.6 --- Complete
44 --- Brightside Phase 2 --- 167.6 --- Proposed
45 --- Station Square Tower Two --- 166.2 --- Completed
46 --- 601 Beach Crescent --- 166 --- Proposed
47 --- Concord Metrotown Central Tower --- 166 --- U/C
48 --- GEC Education Centre --- 165 --- Proposed
49 --- Gilmore Place Tower 5 --- 164.4 --- Proposed
50 --- Wilson 2 --- 164 --- Proposed
51 --- 3 Civic Plaza --- 164 --- Complete
52 --- 567 Clarke+Como --- 162 --- Comlete
53 --- 13425 107A Avenue --- 161.7 --- Proposed
54 --- 1133 Melville --- 161 --- Complete
55 --- Highpoint --- 161 --- U/C
56 --- 6465 Dow 'Building A' --- 160.2 --- Proposed
57 --- Senakw Tower 7 --- 158.6 --- Proposed
58 --- Lougheed Centre, T1 --- 158.5 --- U/C
59 --- Hotel Georgia --- 157.6 --- Complete
60 --- Concord Brentwood Phase 3 Tower 2 --- 157.5 --- Proposed
61 --- Concord Brentwood Phase 3 Tower 5 --- 157.5 --- Proposed
62 --- 1445 W. Georgia --- 157 --- Stale
63 --- 1175 Pinetree Way - Tower A --- 156.7 --- proposed
64 --- The Sovereign --- 155.8 --- Complete
65 --- Brightside Phase 3 --- 155.1 --- Proposed
66 --- Heart of Burquitlam: Myriad --- 154.6 --- U/C
67 --- 1157 Burrard --- 154.4 --- Proposed
68 --- Oakridge Tower 5 --- 154 --- Proposed
69 --- Senakw Tower 10 --- 153.8 --- Proposed
70 --- 3695 North Road T2 --- 153.6 --- Proposed
71 --- T3 - Etoile Gold --- 153.1 --- Proposed
72 --- Triomphe Residences --- 152.4 --- Complete
73 --- 1450 West Georgia --- 151.6 --- Proposed
74 --- Vancouver House --- 151.5 --- Complete
75 --- Gilmore Place Tower 6 --- 150.3 --- Proposed
76 --- Smith & Farrow North Tower --- 150.2 --- U/C
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