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Old Posted Jul 6, 2023, 6:14 PM
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>But Leiper also pointed out a potential challenge to boosting housing builds that's not covered by the application: a loss in development charges.

What does Leiper have against affordable housing not being charged 10's of thousands of fees? Last I do l checked he wanted affordable housing.

Either way, the answer to where those funds will come from is taxes. Which Is exactly where Shane housing should be subsidized from not his ridiculous IZ plans.
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This twitter thread hits the nail on the head

https://twitter.com/Toon_Dreessen/st...16079835914242

Normally I find that a little bit of Toon 'champagne socialist' Dreesen goes a long way but this is spot on. The system is broken and those at City Hall are either unaware or don't care or are just individually little cogs in a huge wheel that has spun out of control.

This venting about the City process will probably fall on deaf ears and for someone who aspires to be doing work for the City so much but then complains about their operational methods so much, I'm sure posts like this don't help him at all.
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Normally I find that a little bit of Toon 'champagne socialist' Dreesen goes a long way but this is spot on. The system is broken and those at City Hall are either unaware or don't care or are just individually little cogs in a huge wheel that has spun out of control.

This venting about the City process will probably fall on deaf ears and for someone who aspires to be doing work for the City so much but then complains about their operational methods so much, I'm sure posts like this don't help him at all.
Seems I've been reading a lot recently about how planning experts are sick of participatory democracy. My favourite is this tweet: https://twitter.com/alexbozikovic/st...46792903409664

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Seems I've been reading a lot recently about how planning experts are sick of participatory democracy. My favourite is this tweet: https://twitter.com/alexbozikovic/st...46792903409664
But we live in a social media-dominated culture, where expertise counts for very little and everybody's opionion is equal. Can't see that changing anytime soon.
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It shouldn't be an all or nothing proposition. Consultation window should be smaller, and City staff should be able to filter out/block out any noise from people who are obviously NIMBYs (those who oppose any and all developments, ask the same questions over and over about things that have been answered numerous times, decry traffic apocalypse or apocalyptic shadows from a single tower, overt racism or classism) and listen only to those with legitimate concerns.
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Reminds me a lot of the surrounding developments around Navan Road. Local Councillors complain that Navan Road can't handle new density because there are no sidewalks, the bus routes are infrequent and, most of all, blame the NCC for the Brian Coburn extension fiasco.

Well, DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT. Debate about Brian Coburn all you want, but Council has the power to build sidewalks and bike lanes, along with increasing transit frequency in the $30 million dollar empty parking lot they call a park and ride.

Sam here. Vanier Road needs widening, than widen it and stop questioning the tramway so the Feds and Province can fund the next step.

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La densité avant le tramway ou le tramway avant la densité?

Par Mathieu Bélanger, Le Droit
6 juillet 2023



Esquisse du projet au 502, chemin Vanier du Groupe Kevlar. L'immeuble de dix étages doit comprendre 420 logements. (Simon Séguin-Bertrand/Le Droit)

Là est la question dans l’ouest de Gatineau. Et le conseil municipal en a débattu longuement, mardi, avant de statuer, à la majorité, que dans le cas du chemin Vanier, à Aylmer, la densité devra maintenant attendre les infrastructures capables de la soutenir.

Le promoteur immobilier Kevlar, qui construit actuellement le Bloome, sur le boulevard Saint-Joseph, s’est, un peu malgré lui, retrouvé au centre de ce débat qui provoque un clivage de plus en plus apparent depuis le début du présent mandat à la table du conseil municipal.

D’un côté, il y a la mairesse de Gatineau, France Bélisle, le président du comité exécutif, Daniel Champagne, et le président du Comité consultatif d’urbanisme (CCU), Mario Aubé, qui estiment mal venu de ralentir la construction résidentielle en pleine crise du logement, surtout aux abords du tracé du tramway où la densité deviendra un argument de plus en faveur de son aménagement. Le président de la Société de transport de l’Outaouais (STO) Jocelyn Blondin, ainsi que les conseillers Denis Girouard et Jean Lessard adhèrent à la même vision.

À l’autre bout de la table du conseil, il y a les huit élus d’Action Gatineau qui militent pour un ralentissement du développement dans l’ouest, le temps que la Ville se dote des infrastructures de transport et communautaires suffisantes pour faire face à la croissance démographique. Les études de circulation confirment depuis des années que l’artère est surchargée, surtout à l’approche du centre commercial Destination Vanier et de l’intersection avec le boulevard des Allumettières.

Le développement est à ce point rapide dans le secteur que le conseil, sous l’impulsion d’Action Gatineau, a récemment adopté un règlement de contrôle intérimaire lui permettant d’empêcher tout développement sur une bande de quelques dizaines de mètres le long du chemin Vanier afin de sécuriser l’emprise pour un élargissement éventuel.

Mardi soir, cinq élus indépendants se sont joints au caucus d’Action Gatineau pour bloquer la construction de plus de 400 logements supplémentaires. Une pétition de plus de 1200 noms qui a fait grand bruit dans le secteur Aylmer le réclamait vivement. Même le comité exécutif est sorti divisé du débat. Deux de ses membres, Gilles Chagnon et Marc Bureau s’y sont opposés. Les conseillers Mike Duggan, Steven Boivin et Edmond Leclerc ont complété l’opposition majoritaire au projet.

Se sortir la tête du sable

«Je suis content que mes confrères comprennent qu’il faut que les infrastructures soient là avant d’ajouter de la densité», a indiqué M. Chagnon. L’ex-maire Marc Bureau a précisé qu’il aurait normalement été en faveur d’un tel projet, mais que les arguments énoncés par le service de l’urbanisme et le Comité consultatif d’urbanisme (CCU) l’ont incité à la prudence.

La conseillère d’Action Gatineau Caroline Murray, qui a mené la charge pour son parti dans ce dossier, a rapidement voulu évacuer l’argument qu’il faut construire rapidement plus de portes pour mettre fin à la crise du logement. Encore faut-il savoir de quel type de porte dont il est question, a-t-elle insisté.

Le projet du groupe Kevlar comptera au total 572 chambres pour un total de 420 logements, selon les documents techniques déposés au service de l’urbanisme. Le promoteur prévoit des unités de deux et trois chambres, mais l’immeuble abritera surtout des logements d’une chambre. Un stationnement souterrain de 485 places est aussi planifié par le promoteur.

«Il manque de logements abordables, pas de logements en général, a soutenu Mme Murray, citant au passage la récente étude l’IRIS sur le sujet. Gatineau a enregistré, l’an passé, la plus haute hausse du loyer moyen, et c’est largement supérieur à Montréal et Québec. J’aimerais qu’on se sorte la tête du sable et qu’on comprenne que ce n’est pas en autorisant toutes les constructions qu’on va régler la crise du logement. Les chercheurs le prouvent, ce n’est pas la solution.»

Allant à contresens de la décision du CCU qu’il préside, Mario Aubé a plutôt fait un plaidoyer en faveur du projet du Groupe Kevlar, qui répond, selon lui, au besoin de densification dans le secteur et qui respecte en tout point la planification inscrite par la Ville dans son schéma d’aménagement. «Il y a une problématique pour la circulation, on l’entend, la Ville doit régler le problème, mais ça ne doit pas se faire au détriment du propriétaire du terrain qui travaille depuis deux ans sur son projet et qui fait exactement ce qui lui est demandé, a-t-il pesté. Nous, on va lui dire: vous avez ce terrain, vous faites ce qu’il faut avec, mais vous allez devoir dormir dessus pendant deux, cinq, dix ou quinze ans? Non. Moi j’appuie le projet du promoteur parce qu’il fait ce qu’on lui a demandé.»

Principe philosophique ou vraies personnes?

Le chef d’Action Gatineau, Steve Moran, a rétorqué que «dans la vie, on ne peut pas avoir tout ce qu’on veut, même si on le souhaite et même si on pense que c’est mérité». Acheter un terrain ne vient pas avec le droit de faire de l’argent avec, a-t-il rappelé. «C’est toujours un risque, et la réalité dans ce cas-ci c’est que ce n’est pas une surprise pour le promoteur, le service de l’urbanisme a dit qu’il n’allait pas recommander le projet parce qu’on ne peut pas se le permettre en ce moment, a mentionné M. Moran. Un jour oui, on pourra, mais pas maintenant.»

Daniel Champagne a répliqué en déclarant qu’il était lui aussi amateur de «grands principes philosophiques», mais qu’en s’opposant à ce projet résidentiel juste avant de confirmer son intention de développer un projet de tramway dans l’ouest le même soir, le conseil ferait preuve d’un manque de logique. «Ce projet vient répondre à un critère essentiel pour la mise en place du tramway, c’est à dire avoir suffisamment de population à mettre dedans», a-t-il lancé.
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Well, DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT. Debate about Brian Coburn all you want, but Council has the power to build sidewalks and bike lanes, along with increasing transit frequency in the $30 million dollar empty parking lot they call a park and ride.
The passivity of elected officials these days...

See also Lansdowne:

"We can't build this thing at Lansdowne, the transit sucks."

"Well, do something about the transit?"

"No."
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The passivity of elected officials these days...

See also Lansdowne:

"We can't build this thing at Lansdowne, the transit sucks."

"Well, do something about the transit?"

"No."
Easier to throw a tantrum and give up. See Hubley as transit chair complaining about crappy transit within Kanata.
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My general view of politicians is they are to concerned about being re-elected to make tough/unpopular decisions.. imagine a councilor or mayor actually saying that on-street parking on Bank street must go and actually following through on that.
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Property severance backlog costing time and money, applicants say
Staffing crunch means final sign-off, which used to take weeks, is now taking years

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Posted: Jan 26, 2024 9:55 AM EST | Last Updated: 6 hours ago


A serious backlog of property severance applications at Ottawa city hall has some landowners waiting in limbo, and they say the holdup is costing them time and money.

Lawyers representing some of those property owners say the process took just three weeks before the COVID-19 pandemic, but can now take up to two years.

They say the backlog has led to major financial losses, with some property owners missing out on potential sales and others left unable to refinance costly mortgages. Meanwhile, would-be buyers have been left scrambling for a place to live during a housing crisis.

"It's frustrating," said Tricia Schouten, a lawyer in North Gower. "Every day that's delayed it's costing the client money."

Depending on the situation, lawyers told CBC these delays can cost anywhere from tens to hundreds of thousands of dollars.

It's even led at least one person to consider selling their home at a loss.

The problem is affecting people across the city, but Rideau-Jock Coun. David Brown said it's particularly acute in rural wards with large lots where severance is common.

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https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/ottaw...-say-1.7094981
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Property severance backlog costing time and money, applicants say
Staffing crunch means final sign-off, which used to take weeks, is now taking years

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Posted: Jan 26, 2024 9:55 AM EST | Last Updated: 6 hours ago


A serious backlog of property severance applications at Ottawa city hall has some landowners waiting in limbo, and they say the holdup is costing them time and money.

Lawyers representing some of those property owners say the process took just three weeks before the COVID-19 pandemic, but can now take up to two years.

They say the backlog has led to major financial losses, with some property owners missing out on potential sales and others left unable to refinance costly mortgages. Meanwhile, would-be buyers have been left scrambling for a place to live during a housing crisis.

"It's frustrating," said Tricia Schouten, a lawyer in North Gower. "Every day that's delayed it's costing the client money."

Depending on the situation, lawyers told CBC these delays can cost anywhere from tens to hundreds of thousands of dollars.

It's even led at least one person to consider selling their home at a loss.

The problem is affecting people across the city, but Rideau-Jock Coun. David Brown said it's particularly acute in rural wards with large lots where severance is common.

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https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/ottaw...-say-1.7094981
City inertia at its finest. No acceptance that maybe they are parties to a convoluted process and to have a shortcut process for $3 K (that by the way is not officially advertised and you have to know about it) is extortion. City Legal staff working from home a lot doesn't help at all.

Standard, 'woe is me' stance by the City.
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City inertia at its finest. No acceptance that maybe they are parties to a convoluted process and to have a shortcut process for $3 K (that by the way is not officially advertised and you have to know about it) is extortion. City Legal staff working from home a lot doesn't help at all.

Standard, 'woe is me' stance by the City.
Everybody who prefers to work from home claims how much more efficient they are, and how on-line meetings are great for collaboration.
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City inertia at its finest. No acceptance that maybe they are parties to a convoluted process and to have a shortcut process for $3 K (that by the way is not officially advertised and you have to know about it) is extortion. City Legal staff working from home a lot doesn't help at all.

Standard, 'woe is me' stance by the City.
Get the gate keepers out of the way. It is only common sense. Unfortunetly we have to wait 2 more years.
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Get the gate keepers out of the way. It is only common sense. Unfortunetly we have to wait 2 more years.
Changes at the federal level will have little impact on the way that the City of Ottawa operates on a day to day basis. There are a lot of decision makers at the City in the Planning Department who have been there for a long time and have never worked outside the municipal planning bubble.
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Everybody who prefers to work from home claims how much more efficient they are, and how on-line meetings are great for collaboration.
That may be true for independent thinkers but I've found that since Covid has hit that timelines have been extended greatly and communication has got worse and worse.
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Changes at the federal level will have little impact on the way that the City of Ottawa operates on a day to day basis. There are a lot of decision makers at the City in the Planning Department who have been there for a long time and have never worked outside the municipal planning bubble.
Obviously you are not aware of the policies being proposed by the Federal opposition that are directly related to this topic and how they will affect municipalities.

Perhaps the decision makers in the planning department are making the wrong decisions or what they deemed to be the required decisions are no longer relevant.

There is an old saying in Government that these items must be reviewed or decided upon because it has always been done that way but here is the kicker; are they even looking at the right items or the right decisions anymore. It is time to review what is critical and stop getting stuck in the weeds. It seems to me that planners are stuck in the weeds and therefore are not efficient. If they are not willing to change then they can be fired.
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Municipal red tape a barrier to home renovations and upgrades: report
Simplifying and speeding up the permitting process at city hall was one of the goals in Ottawa's $150-million application for a share of the federal Housing Accelerator fund.

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Published Jan 29, 2024 • Last updated 0 minutes ago • 3 minute read


The high cost and the time it takes to get municipal permits for residential projects are contributing to Canada’s housing crisis, according to a report on city hall red tape by the Canadian Federation of Independent Business.

The report, released Monday, compared the cost of permits and the amount of paperwork required in 12 cities on a $20,000 job to convert a powder room into a full bathroom. The sample project included moving a non-load-bearing wall, installing a shower and related electrical and plumbing work.

The most expensive city, by far, was Vancouver at $2,099 for the 11 permits required. Charlottetown was the cheapest with a cost of $180 for five permits. Ottawa came in near the middle of the pack at $317 for the six permits needed. Nationwide, the average cost was $506.25, heavily skewed by the high costs in Vancouver.

The CFIB report, titled Flushing Out the Nonsense, found more than half of the small contractors it surveyed said obtaining or renewing the necessary permits was a “major challenge” for their business.

“If there are that many hurdles for a bathroom conversion, imagine trying to build a secondary suite, something the Canada Mortgage Housing Corporation (CMHC) has previously showcased as being a way for homeowners to help offset housing costs,” the report says.

“Ottawa is in a relatively good position in terms of the amount of documentation required and the cost associated with it,” said Christina Santini, director of national affairs with the Canadian Federation of Independent Business (CFIB). “We did find getting through to someone on the phone was a little complicated, but their emailed response was very prompt.”

But Ottawa could be better at saying how long it typically takes to get the necessary permits, Santini said.

“Ottawa is not very open about its processing times, which could help set expectations,” she said. “That helps with transparency. People know what they’re getting themselves into and can say, ‘OK, this is within the regular processing times,’ or ‘No, something is going wrong with this file.'”

Secondary suites, coach houses and laneway homes are all ways of intensifying neighbourhoods, which is essential for addressing the housing shortage, the report says.

“One of the purposes of this report was to empower individuals to look at how they can maximize the use of their property,” Santini said. “But they’re not going to do that if they face so many delays and costs.”

Simplifying and speeding up the permitting process at city hall was one of the goals in Ottawa’s $150-million application for a share of the $40-billion federal Housing Accelerator fund. Mayor Mark Sutcliffe said last week that the city had reached a deal with the federal government, but no details of the agreement or the amount of funding were released.

Sutcliffe acknowledged the city had been struggling with delays and backlogs in its legal department and was in the process of hiring additional staff to speed up the processing of applications. One homeowner told this newspaper he had been waiting more than five months for approval of a straightforward severance application on a duplex he built near Pinecrest Road. That homeowner, David Pittis, said the city told him he could take his application to an outside law firm to speed up the work, but at a cost to him of $3,000.

In its report, the CFIB recommends that cities review their permitting and approval processes, lower the costs of permits, improve access to the information needed and establish service standards for the city to do the paperwork.

It also recommends the federal and provincial governments tie their funding to the efficiency of municipalities’ permitting processes.

Here is the full list of the number of permits required and the cost for a bathroom conversion in all 12 cities surveyed by the CFIB:
  • Vancouver 11 permits, $2,099
  • Edmonton 5 permits, $673
  • St. John’s 6 permits, $579
  • Calgary 5 permits, $439
  • Winnipeg 7 permits, $380
  • Montreal 7 permits, $353
  • Saskatoon 6 permits, $327
  • Ottawa 6 permits, $317
  • Toronto 10 permits, $296
  • Halifax 6 permits, $272
  • Moncton 7 permits, $230
  • Charlottetown 5 permits, $180

https://ottawacitizen.com/news/local...pgrades-report
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I'd say this is a planning issue:

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Here's another big box development open for comments in the "community core" of Riverside South.

A "town centre" with "higher residential densities" in a "mixed use" "pedestrian-oriented centre within a high quality public realm".

599 parking spaces...

https://devapps.ottawa.ca/en/applica...2-0169/details



This car-oriented development will be just 200m away from the new Limebank LRT station.




They admit in the application that it doesn't comply with the prohibitions against car-oriented development in this area, or the minimum heights around LRT stations, but they think it should be approved anyway - and the city likely will approve it.



There's a second big box development already approved right next to the LRT station with another 757 parking spaces.

Why do we even bother investing in transit to the suburbs when we completely waste the land around the stations?





I got a response from the city planner for this area. This city is a joke.

It's been more than 5 years since the LRT was announced to go here. This site is still just a big empty field. How have they not updated the zoning from 2011?


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Honestly both those lots are so stupid. It is such a wasted opportunity.
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As I said earlier, no sidewalk is planned on Limebank between Earl Armstrong and the transit station. Maybe they will build something as development occurs, but it is shocking that there is no sidewalk from day one when the station opens. I was there yesterday, and as it stands, you have to walk in a traffic lane in winter, not much different from in my neighbourhood, where I regularly see people walking in Bank Street traffic lanes because there is no other place for pedestrians. In situations such as this, it takes a fatality before there is city action.
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