SAN FRANCISCO | 1177 Market Street (Trinity Place) | 240 FT | 24 FLOORS

[peanut gallery]

I'm glad we have you two right there to let us know when the facade starts going on (and hopefully show us too).

[nativeguy1964]

EDIT- It looks to me like this- The south view (mission side) consists of the one bed units - two per floor taking up the whole south side as ther appears to be living bed kit and bath spaces. the wast facing the courtyard are studios although now that they have put up wall frames in the studio space it looks like there will be a kitchen living section facing the courtyard. at the east end there is a one bed unit on the northwest corner and a studio corner unit on the north east corner. the west facing studios with the strange half wall/cut out wall, which looks like a kitchen "pass through" is what doesn't match the studio plan shown previously. So far I have figured out where 70 of the 80 one beds will be 24 plus 24 on the south face and 22 on the northwest corner but what about the other 10? also I hope they put one large laundry room in the basement rather than a couple washers on each floor as Im tired of having to take my laundry up and down several floors trying to find an open machine. one big basement laundry means all the ammenities, change machines, etc can be in one destination. no more searching.

[nativeguy1964]

I invite you all to real my brilliant posts on the high speed rail blog too... LOL ok but they are informative- .... http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/showthread.php?t=124572&page=65

[BTinSF]

Photo by OhioGuy at http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/showthread.php?t=159056

Note both Trinity (center of photo) and, to its left, the Mercy Housing projects:

[nativeguy1964]

That's a great shot! From Delores Park??? Telephoto??? very nice.

[HarshLiving]

Thats a nice shot, and it does a great job displaying the density of the City

[BTinSF]

The new just beginning to peak above the old:


Photo by Kingofthehill at http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/showthread.php?t=161821

[nativeguy1964]

They have the lower floors wrapped so you can't see what they are doing inside right now.

[nativeguy1964]

ne thing I don't get though is why they are spending, and why so many buildings are spending, so much and all the weird designs and exterior finishes. Seems to me it would be faster and cheaper and to build basic apts that are like the holiday inn building across the street. they are plain, and square, but every single unit has a balcony and there's no money wasted on flashy exterior stuff that is basically a waste of money and materials. Office buildings i get, but for apartments and even condos, wouldn't you rather have the cost go to interior finishes? Id much rather have cheaper construction and get balconies on all the units like holiday inn style. Ill bet he could have built that for waaaaay less.

[Hoodrat]

[Jibba]

It's great to see this one start to take shape; definitely one of my (if not the) favorite projects to go up in SF.

[viewguysf]

Originally Posted by nativeguy1964

ne thing I don't get though is why they are spending, and why so many buildings are spending, so much and all the weird designs and exterior finishes. Seems to me it would be faster and cheaper and to build basic apts that are like the holiday inn building across the street. they are plain, and square, but every single unit has a balcony and there's no money wasted on flashy exterior stuff that is basically a waste of money and materials. Office buildings i get, but for apartments and even condos, wouldn't you rather have the cost go to interior finishes? Id much rather have cheaper construction and get balconies on all the units like holiday inn style. Ill bet he could have built that for waaaaay less.

Gee nativeguy, I'd think that you were kidding if you didn't sound so serious. IMO, the Civic Center Holiday Inn should be bulldozed into oblivion so that we no longer have to look at that piece of architectural trash.

I think that all buildings should be designed to be as attractive as possible within their budget limits. Doesn't everyone deserve to live in uplifting and inspiring buildings and surroundings?

[BTinSF]

Originally Posted by nativeguy1964

ne thing I don't get though is why they are spending, and why so many buildings are spending, so much and all the weird designs and exterior finishes. Seems to me it would be faster and cheaper and to build basic apts that are like the holiday inn building across the street. they are plain, and square, but every single unit has a balcony and there's no money wasted on flashy exterior stuff that is basically a waste of money and materials. Office buildings i get, but for apartments and even condos, wouldn't you rather have the cost go to interior finishes? Id much rather have cheaper construction and get balconies on all the units like holiday inn style. Ill bet he could have built that for waaaaay less.

You wouldn't rather if you lived in one of the buildings. I know of several condos in town that have had to spend millions weatherizing their exteriors because the developer cut some costs there. Many buyers substantially upgrade the interior finishes themselves. In fact, the highest end units are usually sold stripped to the bare concrete because the buyers have their own interior designers. But every buyer has to depend on the building exterior and mechanical systems. You do NOT want those to be the place money was saved.

[nativeguy1964]

well with high end condos, they can do whatever they want as ill never buy one.... or maybe i would if they could build some plain ones for 150k. but apartments, a basic building like holiday inn is just fine. I just need a place to live thats affordable and if it has a balcony thats ever nicer for plants and a place for friends who smoke. Im just thinking he (the trinity guy0 could just as easliy rent out plain apts with balconies without spending so much on the exterior design... ( of course solid construction and good mechanics0 i mean ll the glass, and granite, and other extraneous hoo-hah that just seems like a waste of money. thats all. I mean everyone is complaining about lack of affordable rent in the city, so they go and build thousands of fancy apts in mission bay that no one can afford to rent. just doesn't make sense. for thoe cost of one new building with decorations, they could build 10 basic holiday inns, and not have to charge so much rent for each unit to recover the cost of granite and glass and weird engineering.

[nativeguy1964]

ohspeaking of exteriors - we got a memo today - about night time construction the contractors are going to start putting on the precast exterior panels.... so we should have some new progress to look at in the coming weeks. I have pics but no way to get them from my phone to my computer. and i don't know how to post them anyway. but if anyone is taking pics be sure to go around the block to 7th and up that alley you can get a great view from there during the day...

[nativeguy1964]

as far as eveyone "deserving" a nice uplifting place to live... I think a lot of us would just be happy with "a" place to live where the elevators work and there is heat.

[BTinSF]

Originally Posted by nativeguy1964

for thoe cost of one new building with decorations, they could build 10 basic holiday inns, and not have to charge so much rent for each unit to recover the cost of granite and glass and weird engineering.

Not to pick a fight, but that just isn't true. Most of the buildings in Mission Bay do not have particularly expensive exterior finishes. On the other hand, the city Planning Department demands a certain level of quality in design, and I'm happy about that even if I don't often agree with their taste. Attractive design does not have to be more expensive and quality can be cheaper in the long run because of lower maintenance costs. Among the less expensive types of exteriors are precast concrete and stucco, both of which you will find in quite a few SF residential buildings. I am sure that, for example, Mr. Sangiacomo understands who is going to be renting his units and isn't wasting any money. It would not be in his interest to do so and history suggests he understands his interest quite well.

[SFView]

Such a visible project built in San Francisco cannot be built unless it gets approved by all the local jurisdictions such and Planning, Civic Design, and local community groups, etc. A less attractive Trinity Plaza in a "cheaper construction" or a more "Holiday Inn style" in this, or most any other location in San Francisco would more likely fail through the often difficult design review and approval process. As many of us know, Trinity Plaza already took many years to get going as it is.

[nativeguy1964]

yeah I know. I mean not trying to argue either. I know this is a high visibility location. Three neighborhoods and countless architectural styles here... i was jut thinking aloud about how people think in sf. it's like that garden they put in civic center. Which crowd does that cater too and what good does it do? how about the push for green everything. Good idea, but at the same time, how bout just focusing on scrubbing the filrth off the sidewalks. As for real estate, I'm still old school sf. rich people belong in pacific heights. working class people belong in the neighborhoods, and industry belongs south of market. houses are victorian in nature. And most of al, our expectations were much lower and our priorities different. I just don't like the new yuppiefied gentrified new priority san francisco. it was better here in the 70s. oh well. guess i can't stop it so Ill live with it. Everything alwasy has to be so fancy and high end. This use to be a nice working class union town. Maybe those days wil come back some day. In the meantime Ill be waiting in the new trinity with the complicated exterior finishes. lol. i'll live with it.

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Originally Posted by nativeguy1964

I think a lot of us would just be happy with "a" place to live where the elevators work and there is heat.

The elevators are working again??!

I'll miss the bums smoking crack in the stairways. ::sigh::