Metro Phoenix Aviation Thread

[locolife]

Originally Posted by Obadno

We keep getting flights from Canada and Mexico as well as increasingly for Europe and soon Asia I’m certain

Plus even if they were moving fast this terminal won’t open for at least 5 years with one concourse to start I’m sure it’s enough to justify it

Yeah, it's not a ton of "real" international flights yet but 25 international destinations is nothing to scoff at. Hoping for Asia and ideally some South America destinations.

1. Calgary, Canada - YYCadd
2. Cancún, Mexico - CUNadd
3. Culiacán, Mexico - CULadd
4. Edmonton, Canada - YEGadd
5. Frankfurt, Germany - FRAadd
6. Guadalajara, Mexico - GDLadd
7. Hermosillo, Mexico - HMOadd
8. Kelowna, Canada - YLWadd
9. London-Heathrow, England - LHRadd
10. Loreto, Mexico - LTOadd
11. Manzanillo, Mexico - ZLOadd
12. Mazatlán, Mexico - MZTadd
13. Mexico City, Mexico - MEXadd
14. Monterrey, Mexico - MTYadd
15. Montreal, Canada - YULadd
16. Paris, France - CDGadd
17. Puerto Vallarta, Mexico - PVRadd
18. Regina, Canada - YQRadd
19. San José del Cabo, Mexico - SJDadd
20. Saskatoon, Canada - YXEadd
21. Tijuana, Mexico - TIJadd
22. Toronto, Canada - YYZadd
23. Vancouver, Canada - YVRadd
24. Winnipeg, Canada - YWGadd
25. Zihuatanejo/Ixtapa - ZIH

[Obadno]

With 25 flights if you look at the 20 year plan, the international terminal (which might end up being the largest and primary terminal in time. with 25 flights and probably at least 5+ more before this terminal opens. If they start with one or two concourses that's more than enough to keep it busy to start.

[BA744PHX]

Originally Posted by azliam

Mayor Kate Gallego announces a new Dutch trade office in Phoenix

https://www.azcentral.com/videos/new...e/73431000007/

I wonder if we can hope for a direct flight to Amsterdam down the road.

It would be nice for an AMS flight, however AF/KL Group would likely want their AF PHX-CDG to mature and move to near daily service before adding another route, this could be around 5 years ish I think.

[N830MH]

Originally Posted by azliam

Mayor Kate Gallego announces a new Dutch trade office in Phoenix

https://www.azcentral.com/videos/new...e/73431000007/

I wonder if we can hope for a direct flight to Amsterdam down the road.

I doubt it. I’m sure they will be announced in the future though. Let see how PHX-CDG goes. If they are doing well on PHX-CDG flights. They will be successful flights.

[locolife]

Originally Posted by BA744PHX

It would be nice for an AMS flight, however AF/KL Group would likely want their AF PHX-CDG to mature and move to near daily service before adding another route, this could be around 5 years ish I think.

AMS would be nice but I'm more interested in a new region, between Germany, the UK and France PHX is now pretty well connected into Europe via directs and you can bounce around from any of these hubs to anywhere in the continent.

I'd like to see Central or South America and a few Asia connections.

[Obadno]

Originally Posted by locolife

AMS would be nice but I'm more interested in a new region, between Germany, the UK and France PHX is now pretty well connected into Europe via directs and you can bounce around from any of these hubs to anywhere in the continent.

I'd like to see Central or South America and a few Asia connections.

A direct flight to southern Europe would be nice. Barcelona, Marseille, Rome, Athens, hell even like Belgrade? We actually have a sizable community of former Yugoslavians from the 90's

[locolife]

Originally Posted by Obadno

A direct flight to southern Europe would be nice. Barcelona, Marseille, Rome, Athens, hell even like Belgrade? We actually have a sizable community of former Yugoslavians from the 90's

Yeah, I could see that, I have multiple friends from Bosnia as well, that came here during the war in the 1990s.

[azliam]

Originally Posted by Obadno

A direct flight to southern Europe would be nice. Barcelona, Marseille, Rome, Athens, hell even like Belgrade? We actually have a sizable community of former Yugoslavians from the 90's

I'd love to see a direct flight to any one of those, although I'm partial to Athens (anything to get me closer to Mykonos). In regards to Central and South America, didn't AA once have a seasonal flight from PHX to SJO? I think a flight to PTY (Panama City, Panama) could be a good jumping off point to other cities in Central and South America.

[N830MH]

Originally Posted by azliam

I'd love to see a direct flight to any one of those, although I'm partial to Athens (anything to get me closer to Mykonos). In regards to Central and South America, didn't AA once have a seasonal flight from PHX to SJO? I think a flight to PTY (Panama City, Panama) could be a good jumping off point to other cities in Central and South America.

Unfortunately not, PHX-SJO is no longer served. That was former US Airways flew it in the past. They tried it snd it did not work out so well. Due to low passenger demand.

[BA744PHX]

Originally Posted by N830MH

Unfortunately not, PHX-SJO is no longer served. That was former US Airways flew it in the past. They tried it snd it did not work out so well. Due to low passenger demand.

Good Morning, slight correction, AA served PHX-SJO until COVID hit, and in previous years leading up to COVID the route increased from seasonal to near year round (operating 10 months of out of the year).

[TJPHXskyscraperfan]

Originally Posted by locolife

Yeah, it's not a ton of "real" international flights yet but 25 international destinations is nothing to scoff at. Hoping for Asia and ideally some South America destinations.

1. Calgary, Canada - YYCadd
2. Cancún, Mexico - CUNadd
3. Culiacán, Mexico - CULadd
4. Edmonton, Canada - YEGadd
5. Frankfurt, Germany - FRAadd
6. Guadalajara, Mexico - GDLadd
7. Hermosillo, Mexico - HMOadd
8. Kelowna, Canada - YLWadd
9. London-Heathrow, England - LHRadd
10. Loreto, Mexico - LTOadd
11. Manzanillo, Mexico - ZLOadd
12. Mazatlán, Mexico - MZTadd
13. Mexico City, Mexico - MEXadd
14. Monterrey, Mexico - MTYadd
15. Montreal, Canada - YULadd
16. Paris, France - CDGadd
17. Puerto Vallarta, Mexico - PVRadd
18. Regina, Canada - YQRadd
19. San José del Cabo, Mexico - SJDadd
20. Saskatoon, Canada - YXEadd
21. Tijuana, Mexico - TIJadd
22. Toronto, Canada - YYZadd
23. Vancouver, Canada - YVRadd
24. Winnipeg, Canada - YWGadd
25. Zihuatanejo/Ixtapa - ZIH

When did we start getting flights to Paris? Which airline?

[exit2lef]

Originally Posted by TJPHXskyscraperfan

When did we start getting flights to Paris? Which airline?

Air France. Service starts 5/23: https://www.skyharbor.com/about-phx/...-paris-flight/

[Obadno]

Originally Posted by exit2lef

Air France. Service starts 5/23: https://www.skyharbor.com/about-phx/...-paris-flight/

My wife watches a lot of reality TV and there are commercials for it constantly.

Free glass of Champagne for everyone at boarding lol they understand their audience.

[ASU Diablo]

More information on the future West terminal is scheduled for tomorrow.

https://www.phoenix.gov/cityclerk/pu...uncil-meetings

From the PDF:

Summary
The 2019 Phoenix Sky Harbor Airport Comprehensive Asset Management Plan (CAMP) anticipated the congestion and degradation of level of service in terminal facilities over the life of the plan. While the COVID-19 pandemic had a significant impact on passenger demand between 2020 and 2021, enplaned traffic recovered rapidly to near pre-pandemic levels in 2022. Sky Harbor returned to the CAMP's passenger growth trajectory in 2023 as the airport achieved its highest traffic counts on record.

In order to accommodate growth in the near-to-medium term horizon, Sky Harbor completed the last of its concourses at Terminal 4 in 2022, with the development of the final concourse at Terminal 3 currently underway. The CAMP identified the need for a future west terminal to accommodate demand beyond what terminals 3 and 4 could serve. In addition to discussing timing around the future west terminal, staff will also discuss capacity challenges with existing terminal and airfield facilities as well as plans to address these challenges over time.

https://www.phoenix.gov/cityclerksit...0-%20Final.pdf

[Obadno]

Since when was Peoria trying to build its own airport?

[N830MH]

Originally Posted by exit2lef

Air France. Service starts 5/23: https://www.skyharbor.com/about-phx/...-paris-flight/

Originally Posted by Obadno

My wife watches a lot of reality TV and there are commercials for it constantly.

Free glass of Champagne for everyone at boarding lol they understand their audience.

Sorry guys! I can't make it this time. I have a things to do. Hope you guys have a great inaugural flight. Enjoy your time!

Please posts a pictures!

[N830MH]

Here's a video:

• Video Link

PS. I can't find a information about Sky Harbor new West Terminal on video. Please help me out.

[soled]

Originally Posted by N830MH

Here's a video:

• Video Link

PS. I can't find a information about Sky Harbor new West Terminal on video. Please help me out.

Thanks for posting this.

I scrolled through the video and found that the discussion on Sky Harbor begins around 2 hours into this, and the West Terminal discussion starts around 2 hours and 16 minutes in. There's a lot of good info there.

[ASU Diablo]

Originally Posted by ASU Diablo

More information on the future West terminal is scheduled for tomorrow.

https://www.phoenix.gov/cityclerk/pu...uncil-meetings

From the PDF:


https://www.phoenix.gov/cityclerksit...0-%20Final.pdf

Tried watching it live so some of my details may be slightly incorrect (haven’t seen the YT link below yet) but construction on the West terminal would start around 2032. Also, looks like it wouldn’t be a dedicated International terminal but even more puzzling, was that they plan on keeping the International arrival area in T4 in addition to the new one in West terminal. Seems a little duplicative but hey what do I know.

[combusean]

Originally Posted by Obadno

Since when was Peoria trying to build its own airport?

I think this has been in their general plan for a while, but apparently they kicked it off in 2023... I swear I remember learning about this earlier but google is garbage these days so I'll just be an old coot on the porch for now, saying whatever comes to mind.