YVR Airport & Sea Island Developments Discussion - Page 176

Yume-sama · #**3501** Posted **Mar 27, 2011, 10:47 PM**

It was probably already posted here awhile back, but JAL has started service with a 767-300 as of today, downgrading from the 777-200... which used to be the 747-400

JAPAN AIRLINES JA651J AT YVR by Euronorb (Dave), on Flickr

On the bright side, the 767's will be the first ones to be painted in the new livery, with the retro crane logo coming back lol

whatnext · #**3502** Posted **Mar 28, 2011, 1:06 AM**

Well, sadly, is anybody really wanting to go to Japan right now? Leave maybe.

Bigtime · #**3503** Posted **Mar 28, 2011, 2:41 AM**

Is the downgrading due to demand to YVR or due to JAL's financial woes?

Johnny Aussie · #**3504** Posted **Mar 28, 2011, 2:54 AM**

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The downgrade is not just to do with JAL's woes but also Japan's woes in general. In fact, there has been and will continue to be a downward trend in travel to/from Japan. The earthquake, tsunami and the ongoing nuclear threat has just exacerbated an already grim travel outlook. Here in Australia, we have lost so much capacity to, and probably more importantly, from, Japan. JAL has pulled off Brisbane, SYD has been downgraded and even Aussie carriers have reduced capacity. There is no longer a direct link between MEL and Tokyo. Also, Delta is already reducing their capacity to their newly launched HND routes...etc...etc....etc... There have also been so many other adjustments and postponements to Japan worldwide it has been hard to keep up.

So in a nutshell, YVR is quite lucky to still have JAL gracing its skies. Even if just a daily 767-300.
Important to note: the fall schedules actually have JAL 777 returning the 777 in late October for daily YVR-NRT. However, there is definitely a wait and see with anything to do with Japan for the foreseeable future.

Yume-sama · #**3505** Posted **Mar 28, 2011, 3:23 AM**

Well, that's true. If one watched American media you'd think Tokyo, Osaka, Kyoto, etc. were all completely wiped off the map.

Probably almost none of the people who canceled were planning to go to Fukushima or Sendai...

All the sudden the media treats an earthquake in Japan like it's some sort of weird phenomenon lol - this is a country that gets several per day, we don't need to hear about each one.

Johnny Aussie · #**3506** Posted **Mar 28, 2011, 4:01 AM**

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True. However, when they reach a disaster proportion anywhere within a country, it affects the country as a whole. Take NZ, for example, as well. The cost to rebuild Christchurch will affect NZ as a whole for years. Japan's economy, as I am sure you are aware, was nowhere close to being rosy prior to this disaster. Perception is also a huge factor. Most of the significant damage was far from the major population centres in the centre and south, but the perception of the disaster was far-further reaching. Throw into that mix the possible long-term radiation problem, as small or as large as that may be and people will continue to stay away. With all the disasters we have had here in Australia, the perception is Queensland has shut down for business. So untrue, but that's the perception that needs to be fought, perhaps the media is partially to blame for that.

In the forseeable future, I don't see the 3 main components (business, tourism, VFR - visiting friends/relatives) of travel to/from Japan recovering, if not continue to decline.

Edit: just got an email from a friend of mine who is an Air Canada 330 pilot. He just did his 2nd NRT rotation since the earthquake and he was just woken up by that last significant earthquake/aftershock at his hotel in Tokyo. I agree that we would not have even heard of that last earthquake if the disastrous one had not occurred.

Valley_Refugee · #**3507** Posted **Mar 29, 2011, 3:55 AM**

Hey guys...former poster (under a different name) from years ago, been lurking for awhile...decided to get back in the game!

As per the Airline Routes blog:

China Southern has zeroed out the new Guangzhou-Vancouver route in the GDS

Looks like the service has been cancelled, or at least delayed.

vanlaw · #**3508** Posted **Mar 30, 2011, 3:48 PM**

Quote:

For Air Canada, 787 a game changer

Ottawa is being urged to watch Air Canada’s (ACA.B-T) back until the carrier’s Dreamliner fleet arrives.

The first of Air Canada’s new Boeing 787s won’t be delivered until late 2013 – leaving a two-year window during which the airline will be vulnerable to Emirates’ quest to obtain extra Canadian landing rights, said Fred Lazar, a professor at York University’s Schulich School of Business.

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But if Ottawa stays the course in denying Emirates the extra landing rights, Air Canada’s expansion plans will be poised for takeoff once the new planes arrive.

“When Air Canada finally takes delivery of the Boeing 787s,” the carrier “should be able to greatly expand its networks,” Mr. Lazar wrote in a 98-page report, noting that Toronto’s Pearson International Airport and Vancouver International Airport will be the key Canadian hubs.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/globe-investor/for-air-canada-787-a-game-changer/article1962224/

Putting the UAE's childish response, visa imposition etc. aside; I still don’t like the protectionism going on here. But fine, fair enough, if the argument is to just protect AC until they get their 787's, then give them a one year head start with that, then let Emirates have access to YYC and YVR with increased capacity to YYZ and see who comes out on top. However, I’m sure by 2013/14 there will be some other excuse

trofirhen · #**3509** Posted **Mar 30, 2011, 6:34 PM**

Quote:

Originally Posted by vanlaw

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/globe-investor/for-air-canada-787-a-game-changer/article1962224/

Putting the UAE's childish response, visa imposition etc. aside; I still don’t like the protectionism going on here. But fine, fair enough, if the argument is to just protect AC until they get their 787's, then give them a one year head start with that, then let Emirates have access to YYC and YVR with increased capacity to YYZ and see who comes out on top. However, I’m sure by 2013/14 there will be some other excuse

Agreed. Precise and reasonable.

SpongeG · #**3510** Posted **Mar 30, 2011, 7:44 PM**

YVR named best airport in North America -- again

By: ctvbc.ca
Date: Wednesday Mar. 30, 2011 11:57 AM PT

For the second year running, Vancouver International Airport has been named the best airport in North America in an international survey.

The annual World Airport Survey, performed by Skytrax, collected answers from more than 11 million questionnaires distributed to passengers around the world. Respondents rated each airport in 39 categories, including accessibility, cleanliness, friendliness of staff and shopping choices.

YVR was trailed by Cincinnati and Denver's airports in the continental awards, announced Wednesday.

Passengers also named the Fairmont Vancouver Airport as the best airport hotel on the continent, and YVR ranked second in staff service excellence.

Hong Kong International Airport won the 2011 award for airport of the year. Singapore's Changi Airport and South Korea's Incheon International Airport placed second and third. For full results, click here.

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http://www.ctvbc.ctv.ca/servlet/an/local..._110330/20110330?hub=BritishColumbiaHome

giallo · #**3511** Posted **Mar 31, 2011, 1:24 AM**

So Vancouver and HK win the top spots. This jives perfectly with my rankings as well. Both airports are my most frequently visited (besides Shanghai's Pudong airport which is such a let down I don't even want to get in to it) and both are, IMO, the best out there. I absolutely love coming back to BC and having YVR greet me. It starts my trip home on such a positive note.

teriyaki · #**3512** Posted **Mar 31, 2011, 2:13 AM**

Quote:

Originally Posted by giallo

So Vancouver and HK win the top spots. This jives perfectly with my rankings as well. Both airports are my most frequently visited (besides Shanghai's Pudong airport which is such a let down I don't even want to get in to it) and both are, IMO, the best out there. I absolutely love coming back to BC and having YVR greet me. It starts my trip home on such a positive note.

Agreed. My exact same situation as well. Coming home to that familiar waterfall and smell in that customs hall is one that I won't be taking granted anytime soon. Didn't think our airport was anything special until I ventured out to some nastier ones out there (PVG is one of these).

SpongeG · #**3513** Posted **Apr 2, 2011, 2:03 AM**

WestJet starts American ticketing

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WestJet has started implementing a ticketing partnership it launched with American Airlines earlier this month.

The agreement allows passengers to connect seamlessly as they travel on the two airlines, the carriers said in a joint news release.

Initially, American will code WestJet flights between Montreal and Winnipeg, and the Toronto to Edmonton leg.

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Read more: http://www.calgaryherald.com/WestJet+starts+American+ticketing/4526468/story.html#ixzz1IKM16Bha

Jebby · #**3514** Posted **Apr 2, 2011, 3:15 AM**

Does the JAL flight still do the Tokyo-Vancouver-Mexico City triangle? I remember always flying JAL as a kid going to Mexico.

Valley_Refugee · #**3515** Posted **Apr 2, 2011, 9:42 PM**

No, JAL hasn't been operating the YVR-MEX routing for (at least) a year now.

trofirhen · #**3516** Posted **Apr 3, 2011, 2:05 PM**

Quote:

Originally Posted by Valley_Refugee

No, JAL hasn't been operating the YVR-MEX routing for (at least) a year now.

Oh well, at one time it was the ONLY airline flying to Mexico City nonstop from YVR, the Mexicana took it, but went bust, and now, finally, our flagship airline -still with those flags on the tail, Air Canada, has stepped in and given VANCOUVER a Mexico City nonstop. (They would have re-routed it through Toronto if they could have, I bet, but at this trajectory it was just too impossible. heh heh heh)

Rusty Gull · #**3517** Posted **Apr 3, 2011, 3:16 PM**

I wonder if Air Canada will resume their YVR-KIX service, since some Canadian corporate and government offices have relocated to Osaka in the wake of the nuclear scare? I suspect that Kansai could use the extra business - and in spite of its financial woes is still a world-class airport.

Johnny Aussie · #**3518** Posted **Apr 9, 2011, 6:34 AM**

It had appeared China Southern was going to delay or cancel the CAN - YVR route. The flights slowly disappeared from GDS booking engines and scheduling tools and OAG, Amadeus schedules, etc.

Well as of today, it is now appearing on OAG and Amadeus again. More importantly, it is now bookable again on China Southern's website csair.com and also on other booking engines such as Zuji and Amadeus.

Therefore, it looks like the route is opening. I believe some of the uncertainty may have arose due to government approvals... that now appears to be a hurdle that has been overcome.

Gordon · #**3519** Posted **Apr 9, 2011, 11:46 PM**

I just tried China Southern's site right at the bottom of the Information page that pops up after you click the search button, it says i red letters that the Guangzhou Vancouver Route is subject to Government Approvals.

I wonder if our friends in Ottawa are holding things up?

trofirhen · #**3520** Posted **Apr 10, 2011, 1:13 AM**

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gordon

I just tried China Southern's site right at the bottom of the Information page that pops up after you click the search button, it says i red letters that the Guangzhou Vancouver Route is subject to Government Approvals.

I wonder if our friends in Ottawa are holding things up?

They've held other routes up; why not this one?