Salt Lake:Official development news thread

[T-Mac]

I agree with you on that Delts. Hopefully this will set a high standard that others must follow.

[delts145]

Yeah, like say maybe Gateway. I like the Gateway Project a lot. but I would like to someday be able to redevelop a couple of the buildings, as far as their exterior treatment.

[Boiseguy]

http://promo.realestate.yahoo.com/americas_most_overpriced_suburbs.html

Intersting article about cities.. had some information about salt lake city and the style of growth that has been happening.. it kind of goes along with what I've been saying about the salt lake metro area and how it is so displaced and disconnected... and I worry that boise could begin following down that path.. especially considering the start in highrises being built in meridian and nampa...



here's a blurp from the article...

When people move to an area, they often do so because of a job. That's why migration figures and job growth are invariably intertwined. As an expanding local economy lifts salaries, housing prices grow because buyers have the money to pay for better properties. Salt Lake City is a perfect example. The metro's high job-growth rate has resulted in huge in-migration and a housing market where prices grew by double-digit percentages last year.

But the richest residents often head to the market's prime suburbs, which feature perks like pretty views, bodies of water and parks that are in short supply elsewhere.

Those suburbs often begin as small residential centers, and are designed to be low density and non-commercial. But as they grow in population, they turn into economic centers of their own, acting as satellites to the principle city instead of escapes from it. When a suburb adds stores, restaurants, factories, malls, office buildings and other commerce centers, it requires a wider range of people, with a wider range of financial characteristics to keep it viable.

[delts145]

Certainly, the hundred's of thousands of people who have migrated to, or have remained along the Wasatch because of it's number 1 economy are adding to the entire metro's growth. Many of these people have chosen to live in area's like my own of Alpine/Highland. Yes, many of these people are upper income and are seeking a lifestyle that is both close to downtown and all of it's world class ammenities, yet only minutes from world class resorts. Or as has been explained to me by an endless list of mainstream transplants from the East and West Coasts, "they can get a great job here and afford a much nicer house than in their former area." I am coming from one of the world's largest metro's and have lived in other's which are as large or larger than L.A. I am appreciative of the many leaps the Wasatch Metro is making right now in areas such as transportation, and not waiting, as has been the case with places such as Los Angeles. Anyone would be very hard pressed to find a metro that is doing as much in the area of mass transit and highway expansion as the Wasatch Front, on a per capita population rate.

Frankly, as is continually pointed out by a never-ending list of reports and magazines, this area has the top honors in the nation as a leader in jobs, economic growth, lowest rates of unemployment, transportation infrastructure expansion, residential growth, commercial growth, medical services provided, higher education expansion, etc., etc. I don't know of an area/city government along the Metro that is hurting financially, and downtown or Salt Lake City proper is hardly lacking in influx of wealthy residents, commercial development, retail development, development of public spaces. City coffers from Brigham City to Downtown to Nephi, are full and overflowing and experiencing tremendous growth.

I have been very impressed with the huge build-up and beautification of neighborhoods within Salt Lake City proper, such as the Avenues, Marmalade, Millcreek,, Sugarhouse, 9th and 9th, Liberty Park, etc. Even areas such as Rose Park are seeing many upgrades, improvements, and a whole new interest and vitality. The point is, whether its Downtown, Ogden, Park City, Provo, Holladay, Lehi or Springville, there's not a city along the metro that is not expericencing record growth, and a huge influx of services provided.

As a kid I would have to travel 20 to 30 minutes to benefit from the some of the same services that I now have at my doorstep. Yet, at the same time it takes me no longer to reach downtown Salt Lake than it did 20 years ago. Soon, I will have the advantage of commuter rail within five to ten minutes from my door, whether I want to travel to Provo or Downtown Salt Lake. Soon, I will have three major, full service grocery stores within 5 minutes of my door. Whether I want medical services, drycleaners, etc. they're only a couple of minutes away,(and I might add, that includes by bicycle on designated bike lanes.) Yet, if I want to attend a concert performed by one of America's top syphonys, ballets, dance companies in unsurpassed venues, or attend an NBA game, or MLS soccer, or ski a world class resort, dine at an endless list of world class restaurants, I'm still only 15 to 30 minutes away, "just as I was when I was a kid." And again, now with the added addition of mass-transit. Soon I will be able to shop in places such as the Cottonwood, CCC,Traverse Ridge, in addition to the Gateway. The list just keeps getting bigger and bigger and more exciting each year. Of major importance is the fact, "these billions of dollars in new and exciting additions downtown and along the Metro are Real, not air castle proposals or some big empty hole in the ground." And again, it's all convenient and just minutes away. It still only takes me 35 minutes to reach one of the largest airport hubs in the country, and now connecting directly to Europe, Mexico, and Canada, and soon to be added, other direct international connections.

Disconnected, Displaced, "What a freakin joke." Obviously, this character quoted above has never lived here, but has only observed from a distance. Observing growth data, which perhaps would apply to other areas that don't have the endless list of amenitys,transportation infrastructure, and mountains in such close proximity. Certainly, the Wasatch has it's challenges just like any area that is growing so quickly. However, based on what I'm seeing right now and how far it has come, "The Wasatch will continue to meet those challenges and outpace the competition."

Speaking of competition, I think as has been wisely suggested numerous times, Boise needs to look elsewhere for it's comparisons. In this region, city's such as Colorado Springs, or Albuquerque, would be a much better gauge of comparison as to Boise's progress. Comparisons to the Wasatch Metro or Downtown Salt Lake are silly and meaningless.

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[delts145]

Rethinking Delta: Northwest-Delta merger would expand their international reach

http://www.deseretnews.com/article/1,5143,695249441,00.html


Ravell Call, Deseret Morning News,
Delta Air Lines jets at terminals at Salt Lake International Airport. A merger between Delta and Northwest would create the nation's largest airline.

Analysts say a merger between Atlanta-based Delta and Minnesota-based Northwest would mean more international flights from Atlanta, a smaller role for the Memphis airport and a bigger one for airports in Salt Lake city and possibly Minneapolis

..."It would be No. 1 to Europe. It would be very close to No. 1 to Asia. And it would be very big in Latin America, Mexico and the Caribbean.

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[delts145]

Eastern MSA - Park City Chamber/Bureau predicts healthy economy for 2008

Bureau of Economic and Business Research reports positive projections Summit County's economy this year

http://www.parkrecord.com/business/ci_8142231

...Utah's economy and job growth leads nation

Malone said he expects a rise in the volume of real estate sales in Park City. He reported that Park City's biggest year for gross real estate sales was in 2005, when Park City generated $1.835 billion in the real estate market. He expects to see an increase in real estate sales to $1.6 billion this year, compared to $1.336 billion last year.

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[delts145]

I'm anxious to see the new version of this pic, say around 2011.

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[Orlando]

This is more info on the big mega development going on at Sandy. It was published in their newspaper in December:

$560 million development project planned for Sandy by Marie Mischel

The largest single development project in the city's history would bring new office space, condos, retail, and potentially, Broadway theater to Sandy.

The 2-million-square-foot development, planned for the area south and west of City Hall at Sego Lily Drive (10000 South) and Centennial Blvd., "is a $560 million project," said Sandy Mayor Tom Dolan. "It will bring more sales tax to our city, but more importantly, it will bring more job opportunities."

THe project proposed is located in an existing redevelopment area, Dolan said.

Preliminary plans call for 800,000 square feet of residential, roughly the same amount of space for office and 400,000 square feet of retail, said Scott McQuarrie of Canyon Park Technology Center, developer of the project.

Some area of the project would be suitable for entertainment venues such as a museum or a theater large enough to attract Broadway plays, McQuarrie said.

"We are still analyzing that," he said. "The theater is a definite maybe."

Sandy is an ideal location for the entire project, which had not yet been named, McQuarrie said. In addition to the easy freeway access, "Sandy really is in the center of everything."

The project is in its preliminary stages, with the architect and engineers not yet under contract, McQuarrie said. He added that he plans to present a preliminary site plan to the city before March.

The city will undertake its normal process with the application, Dolan said. "There will be a feasibility study, a traffice study and an economic impact study to determine what the project means for the city. But it's a wonderful project. It will bring more people to the city and great new job opportunities, and it will add to our entertainment complex."


There you have it folks. Let's hope SLC beats them in the chase for the Broadway theater.

[delts145]

Originally Posted by Orlando

There you have it folks. Let's hope SLC beats them in the chase for the Broadway theater.

I think Sandy will have a theatre and that's fine. I just can't imagine that it will be of the same size and scope as Downtown Salt Lake's. i certainly can't imagine Corroon allowing county funds for it.

[SLC Projects]

I can't to see some renderings of this Mega Sandy Project. Also I think that IF Sandy builds a theatre, then Salt Lake will build one BIGGER and BETTER. So if that's the case then I see it as a win-win.

[delts145]

Comrade, you posted this a few weeks ago. Can you or anyone tell me the name of this development and where it's located?

[i-215]

Originally Posted by Boiseguy

Those suburbs often begin as small residential centers, and are designed to be low density and non-commercial. But as they grow in population, they turn into economic centers of their own, acting as satellites to the principle city instead of escapes from it. When a suburb adds stores, restaurants, factories, malls, office buildings and other commerce centers, it requires a wider range of people, with a wider range of financial characteristics to keep it viable.

That my friend is Harris and Ullman's "Multiple Nuclei" theory.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Urban_structure#Multiple_nuclei_model

I guess Harris was one of BYU's star geographers back in the day - and he and Ullman came up with this theory in like 2 hours - because it's so simple, but Geographers back in the 1945 hadn't really considered it. You're absolutely right - that's why sprawl continues in places like Los Angeles when it's no longer practical to drive into downtown L.A. everyday - it's because other cities, like Ontatio, Irvine, Riverside, and others have become new "nodes."

[delts145]

Actually 215 it's quite easy to get into downtown L.A. these days from a large area of it's surrounding metro. Getting into Downtown is one of the more practical core's to travel to.Thats because in the recent 15 years there has finally been an emphasis on different modes of mass-transit. Whether from South Bay, Orange county, West LA., or The Valley, etc. I never have a problem if I choose subway,light rail, or commuter rail getting into Downtown. During peak rush hours I would have a problem if I make a last minute decision and choose the interstate in certain directions.

The advantage that places like Salt Lake and Denver have over L.A., is that they are getting their act together much quicker on a per capita service of transport available.

I know your interested in relocating to L.A. in the near future. If you are going to be working in the downtown area, there is now a very large list of attractive village TOD's in the Metro, that will access downtown very conveniently,

[T-Mac]

Originally Posted by delts145

Comrade, you posted this a few weeks ago. Can you or anyone tell me the name of this development and where it's located?

I am not sure the name but it is located on the northwest corner of 300 W and 700 North.

[delts145]

^^^
Thanks T-Mac, Wow, this is another great looking project on that 300 west section of downtown. Before long that is going to be one of the hottest areas to live.

[Northernlad]

Originally Posted by delts145

Certainly, the hundred's of thousands of people who have migrated to, or have remained along the Wasatch because of it's number 1 economy are adding to the entire metro's growth. Many of these people have chosen to live in area's like my own of Alpine/Highland. Yes, many of these people are upper income and are seeking a lifestyle that is both close to downtown and all of it's world class ammenities, yet only minutes from world class resorts. Or as has been explained to me by an endless list of mainstream transplants from the East and West Coasts, "they can get a great job here and afford a much nicer house than in their former area." I am coming from one of the world's largest metro's and have lived in other's which are as large or larger than L.A. I am appreciative of the many leaps the Wasatch Metro is making right now in areas such as transportation, and not waiting, as has been the case with places such as Los Angeles. Anyone would be very hard pressed to find a metro that is doing as much in the area of mass transit and highway expansion as the Wasatch Front, on a per capita population rate.

Frankly, as is continually pointed out by a never-ending list of reports and magazines, this area has the top honors in the nation as a leader in jobs, economic growth, lowest rates of unemployment, transportation infrastructure expansion, residential growth, commercial growth, medical services provided, higher education expansion, etc., etc. I don't know of an area/city government along the Metro that is hurting financially, and downtown or Salt Lake City proper is hardly lacking in influx of wealthy residents, commercial development, retail development, development of public spaces. City coffers from Brigham City to Downtown to Nephi, are full and overflowing and experiencing tremendous growth.

I have been very impressed with the huge build-up and beautification of neighborhoods within Salt Lake City proper, such as the Avenues, Marmalade, Millcreek,, Sugarhouse, 9th and 9th, Liberty Park, etc. Even areas such as Rose Park are seeing many upgrades, improvements, and a whole new interest and vitality. The point is, whether its Downtown, Ogden, Park City, Provo, Holladay, Lehi or Springville, there's not a city along the metro that is not expericencing record growth, and a huge influx of services provided.

As a kid I would have to travel 20 to 30 minutes to benefit from the some of the same services that I now have at my doorstep. Yet, at the same time it takes me no longer to reach downtown Salt Lake than it did 20 years ago. Soon, I will have the advantage of commuter rail within five to ten minutes from my door, whether I want to travel to Provo or Downtown Salt Lake. Soon, I will have three major, full service grocery stores within 5 minutes of my door. Whether I want medical services, drycleaners, etc. they're only a couple of minutes away,(and I might add, that includes by bicycle on designated bike lanes.) Yet, if I want to attend a concert performed by one of America's top syphonys, ballets, dance companies in unsurpassed venues, or attend an NBA game, or MLS soccer, or ski a world class resort, dine at an endless list of world class restaurants, I'm still only 15 to 30 minutes away, "just as I was when I was a kid." And again, now with the added addition of mass-transit. Soon I will be able to shop in places such as the Cottonwood, CCC,Traverse Ridge, in addition to the Gateway. The list just keeps getting bigger and bigger and more exciting each year. Of major importance is the fact, "these billions of dollars in new and exciting additions downtown and along the Metro are Real, not air castle proposals or some big empty hole in the ground." And again, it's all convenient and just minutes away. It still only takes me 35 minutes to reach one of the largest airport hubs in the country, and now connecting directly to Europe, Mexico, and Canada, and soon to be added, other direct international connections.

Disconnected, Displaced, "What a freakin joke." Obviously, this character quoted above has never lived here, but has only observed from a distance. Observing growth data, which perhaps would apply to other areas that don't have the endless list of amenitys,transportation infrastructure, and mountains in such close proximity. Certainly, the Wasatch has it's challenges just like any area that is growing so quickly. However, based on what I'm seeing right now and how far it has come, "The Wasatch will continue to meet those challenges and outpace the competition."

Speaking of competition, I think as has been wisely suggested numerous times, Boise needs to look elsewhere for it's comparisons. In this region, city's such as Colorado Springs, or Albuquerque, would be a much better gauge of comparison as to Boise's progress. Comparisons to the Wasatch Metro or Downtown Salt Lake are silly and meaningless.

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What a long read! I just had to chime in and say that I don't think I have really noticed Boise forumers comparing the two cities anymore than other SL forumers do. Both cities are smaller and swiftly growing into healthy mid sized cities in two states that share a common bond in a lot of ways, and yet have a very un-common bond too. The impression I get is that most Boise people do not want Boise to be like Salt Lake at all, so I don't think you have to worry there Delts. Boise has a very distinct feel, vibe, personality, while SL has its own too.

[Viperlord]

45-unit upscale condo project to rise near downtown SLC

By Barbara Rattle
The Enterprise

Ground is scheduled to be broken in late March for Newport CitiView, a 45-unit upscale condominium project on just less than an acre at 325 N. 300 W. in downtown Salt Lake City.

The project is a joint venture between Salt Lake City-based Proterra Inc., headed by veteran Utah developer Chuck Akerlow, and Newport Enterprises, a Salt Lake City firm owned and operated by Akerlow's sons, Steven and Michael.

Newport CitiView units will range in size from approximately 900 to 1,900 square feet and be priced from roughly $260,000 to $700,000. The complex, four stories above ground and one level of secure parking below, will be located on what is now the site of the former Temple View Motel.

[Boiseguy]

Originally Posted by i-215

That my friend is Harris and Ullman's "Multiple Nuclei" theory.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Urban_structure#Multiple_nuclei_model

I guess Harris was one of BYU's star geographers back in the day - and he and Ullman came up with this theory in like 2 hours - because it's so simple, but Geographers back in the 1945 hadn't really considered it. You're absolutely right - that's why sprawl continues in places like Los Angeles when it's no longer practical to drive into downtown L.A. everyday - it's because other cities, like Ontatio, Irvine, Riverside, and others have become new "nodes."

yes you're right LA is a prime example as well.. I thought I'd bring it up for discusstion in slc thread because it actually specifically talked about slc... I can see it starting to happen in boise as well.. which is why I posted it... but delts decided to get defensive and miss the point... every city can compare itself to any other city.. because fact of the matter is.. ever larger city was once smaller and facing the same crossroads that any other smaller city is facing as well... in fact lots of city officials in boise have been meeting with planners from Vancouver Canada.. while the two cities are TOTALLY different and not even in the same category as far as size and influence... boise can learn alot from them... I think anyone with any logic would do such a thing.. I think salt lake city could benefit from it as well... that's my point.. it wasn't meant to have a knock at salt lake.. because I'm referencing the same patterns that exist in boise... delts you are very dominating on these threads almost so much so that you're responding to your own posts... please don't jump to conclusions and push the discussion down a rivalry and
argumentative path.. because then you're just assuming and you know what they say about someone that just assumes? you look like an ass....


I would be the first person to nominate you delts.. for a position in marketing for the city of Salt Lake....you definetely have the mindset and drive to do a wonderful job.. but of course it would have to be a behind the scenes position.. because it would be counterproductive once you opened your mouth..

[delts145]

Originally Posted by Boiseguy

http://promo.realestate.yahoo.com/americas_most_overpriced_suburbs.html

Intersting article about cities.. had some information about salt lake city and the style of growth that has been happening.. it kind of goes along with what I've been saying about the salt lake metro area and how it is so displaced and disconnected... and I worry that boise could begin following down that path..

Now why in the world would anyone assume that Boiseguy would ever make a snarky, assinine, or snide remark about Salt Lake. Hey, I mean you've alway's been the epitomy of gentility.

Seriously Boiseguy, Can we even find a post iniated from you or someone like Ruger, regarding Salt Lake City, that isn't full of bigoted trash.

Lets say I did jump to conclusions and made the wrong assumption. With your history or examples like the thread that was just shut down, could anyone blame me.

As far as comparisons, the fact still stands. You would be better off to try and compare Boise with a city in the region that is more the size and architectural standard of the Colorado Springs or Albuquerque area.

[delts145]

Originally Posted by Northernlad

What a long read! I just had to chime in and say that I don't think I have really noticed Boise forumers comparing the two cities anymore than other SL forumers do. Both cities are smaller and swiftly growing into healthy mid sized cities in two states that share a common bond in a lot of ways, and yet have a very un-common bond too. The impression I get is that most Boise people do not want Boise to be like Salt Lake at all, so I don't think you have to worry there Delts. Boise has a very distinct feel, vibe, personality, while SL has its own too.

Northernlad, I do appreciate your neutral and positive remarks, and I apologize for the long read. The only thing I would ask is that you understand that as a part-time resident of Utah Valley and the Wasatch Front I very much feel a part of the entire Metro. When I think of the area I think of the entire Wasatch Front, from Ogden to Payson. That said, in my mind about 2.2 million people is not small. To me, the Boise metro at some 560,000 is small to medium, The Wasatch area is large, and L.A. is very large.