Stadiums and Arenas of Canada part 2 - Page 175

Oilkountry · #**3481** Posted **Oct 1, 2015, 5:19 PM**

28,000 seats for the regular season in bmo

snowmobile · #**3482** Posted **Oct 1, 2015, 6:05 PM**

So the endzones at BMO will be 3 yard short..does anyone know if any one stadium has shorter endzones? I believe Commonwealth and Molson have the corners cut off for the track but they are proper length.

Oilkountry · #**3483** Posted **Oct 1, 2015, 6:15 PM**

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Originally Posted by snowmobile

So the endzones at BMO will be 3 yard short..does anyone know if any one stadium has shorter endzones? I believe Commonwealth and Molson have the corners cut off for the track but they are proper length.

Molson has the rounded endzones but commonwealth fixed the problem there

If history repeats itself The entire league may follow suite. This happened when the lions moved into BC place and the entire league shortened the end zones. I would love to see 15 yard end zones in the league.

Nathan · #**3484** Posted **Oct 1, 2015, 6:47 PM**

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Originally Posted by Oilkountry

Molson has the rounded endzones but commonwealth fixed the problem there

If history repeats itself The entire league may follow suite. This happened when the lions moved into BC place and the entire league shortened the end zones. I would love to see 15 yard end zones in the league.

I would hate it, and think 3 yrd short endzones are a joke. Rounding the corner because of a track is one thing, actually chopping endzones off entirely is just brutal and it's a shame that a Grey Cup will be played in a stadium that can even fit a proper length field. I love deep endzone routes with a large scoring area. This is getting closer and closer to NFL dimensions.

thurmas · #**3485** Posted **Oct 1, 2015, 11:54 PM**

Enough whining people, life is not going to be perfect, Look at how shitty the Argos situation at Rogers Centre is right now compared to BMO for next year. Yes the new field might not be perfectly centered and the seats are red, but they get excellent intimate CFL capacity at 28,000 in the outdoors where football is meant to be played on the very site of their glory years at the CNE. They wont be booted out and constantly rejigging their schedule because of the Blue Jays, they have new ownership tied to Bell and TSN that has a vested interest in the Argos success unlike cheap ass David Braley who has not put a dime in the Argos since he bought them. The Argos should be able to emulate the box office success very similar to what the Ti-Cats and Redblacks are currently enjoying.

king10 · #**3486** Posted **Oct 2, 2015, 12:21 AM**

where have you guys read about 17 yard endzones?

I cant find any recent news stating that.

Im reading retractable seats in the North and South end to fit the CFL field.

The renovation will also install seats that can be rolled back in the north and south stands to accommodate the longer CFL field and end zones

http://www.tsn.ca/bmo-field-to-host-104th-grey-cup-1.369303

FrankieFlowerpot · #**3487** Posted **Oct 2, 2015, 12:37 AM**

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Originally Posted by king10

where have you guys read about 17 yard endzones?

I cant find any recent news stating that.

Im reading retractable seats in the North and South end to fit the CFL field.

The renovation will also install seats that can be rolled back in the north and south stands to accommodate the longer CFL field and end zones

http://www.tsn.ca/bmo-field-to-host-104th-grey-cup-1.369303

Here - it's from a meeting back in June - http://www.explace.on.ca/database/rte/files/MLSE%20Presentation%20-%202015-06-23.pdf

king10 · #**3488** Posted **Oct 2, 2015, 12:44 AM**

Ahhh i see. They have a combined 13 yrd run off. Can they not just make 3.5 yard run offs between each endzone wall thus allowing a 20 yrd endzone?

I mean THF doesnt have much of a run off behind the endzones. Just add padding to the walls.

It says "6'" clean zone. Doesnt that mean 6 feet not 6 yrds? 6 feet is only equal to 2 yrds.

FrankieFlowerpot · #**3489** Posted **Oct 2, 2015, 12:49 AM**

CFL requires at least a 6 yard run-off I believe

king10 · #**3490** Posted **Oct 2, 2015, 12:52 AM**

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Originally Posted by FrankieFlowerpot

CFL requires at least a 6 yard run-off I believe

That illustration is confusing then. It states 150 yrds. 144 yrds. 17 yrds. Then for the safe zone it says 6'. If it was yards why wouldnt they say yrds like the other measurements? 6' reads 6 feet. Weird.

FrankieFlowerpot · #**3491** Posted **Oct 2, 2015, 12:56 AM**

Could just be a typo

Prometheus · #**3492** Posted **Oct 2, 2015, 1:22 AM**

Off-centre field? Super lame.

elly63 · #**3493** Posted **Oct 2, 2015, 2:00 AM**

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Originally Posted by Oilkountry

I would love to see 15 yard end zones in the league.

Why? Shorter endzone = smaller playbook

snowmobile · #**3494** Posted **Oct 2, 2015, 2:49 AM**

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Originally Posted by Prometheus

Off-centre field? Super lame.

Do you want to see 'offcenter'? Try the barclays center for hockey or yankee stadium for soccer

Oilkountry · #**3495** Posted **Oct 2, 2015, 3:34 AM**

omg people, It's 5 yards off centre.... Give it up. unless its an Arial shot you won't even notice it.

FrankieFlowerpot · #**3496** Posted **Oct 2, 2015, 3:53 AM**

Arial is a nice font and all - but an aerial picture would be better

osmo · #**3497** Posted **Oct 2, 2015, 7:30 AM**

It shows ineptitude with the off-center field, it could of been avoided. This is all rush to fit a circle into a square hole.

I want top know how you get that capacity up to 40k for a Grey Cup. The original plans had both ends reconstructed to accommodate that as grandstands could be fit on both ends.

You can't even get the new standard BMO capacity of 31K with the football configuration. For a Winter Classic you still have lots of room as the rink isn't that big and you can add in seats on the North end, but this isn't doable for the football configuration.

Agian people act like Brayley is some saint. His cheapo ways in delaying the inevitable sale and venue move has made BMO Field unworkable for football at a optimal level. I don't care about the new paint and fresh car smell for BMO, since as of right now its a crappy set-up for football IMO.

This is still a lateral move from the worst venue in the game to the newest worst venue. Let's just hope the locker rooms are top notch so the players don't complain, that's what they did in Brooklyn for the Islanders...

Bad management and ownership is to blame. Brayley sitting on his pennies could of had MLSE alter plans early so that CFL football could be 100% incorporated. The original plans were to blow up both the south and north ends and push the south end back (and the street) to give more room to accommodate CFL dimensions. The talk of rolling back the south stands still comes from that old premise, the reality there isn't any space to do it as you have food stands built in under the south stands and the Stadium is already underserved with amenities from expansion so those are not going anywhere.

Bad management is to blame in Long Island as the Islanders were morons not to approach the Nets group on having the means to support hockey configurations, it was never in the plans as it was never brought up ... Not sure who didn't think at the minimum hosting pre-season games in Brooklyn would not be a wise idea. Now look at the results of lack of foresight. The Islanders go from the worst arena in the NHL agian to the worst arena...

Very similar parallels. Both Lee and Brayley are bonehead owners who have set thier teams up to make stupid decisions.

Let's not talk about the proposed TURF only end-zones either (turf will be laid full length for the GC)... Half grass and half turf? Even the Raiders don't have it that bad.

IMO you spend the money and just roll down turf each Argos game. I am sure some company, some place, can create a drainage system while the grass is covered with boards. Work like crazy to get turf up after games and nurse the grass back to life for TFC.

Won't be cheap but it might work...

esquire · #**3498** Posted **Oct 2, 2015, 1:52 PM**

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Originally Posted by Oilkountry

omg people, It's 5 yards off centre.... Give it up. unless its an Arial shot you won't even notice it.

Yeah, I agree. Really a non issue as it doesn't affect the number of prime seats available for sale. Snowmobile got it right. .... a Brooklyn Islanders scenario would be no lower level seats past the 30 on one side of the field. This is far from that.

Short end zones would be inexcusable in a new building though, even a second rate one like BMO. No way it's going to happen based on that drawing though... if they're going to compromise on end zone or run off, why on earth wouldn't they compromise on the latter and just add extra padding to the wall? There would still be a 5 yard gap.

drummer_god · #**3499** Posted **Oct 2, 2015, 4:03 PM**

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Originally Posted by Oilkountry

omg people, It's 5 yards off centre.... Give it up. unless its an Arial shot you won't even notice it.

It's actually 15 yards off centre if going by the in stadium rendering.

So, depending on which rendering you're looking at, it's 5 yards off or 15 yards off.

Oilkountry · #**3500** Posted **Oct 2, 2015, 6:26 PM**

A 28,000 seat BMO will be a great place to watch a football game. A winning atmosphere is gonna be great under that canopy. It's a few minor details and you guys are discarding the entire project.

Sounds familiar

"it's not gonna work"
"It's gonna be a terrible place to watch football"
"Bush league half @ss patch job"

2 years and countless sell outs later Ottawa has one of the best game day experiences in the league. And the revamped north Stand has been a big part of that.

It was mentioned that the Argos ownership were gonna do a season ticket drive. That's huge for the Argos. They held a press conference and really showed invested interest in the grey cup. I have such a good feeling about the way Larry and Bell will treat this team and I'm optimistic about the Argos future in Toronto. I truly feel like BMO will be a top notch venue even if it is a little quirky here and there. And OSMO I'm sure MLSE have figured out a way to make BMO Grey cup suitable. I'm going to trust the credible opinion of a multi million dollar company that have studied it over Some dude ranting about a drawing on a forum