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[Sheba]

Originally Posted by jollyburger

The shopping mall is destination retail that attracts people from the region. Beresford might have the odd shop that fits that bill but more likely it will just be typical local retail (if they're smart) serves residents in the area. No one is going to walk over when everything they want is inside the mall.

A quick look on google street view shows Bereford has medical and dental, cafes, Pharmasave and a non-profit. I really doubt they're aiming to compete with the mall.

[jollyburger]

Originally Posted by Sheba

A quick look on google street view shows Bereford has medical and dental, cafes, Pharmasave and a non-profit. I really doubt they're aiming to compete with the mall.

I don't think they can or would compete with the mall (if they were smart). Even if all those towers have a bit of retail it will probably be more than enough for the area to support.

[BodomReaper]

Originally Posted by Klazu

They have really struggled to rent the retail space along Beresford. Half of the spaces are still empty. It is unfortunate as there is a lot of foot traffic.

That's because the developers built shallow crappy CRUs - a thin cosmetic ribbon of "retail frontage" (as planners like to call it) instead of functional retail space large enough to get a street scene going. The developers here fulfilled their commercial FSR allocation primarily via the office podiums, and put 0 effort into retail. The planners let it slide because they don't understand this stuff and micro-manage everything except the exact things they should be regulating for (urban design conducive to a quality urban street experience).

[urbanight93]

In my experience, Beresford has a busy active street life (especially considering all the construction) and I've witnessed line ups at the open stores. I think people are being hypercritical for what is intended to be a retail area for residents / locals living in the densifying surroundings as opposed to a major shopping destination with retail anchors. See metrotown across the street for that.

[officedweller]

This one on Wilson is now called NUVO and down a floor to 43 storeys.

Originally Posted by officedweller

https://issuu.com/anthemproperties/d...HrcvyvFw%3D%3D

[Vin]

Originally Posted by urbanight93

In my experience, Beresford has a busy active street life (especially considering all the construction) and I've witnessed line ups at the open stores. I think people are being hypercritical for what is intended to be a retail area for residents / locals living in the densifying surroundings as opposed to a major shopping destination with retail anchors. See metrotown across the street for that.

Given its location smack in the middle of a future downtown transportation hub, it is understandable that people would want to see a more vibrant and busy Beresford instead of a sleepy local neighbourhood retail strip. However, it is also true that it would take years to bring a previously dead zone to be on par with other major downtowns in the world, although I must say that initial plans for a neighbourhood tend to determine what kind of place it will be in the future.

[urbanight93]

Originally Posted by Vin

Given its location smack in the middle of a future downtown transportation hub, it is understandable that people would want to see a more vibrant and busy Beresford instead of a sleepy local neighbourhood retail strip. However, it is also true that it would take years to bring a previously dead zone to be on par with other major downtowns in the world, although I must say that initial plans for a neighbourhood tend to determine what kind of place it will be in the future.

I agree with the sentiment to be bold and daring but disagree that what we see here is due to a lack of vision from Planning. The reality is the City's plan for a busy and vibrant shopping district is for the future Metro Downtown area (north of Central Blvd through Hazel St). Beresford is part of the Maywood neighbourhood and is by design intended to serve the day-to-day needs of residents (not competing with plans to the north) and provide active frontages facing the skytrain. Not everything can nor should be the Champs-Élysées.

[Klazu]

Great shot of Metrotown skyline with a rendering of The Standard.


Anthem Properties

[Klazu]

Artesia Metrotown, 31 floors.

[Sheba]

Originally Posted by Klazu

Artesia Metrotown, 31 floors.

According to the presales sites it's at 4275 Grange Street, so slightly north of Kingsway over towards Central Park.

[privatejet]

Not sure if this was posted, but here are some renderings of Pinnacle's Lougheed project (the one with the 82 story tower) on JYOM's website.https://jyomarchitects.com/Projects/Pinnacle_Lougheed/

[Jimbo604]

Originally Posted by privatejet

Not sure if this was posted, but here are some renderings of Pinnacle's Lougheed project (the one with the 82 story tower) on JYOM's website.https://jyomarchitects.com/Projects/Pinnacle_Lougheed/

How many in City of Vancouver would pass out if 82 storey were proposed in Vancouver? "This isn't a nine storey on Broadway or 30 storey commercial/residential tower... [clunk]."

[Spr0ckets]

Originally Posted by privatejet

Not sure if this was posted, but here are some renderings of Pinnacle's Lougheed project (the one with the 82 story tower) on JYOM's website.....]

It's been posted before.

Quite a few times actually.

[Sheba]

Originally Posted by Jimbo604

How many in City of Vancouver would pass out if 82 storey were proposed in Vancouver? "This isn't a nine storey on Broadway or 30 storey commercial/residential tower... [clunk]."

But but... that's not human scale!

[logan5]

Originally Posted by Sheba

But but... that's not human scale!

Human scale neighbourhoods work a lot better though.

[Vin]

Originally Posted by Jimbo604

How many in City of Vancouver would pass out if 82 storey were proposed in Vancouver? "This isn't a nine storey on Broadway or 30 storey commercial/residential tower... [clunk]."

Bring it on, Burnaby! Lame Vancouver needs to be jolted to its senses, if it has any at all.

Originally Posted by Sheba

But but... that's not human scale!

Those folks who decry this can live on "human-scale" planets: a rock large enough only for their feet.

[vanman]

Originally Posted by privatejet

Not sure if this was posted, but here are some renderings of Pinnacle's Lougheed project (the one with the 82 story tower) on JYOM's website.

Thanks. The link has a more refined rendering that I dont think has been posted before.

[Migrant_Coconut]

Originally Posted by logan5

Human scale neighbourhoods work a lot better though.

It's a relative term; to somebody living in Manhattan, London or Singapore, thirty floors and up is still human-scale.

That said, it's worth nothing that most of Burnaby is NIMBY and would kill Pinnacle and City Council if they ever built anything in Cariboo, so they have to cram an entire town centre's worth of density into one mall.

[officedweller]

JYOM - that's the same architects as on 601 Beach.
The podiums here look similar (fish scales) to the rejected podium at 601 Beach, but the form benefits here from the taller podiums.
I like the fins at the upper levels.

[Metro-One]

I prefer the design of these towers over Concord Burnaby.