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Alleyway to test future of nightlife

Column by Cosby Woodruff

As the Alleyway Project comes closer to comple­ tion, it becomes clear this development will show whether downtown Montgom­ery has true after-five potential.

Other downtown develop­ments -- the baseball stadium and the new hotel and conven­tion center -- work, but they serve very specific purposes.

Baseball fans and large con­ventions have few other choices in Montgomery.

Local residents who might want a nice night out with din­ner and a few drinks have plenty of other places to go. Businesses in the Alleyway will have to con­vince these customers that the entertainment district is the place to be.

The district, bounded by Commerce, Bibb, Coosa and Tal­lapoosa streets will be officially unveiled early next year.

To be sure, people staying at the Renaissance will walk across the street for dinner or to hear a band. But the hotel rooms downtown won't be enough, even when they are filled to near capacity, to carry as many as five restaurants.

These are places that will need to seat customers on a dai­ly basis.

Even though it takes a bit of a creative eye to see through the sawdust and splattered mortar to recognize what will be where, it is obvious the developers are looking for quality places.

So the test here won't be of quality, it will be of location.

A group of people floated the idea that downtown Montgom­ery can be a 24/7 place, not one where government workers and bankers pack up and leave at 5 p.m. only to return the next morning.

The Alleyway Project will test that idea.

Project developers are cor­rect when they say the baseball stadium, new hotels and the con­vention center were the cata­lysts. Those projects proved it is possible to attract people by the thousands to downtown Mont­gomery after dark.

Yet those projects did little to fill Montgomery's sidewalks with people after the evening rush hour.

The Alleyway, if successful, will do that -- at least for its im­mediate area.

It will take a project the size of the Alleyway to make it work. Any one of the ideas put forth by the developers would be in trou­ble if opened in a vacuum. To­gether, they might have a chance.

In a way, that is counter-in­tuitive. Opening four or five new restaurants all at once on the same block would seem to be saturating the market.

In this case, however, it could create a destination in and of itself.

Of course, the restaurants will have to establish their own identities and client base. If one is not up to par, it won't survive.

Two substandard eateries in the same spot can give the whole project a black eye, though.

The whole concept sounds like a lot of fun. It will certainly take as many tourist dollars as it can get, but it won't make it un­less it can draw the local cash.

If it works, it almost certain­ly will lead to some sort of devel­opment along a couple of blocks of Dexter Avenue. If it flops, it will drag downtown redevelop­ment down with it for years.

The Alleyway should have a better-than-even chance of mak­ing it though. Downtown, with the stadium and convention center, is on something of a roll. The Alleyway's developers usually make things work.

Downtown Montgomery's nightlife future could depend on them being right this time.

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Cosby Woodruff...

He reminds me of those who five years ago thought a baseball stadium downtown was ridiculous...


WRONG!!!
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i was thinking the same thing when i read the article. nothing like the naysayers to bring the project down before it has a chance to get going. he almost touches on the point when he says that it becomes a a destination of its own with all the restaurants together.
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Old Posted Oct 6, 2008, 4:55 AM
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i was thinking the same thing when i read the article. nothing like the naysayers to bring the project down before it has a chance to get going. he almost touches on the point when he says that it becomes a a destination of its own with all the restaurants together.
I agree. His condescending articles on business along with "smarty marty's" hate for anything positive makes me want to whenever I see their names on an article.
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These are pics of the old Western Rails Yard. This place has become an area of much development speculation over the last couple of years because of its proximity to downtown and the riverfront.

The city has recently taken over this land and is having it cleaned up for future development(s).

Here's a website from one group that had a great plan to restore and develop this land. But the city was divided on helping the project get off the ground.

http://www.oldalabamarails.org/

...hindsight is 20/20 I guess...










At one time, some developers floated the idea of turning this old ice house into an IMAX.
(hiijakd would love to do something with this building.)










a view from the site...

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It's really a shame that the city wasn't interested. Savannah has had success with turning an old railroad repair shop into a museum.

Roundhouse Museum

Roundhouse building preservation
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I like the last pic, it`s good to see pics of Montgomery hope to see more .
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Have you guys seen the new Alabama tags I like them and I want your opinion on them it`s in the Mobile thread ?
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This will replace stars fell on Alabama the regular plate, it is not a specialty plate. The new plate will go in to play in January.

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I saw it the other day.... I think it's a big upgrade. I've always wanted a "county" namesake design such as Georgia's.
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Western Rails Area

It's my understanding from some talks within the Department of Public Health that ADPH will be building a new "campus" in that area in the future. It will be a phased development with some divisions moving out of the Tower before others.
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It's my understanding from some talks within the Department of Public Health that ADPH will be building a new "campus" in that area in the future. It will be a phased development with some divisions moving out of the Tower before others.
The word "campus" implies that this is likely to be a suburban-style development. Whatever is built there needs to adhere to the SmartCode. We don't need any more useless testaments to incompetence like that concrete-pillbox-surrounded-by-parking-lots US Attorney building.

Not busting on you, RSATower. Thanks for the info.
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Man asks judge for OK to have metal roof in historic district


A Montgomery home owner is asking a judge to overturn the city’s decision to prohibit him from installing a galvanized metal roof in the historic Cloverdale-Idlewild neighborhood.

Ryan Musick had already started working on a new metal roof and concrete patio for his home on Norman Bridge Road when the city issued a stop work order on Aug. 5. Musick then filed a request with the Architectural Review Board, but that request was denied at the Aug. 26 meeting.

With a unanimous vote, the board did not give a specific reason, but it cited its general purpose as a board as the grounds for the denial, according to the meeting minutes. The city code says the board is responsible for determining the appropriateness of a request and whether the change would be compatible with the rest of the “architectural or historic value” of the historic district.

Musick claims that the decision was “arbitrary, capricious, without basis or authority and in violation of the rules and regulations of the board and commission and of the State of Alabama,” according to his complain filed in Circuit Court.

The board has required that Musick replace the roof within six months, which Musick said would amount to a “substantial burden” for him.

A date for the hearing, which will be heard in Judge Johnny Hardwick’s courtroom, has not been set at this time.
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It's my understanding from some talks within the Department of Public Health that ADPH will be building a new "campus" in that area in the future. It will be a phased development with some divisions moving out of the Tower before others.

What a waste of space. I agree with ExpatBaman. This space needs to be a mixed-use smartcode development, or the original railroad theme park.
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Man asks judge for OK to have metal roof in historic district


A Montgomery home owner is asking a judge to overturn the city’s decision to prohibit him from installing a galvanized metal roof in the historic Cloverdale-Idlewild neighborhood.

Ryan Musick had already started working on a new metal roof and concrete patio for his home on Norman Bridge Road when the city issued a stop work order on Aug. 5. Musick then filed a request with the Architectural Review Board, but that request was denied at the Aug. 26 meeting.

With a unanimous vote, the board did not give a specific reason, but it cited its general purpose as a board as the grounds for the denial, according to the meeting minutes. The city code says the board is responsible for determining the appropriateness of a request and whether the change would be compatible with the rest of the “architectural or historic value” of the historic district.

Musick claims that the decision was “arbitrary, capricious, without basis or authority and in violation of the rules and regulations of the board and commission and of the State of Alabama,” according to his complain filed in Circuit Court.

The board has required that Musick replace the roof within six months, which Musick said would amount to a “substantial burden” for him.

A date for the hearing, which will be heard in Judge Johnny Hardwick’s courtroom, has not been set at this time.
I was at the Architecural Review Board (ARB) Meeting that night and I get the real impression that he did not know that the metal roof was not allowed. If you look at the guy's house it is obviously inappropriate and does not fit the style. The problem we have encountered is that real estate agants (not all of them) are not disclosing to potential buyers what it means to purchase in an historic district. Work is being made on a system that would require realtors to disclose this information.

I did feel sorry for Mr. Musick, but I do not see his case going very far. His claims are not valid... people that propose inappropriate renovations to historic district residences are turned down all the time by the ARB.
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I saw it the other day.... I think it's a big upgrade. I've always wanted a "county" namesake design such as Georgia's.
You mean like this? Alabamians angrily demanded their county numbers back after this late 70s/early 80s tag, but attitudes may have changed since then.


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You mean like this? Alabamians angrily demanded their county numbers back after this late 70s/early 80s tag, but attitudes may have changed since then.


I do not like these tags. I like the number system better.
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MONTGOMERY, AL (WSFA) -- Will racing return to the Montgomery Motor Speedway? A group is pushing to bring action back to the track. Thursday night, the track's new owner went before the Board of Adjustment asking for a permit to resume operations. Fans who want to bring racing back to the track could be easily spotted in their green shirts. "It's one of the best tracks in the southeast," said one fan.

Some residents who live near the track aren't as enthusiastic. They don't want the traffic and noise that come with each night of racing. Mike Callis lives nearby he told WSFA 12 News, "We've gotten used to having no racing and we like it."

Both sides presented their case to the board of adjustment. The track's new owner Bobby Knox said he's made improvements to try to calm the homeowners' concerns. He even brought in folks who live near the track and support its return. One of those homeowners said Knox has, "come in and did away with the drag strip and made a nice entrance to the track."

For other neighbors, Knox's improvements aren't enough. Callis asked the board, "Who could we complain to if they didn't adhere to those specifications?"

After all the talk, it was time for the board to take action. The motion needed five votes to pass. The vote - a dead heat - three to three with two members abstaining.

Knox can appeal to the circuit court. He says he plans to do that Friday.

This is the second time this issue has come before the board of adjustment. Back in July, Nascar Truck Series driver Rick Crawford, who wanted to buy the track, asked the board to approve a permit to resume operations. Later he withdrew his offer.
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By Jill Nolin • October 19, 2008


A decades-old problem is back in the spotlight as the race for the Montgomery County Commission District 5 seat heats up.

The Outer Loop, the unfinished road east of the bypass that has been in limbo for years over lack of funding, is again a hot campaign issue.

Democratic challenger Randy Rushton is accusing Republican incumbent Reed Ingram of not doing enough to make the project a reality. Ingram maintains he has done everything one commissioner can do.

"It's the road to nowhere and it's been sitting there for years and years and not a shovel of dirt has been moved," said Rushton, a 52-year-old investment banker.

"It goes back to leadership. Somebody has to take the role to get that done. Someone has to get up on the table and jump up and down until we get that funding," he added.

Rushton accused Ingram of exaggerating the amount of progress that has been made to find funding for the project. While Ingram agreed that the project is at a standstill, he said it's not for lack of trying. He added the county has secured a commitment from U.S. Sen. Richard Shelby's office for funding to cover as much as 25 percent of the project's cost.

Shelby's office has said the senator has not directed $100 million to the Outer Loop project, but County Commission Chairman Todd Strange confirmed that the city, county and state have been discussing a cost-share arrangement with the area's federal representatives, including Shelby.

According to Strange, this is the proposed agreement for a project that is now estimated to be as much as $400 million: The city and county to cover a quarter of the cost. The state would also pay for a one-fourth of the project. Federal money would be used to close the gap, which could then be supplemented with toll money.

"We do have a $100 million commitment -- from federal dollars -- that we have gotten from Washington. Of course that is a federal project and we can't do a whole lot with it, but we have been pushing hard for the Outer Loop," said Ingram, a 46-year-old businessman who owns Ingram Motor Co. on Troy Highway.

The Outer Loop would begin in east Montgomery at Interstate 85 and curve south down through the county and west to U.S. 80.
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Article about small town business incentives and Prattville's economy.

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Incentives lure retailers, but at what cost?
By Marty Roney • October 19, 2008


PRATTVILLE -- The explosion in retail growth here that has added 1.3 million square feet of shopping space over the past three years hasn't come without a cost.

The city used tens of millions of public dollars in bonds and sales tax rebates to lure the acres of new shopping centers.

Prattville is one of several towns in Alabama that have ponied up incentives to attract retail stores -- and the coveted sales tax revenues they bring. A 2004 law passed by Alabama voters made it legal for counties and municipalities to grant public funds and credit to individuals, businesses or entities to promote economic growth.

Proponents of the incentives believe the money is part of the price of doing business in today's market. Opponents believe the pay-outs in Prattville were unnecessary -- the stores would have ended up here sooner or later just because of the growth of the city.

Mayor Jim Byard said offering incentives to attract business is a necessary evil.

"Offering incentives for retail growth is horrible public policy," he said. "But that is the world we live in. Other cities are trying to land these same stores, and we compete against one another. I had one person tell me its just jealousy, that Prattville wants to be like Montgomery.

"It's not jealousy, it's survival. Half of our budget is made up of sales tax collections. For any city to prosper, it has to maintain and grow its sales tax collections."

It began with a bond

Three years ago the City Council approved a $43.7 million bond issue to get the ball rolling on retail growth.

Of the total amount, which will be repaid with interest over 20 years, about $4 million went to the Retirement Systems of Alabama to build a civic center at the Legends complex on the Capitol Hill Golf Course. The hotel and course are owned by RSA. The rest of the money -- $39.7 million -- went to land Prattville Town Center, a 400,000-square-foot development, and High Point Town Center, a 900,000-square-foot shopping center.

The money helped purchase land and paid for improvements like expanding the network of roads around the area and extending city services to the sites.

Bass Pro Shops, an anchor of Prattville Town Center, cut a separate deal with the city. The sales tax for the Bass Pro location only was raised from 8.5 percent to 10 percent. The majority of the city's portion of the sales tax collections, up to $23.37 million, is being rebated to the company to help pay for the construction of the store.

The council is expected to act on a new incentives package during its Tuesday night meeting.

ALLSOUTH, a Prattville development company, is proposing a 266,000-square-foot shopping center in the east part of town that will include Academy Sports and Outdoors, Hobby Lobby and Kohls as anchors.

The deal is to offer a sales tax rebate to the developer to retire the debt -- half the city's sales tax collections at the center, up to $9 million, will be paid through an intermediary to help offset the construction costs of the $50 million-plus project.

It's nothing unusual

Prattville, with a population of 32,034 according to U.S. Census Bureau estimates, isn't the only city in Alabama to offer incentives for retail interests as a roll of the dice to boost municipal revenues.


Wetumpka, with a 2007 population of about 7,500, is rebating a portion of the city's sales tax collections at Lowe's Home Improvement Center, up to $1 million. When the Wal-Mart Supercenter was built, the city offered $238,000 in infrastructure improvements.


Millbrook, with about 16,500 people, rebated sales taxes up to $5 million to Wal-Mart to get the supercenter that was built in that city.


Leeds, a city of 11,203 near Birmingham, passed bonds totaling $6.4 million to build a nature park and an additional $27 million to help build the development with Bass Pro Shops as an anchor, according to published reports in The Birmingham News. That Bass Pro location is expected to open in November.


Northport, a town of almost 23,000 next to Tuscaloosa, offered $1.6 million over 10 years to lure a Lowe's to the city. According to The Tuscaloosa News, Lowe's didn't act on the incentives package and built the store anyway.


Decatur, with 55,741, has proposed a $53.75 million package that would go to the Sweetwater Project, which will have a Bass Pro Shops, hotel and other retail development, according to Barney Loveless, an attorney working on the project.

The deal includes $32 million in sales tax rebates for the Bass Pro store, with the remainder of the money going to infrastructure improvements around the center. The infrastructure work will be paid for with bond money. Bass Pro announced last month that the construction of the store has been delayed until 2009. The company expressed concerns about the economy.

Larry Whiteley, manager of corporate public relations and outdoor education for the Springfield, Mo.-based company, said Bass Pro is committed to the Decatur project and expects work to begin next year.


Gardendale, population 13,419, offered rebates of half of the city's portion of sales tax, up to $2.5 million, and $433,000 in street improvements for the Caufield Square project, according to the city's Web site. The city will also pay $43,000 to buy land to put in storm water retention ponds for the project. The 300,000-square-foot development will have mixed retail and residential use, including a movie theater and bowling alley.

How did we get here?

On Nov. 2, 2004, Alabama voters approved amendment 772.

A 44-word section of the legislation started the firestorm, changing the way economic development is handled in the state.

A county commission or municipality was allowed to "lend its credit or to grant public funds and things of value in aid of or to any individual, firm, corporation or other business entity, public or private, for the purpose of promoting the economic and industrial development of the county or municipality."

Suddenly, local governments were able to use the sort of incentives usually reserved to lure major industrial projects like Mercedes, Hyundai and Thyssen-Krupp. The smaller towns could sweeten the pot to attract shopping centers with big anchors.

The law created a seller's market for developers and retailers, said Dr. Bob Robicheaux, a retail expert with the University of Alabama in Birmingham's School of Business.

"Retailers have certainly used incentives, and some of those incentives have been pretty substantial," he said. "Each city is now in competition with each other. A retailer can go to a city and say 'I can go to 20 different towns to build my store. What are you going to do to convince me that I need to build here?'

"It puts the retailers in the driver's seat."

Everyone is after the big names, said Loveless, the attorney working on Decatur's incentives package.

"Prattville is really blowing and going with all they have been able to land," he said. "The competition for retail growth has become fierce. Sometimes people don't understand that incentives are an investment. You have to get those retail clients to pick your city. The result is the creation of jobs and increased tax collections."

Prattville officials offer "conservative" estimates that when the two new shopping centers are fully online, the city will see an increase of about $10 million a year in sales tax collections along with business license fees and other revenue. The bond payment is about $3.6 million a year. The plan is to take the bond payment off the top of the $10 million, then move the rest to the city's general fund.

The proposed shopping center, The Exchange at HomePlace, will only add to that new revenue stream, Byard said.

One Prattville city councilman isn't so sure:

"I don't think the customers are there to support the retail space we have now, much less these new stores," said District 1 Councilman Bill Gillespie. "The economy is soft, and there's a lot of empty stores up at High Point. I think we need to fill up what we have now, not add space. It's a poor use of public dollars."

The time to act is now, said Joe Turner of ALLSOUTH, the development company putting together the Exchange project. The economy is sluggish, but it will turn around, he said.

"Some retailers are pulling back," he said of expansion projects in the face of slowing economic growth. "But the retailers that are financially stable are going forward. Building now means the stores will be completed in a year to a year and a half.

"Most analysts say the economy will rebound by mid- to late 2009. These new stores will be completed in time to take advantage of the strengthening economy."

Competition between retail centers in the same neighborhoods is good for business, Robicheaux said.

"Most people think new stores take away business from existing stores," he said. "That's not true. Just look at the Galleria in Birmingham. When the Summit was built five miles down the road, everybody said the Galleria was finished.

"That hasn't been the case. Both developments are stronger because traffic has increased at both locations. Having two major shopping centers within a few miles of each other has only made that section of I-459 even more attractive to future development. It has made it hotter real estate."

Prattville's future

Prattville officials want the city to become the shopping hub of central Alabama, a service area that includes Clanton, Selma, Montgomery and Greenville.

The city has laid a good foundation, said Jeff Bates, an economics instructor at Auburn Montgomery's School of Business.

"The economy of Prattville itself is pretty strong," he said, pointing to the high number of residents who live in Prattville and work in the federal and state government agencies in Montgomery. "What would really impact other cities economically won't affect Prattville as much because of that stable base of employment.

"Prattville doesn't have the population to support this retail growth. But if you draw a circle, 40, 50 or even 60 miles around Prattville, that's the customers they want. The economy will get better, and when it does, Prattville is just sitting up there waiting to take advantage of it."

The plan to become a shopping hub means incentives are no longer needed for retail growth, said Pat Owens, who owns an insurance agency in town.

"The stores in this proposed center will come on their own," he told Byard before a recent City Council work session to discuss the package for the Exchange. "We have the numbers, we have the stores now, the traffic will be there. It may not be this year, but they will come because of our growth."

Byard told Owens they would just have to agree to disagree.

But that brings up the question: Will there come a time in Prattville when incentives are taken off the table?

The first round of incentives, the bond issue, obligated Prattville to make payments for 20 years. The Exchange incentives are a better deal, simply rebating half the sales tax collected at the center.

Prattville isn't on the hook for making a bond payment, and isn't out any money up front. The Exchange proposal won't affect the city's credit rating or what it can borrow for future infrastructure projects, said Rod Morgan, the city finance director.

"Our retail growth means we can get a better deal with future incentives," said Morgan, who wasn't working for the city when the first round of incentives was put together. "We had to have that first round of incentives to get to where we are now."

The city now counts Bass Pro Shops, J.C. Penney, Belk, Best Buy, Publix, Target, Home Depot, Circuit City and Books-a-Million as calling Prattville home, along with about a half-dozen new restaurants.

The new megastores join Lowe's and the Wal-Mart Supercenter as options for local shoppers. The city's Big Kmart, severely damaged during the Feb. 17 tornado, will open it's newly renovated store Nov. 1.

With the wish list of even the most ardent shopper almost complete, will the city do away with offering incentives?

"That time may be coming," Byard said. "I think if there is a chance to land a Dillard's, Sam's Club or Costco, yes we will look at incentives. But they won't be as generous as what we have done in the past.

"If a developer wants to renovate an existing shopping center, we would certainly consider working with them on the project."

Robicheaux doesn't see Prattville's surge slowing down any time soon.

"Choosing what nationally known retailers you want to come to your city is quite frankly a wonderful problem to have," he said. "I'm sure there are plenty of cities in Alabama that would love to have Prattville's problems."
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