Atlanta Project Thread IV - Page 174

Street Advocate · #**3461** Posted **Nov 16, 2018, 3:00 PM**

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Originally Posted by ATLmangum

Agreed. Remember the CA student tower is going on the same block. Not as much room to work with as compared to the NCR site.

Yep Ponce & 3rd is less acreage and is also much narrower than much of the NCR site. NS may be two towers, however my gut is telling me the heights will not be similar.

ATLmangum · #**3462** Posted **Nov 16, 2018, 4:32 PM**

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Originally Posted by Street Advocate

Yep Ponce & 3rd is less acreage and is also much narrower than much of the NCR site. NS may be two towers, however my gut is telling me the heights will not be similar.

I’m thinking low 30’s and low teens.

jpk1292000 · #**3463** Posted **Nov 16, 2018, 4:36 PM**

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Originally Posted by ATLmangum

I’m thinking low 30’s and low teens.

Probably a good guess

Pemgin · #**3464** Posted **Nov 16, 2018, 4:59 PM**

Does someone have a diagram or can describe how the student housing tower and NS HQ will occupy the same block?

Street Advocate · #**3465** Posted **Nov 16, 2018, 5:29 PM**

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Originally Posted by Pemgin

Does someone have a diagram or can describe how the student housing tower and NS HQ will occupy the same block?

Student housing project is the northwest corner of the block. On google earth, I'm pretty confident NS is limited to the backwards L of the block. Studen housing will fill in the rest:
https://www.google.com/maps/@33.7730006,-84.388065,227m/data=!3m1!1e3

Pemgin · #**3466** Posted **Nov 16, 2018, 5:36 PM**

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Originally Posted by Street Advocate

Student housing project is the northwest corner of the block. On google earth, I'm pretty confident NS is limited to the backwards L of the block. Studen housing will fill in the rest:
https://www.google.com/maps/@33.7730006,-84.388065,227m/data=!3m1!1e3

Thank you, SA.

Dale · #**3467** Posted **Nov 16, 2018, 5:55 PM**

Regarding height, I don't get the aversion to both-and. Here in Charlotte we're densifying in part through building highrises on vacant or underutilized lots.

Seems like at least half, if not most US cities are building tall (relative to existing stock). Atlanta is a laggard in this one respect.

KB0679 · #**3468** Posted **Nov 17, 2018, 3:48 PM**

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Originally Posted by Dale

Regarding height, I don't get the aversion to both-and. Here in Charlotte we're densifying in part through building highrises on vacant or underutilized lots.

Seems like at least half, if not most US cities are building tall (relative to existing stock). Atlanta is a laggard in this one respect.

Atlanta already has plenty height though. I like the additional structural density that's being added to the urban fabric with shorter towers.

Martinman · #**3469** Posted **Nov 17, 2018, 6:47 PM**

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Originally Posted by Dale

Regarding height, I don't get the aversion to both-and. Here in Charlotte we're densifying in part through building highrises on vacant or underutilized lots.

Seems like at least half, if not most US cities are building tall (relative to existing stock). Atlanta is a laggard in this one respect.

I think most people really want is two things - more variety in height and more slender buildings, both for aesthetic reasons. As you can see in this shot everything in this part of Midtown is virtually the same height give or take 50 feet.

Atlriser · #**3470** Posted **Nov 18, 2018, 2:07 AM**

I don’t think “most” people care. Only on a site like this do people really care. Is that who you are referring? Also, it indicates that the buildings are maximizing the FAR allowed on each site. That is a great thing because that means the property values are being maximized under currently law and explains why land prices are as high as they are in Midtown. It’s far better to be maximizing the FAR allowed instead of getting buildings that are substantially less than what could be built.

Martinman · #**3471** Posted **Nov 18, 2018, 12:23 PM**

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Originally Posted by Atlriser

I don’t think “most” people care. Only on a site like this do people really care. Is that who you are referring? Also, it indicates that the buildings are maximizing the FAR allowed on each site. That is a great thing because that means the property values are being maximized under currently law and explains why land prices are as high as they are in Midtown. It’s far better to be maximizing the FAR allowed instead of getting buildings that are substantially less than what could be built.

It just so happens that the comment is on a site like this.

smArTaLlone · #**3472** Posted **Nov 20, 2018, 3:28 AM**

https://www.bizjournals.com/atlanta/news...operties-files-plans-with-state-for.html

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Atlanta real estate company Cousins Properties Inc. has filed plans to develop a 1.4 million-square-foot development in Midtown’s Technology Square anchored by the new Norfolk Southern Corp. headquarters.

The project at 650 West Peachtree St. includes 1.3 million square feet of office space and about 12,000 square feet for retail space, according to plans filed with the state through its Development of Regional Impact (DRI) program.

Street Advocate · #**3473** Posted **Nov 20, 2018, 4:05 PM**

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Originally Posted by smArTaLlone

https://www.bizjournals.com/atlanta/news...operties-files-plans-with-state-for.html

Might be safe to believe the second tower may be a little taller than originally expected

Martinman · #**3474** Posted **Nov 20, 2018, 4:15 PM**

Woah! That is substantially more than was originally reported. This is looking more and more like one of the towers will have a significant impact the skyline.

Street Advocate · #**3475** Posted **Nov 20, 2018, 4:41 PM**

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Originally Posted by Martinman

Woah! That is substantially more than was originally reported. This is looking more and more like one of the towers will have a significant impact the skyline.

Yep, NCR is 750k sq. ft. in 2 towers. CODA is ~670k sq ft... both of them together are just over 1.4mil sq. ft compared w/Cousins' proposed 1.3mil square feet.

smArTaLlone · #**3476** Posted **Nov 22, 2018, 12:43 AM**

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Martinman · #**3477** Posted **Nov 24, 2018, 9:36 PM**

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Originally Posted by smArTaLlone

https://www.bizjournals.com/atlanta/news...operties-files-plans-with-state-for.html

There's a discrepancy in this article.

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The project at 650 West Peachtree St. includes 1.3 million square feet of office space and about 12,000 square feet for retail space

and then

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The two-tower project would include approximately 856,000 square feet of office space, a 14,000-square-foot childcare center with a 3,600-square-foot outdoor play area.

Could it be that the Norfolk HQ is 856,000 square feet with the remaining 400,000 square feet being spec?

montydawg · #**3478** Posted **Nov 24, 2018, 10:21 PM**

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Originally Posted by Martinman

There's a discrepancy in this article.

and then

Could it be that the Norfolk HQ is 856,000 square feet with the remaining 400,000 square feet being spec?

I think your speculation is on target. NS will want room to expand at a later date if they need to. They rent some of the space to other firms in their current headquarters building in Norfolk.

smArTaLlone · #**3479** Posted **Nov 25, 2018, 4:34 AM**

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The project will break ground at the 4th quarter of 2018 and is scheduled to be delivered in 2020.

new rendering

smArTaLlone · #**3480** Posted **Nov 25, 2018, 4:59 AM**

New rendering

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