Canada's Tallest U/C #11 - #30 - Page 174

Coldrsx · #**3461** Posted **Jul 22, 2010, 8:40 PM**

"Just crazy. Dubai, yer getting spanked, do something about it man!"

yah no.

caltrane74 · #**3462** Posted **Jul 22, 2010, 8:41 PM**

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Originally Posted by Coldrsx

"Just crazy. Dubai, yer getting spanked, do something about it man!"

yah no.

Don't let Traynor brainwash you. We ARE building more towers than Dubai..

Traynor never backed up his bullshit, with facts. Until then, the gods at skyscraperpage have Toronto way out in front of bye-bye Dubai!

b.

Coldrsx · #**3463** Posted **Jul 22, 2010, 8:42 PM**

Than say "playing catch up" not spanking.

caltrane74 · #**3464** Posted **Jul 22, 2010, 8:45 PM**

goodloard... semantics..

alright!

WhipperSnapper · #**3465** Posted **Jul 22, 2010, 8:52 PM**

Interesting. 55 buildings under construction of which more than half are over 200 metres and a quarter are over 300 metres make sense to you? The possibility that the list is grossly incomplete never cross your mind?

Possibly in five years time but, right now Toronto is undeniably being spanked by Dubai tower wise

caltrane74 · #**3466** Posted **Jul 22, 2010, 9:27 PM**

Is it possible, they dont build mid rises in Dubai, probably yes. At least until they decide that they would also like streetscape in addition to skyline.

You can even call the place a real city just a collection of monster towers... no hip vybe... like were rocking here.

Traynor · #**3467** Posted **Jul 22, 2010, 11:59 PM**

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Originally Posted by caltrane74

Is it possible, they dont build mid rises in Dubai, probably yes. At least until they decide that they would also like streetscape in addition to skyline.

You can even call the place a real city just a collection of monster towers... no hip vybe... like were rocking here.

I have never been to Dubai and I hazard to guess neither have you Cal. It is always wise to actually experience and KNOW what you are talking about before you talk so much smack.

Just sayin'

caltrane74 · #**3468** Posted **Jul 23, 2010, 12:24 AM**

Of course Ive never been to Dubai. Who in their right mind wants to go to Dubai and get arrested for checking chicks, muslim or otherwise....

They will never be a real free trading city like the Anglo cities... London, New York, Hong Kong, Sydney, or Singapore.

They are fakers.....their laws cant match the common law and self determination of civilized countries that allow you to checkchicks freely.

steveve · #**3469** Posted **Jul 23, 2010, 2:42 AM**

Dubai and toronto.... cannot be compared (economics, governments, demographics, etc....)

Photos from today (july 22)

Uptown, Crystal, Casa: they all are great contributions to the yorkville area! Imagine these views 2 years ago..... i know, they sucked :p

X Condo,

All photos by me: steveve

bob1954 · #**3470** Posted **Jul 23, 2010, 4:14 AM**

Now ask everyone were they would rather live.... Toronto, Calgary or probably anyplace in North America, hands down. A lot of those towers in Dubai will probably stay empty for a long time!

WhipperSnapper · #**3471** Posted **Jul 23, 2010, 10:52 AM**

I was in Dubai around 2005ish. A lot has change since but that's more beside the point. Deira had a fairly complete medium rise density that you don't really see in Toronto and I was hoping the Entertainment District would eventually look like.

Arrested for checking out chicks?!? Dubai is selling itself as a resort to Euros where their can fulfill any guilty pleasure for the right price. As usual, you're logic is totally flawed.

steveve · #**3472** Posted **Jul 23, 2010, 6:29 PM**

Dubai is one huge amusement park, its got exciting architecture, skyscrapers, attractions, etc.... I love it!, its a good, thing, but they're in over their heads.

As long as i'm not the one paying for it all, its all good!

WhipperSnapper · #**3473** Posted **Jul 24, 2010, 1:09 AM**

More opinions ... I guess I'll share my own.

Dubai offers the lifestyle 80% of North Americans live. It's a tacky, supersized Mississauga. That hardly makes it an amusement park. Dubai's biggest impediment is the common religion which is far too selective in regard to citizenry. There is nothing to keep immigrants from leaving once the money runs out.

caltrane74 · #**3474** Posted **Jul 24, 2010, 4:18 AM**

So my feelings are known on this matter...
Dubai, if it were not for itz emirate brethren in Abu Daubi would not be building skyscrapers. No Western bank will lend money for this foly. And can you believe that these emiratee with their finite resources of oil, choose to spend it on self aggrandizement rather than building a truely stable world trading centre. Thats why I said they will never be a trading centre of the Anglo Model Style : London, Hong Kong, Singapore, New York, Cayman Islands, Gibraltar, Bahamas...etc, etc. Real trading centres that make money from money. Dubai will never be this, because their government doesn't have a common law to protect the ordinary man from the powers of the state government or religion (ie zealots). So if you can't trust the government, would you ever invest 1 or 2 billion dollars there. nope of course not. They are already out of money, they can't keep that show on for much longer before the house of cards falls in on them. And we all sat here laughing our asses off, just like we did last November, when they went broke and had to beg for Money from Abu Dahbi's oil reserves.

so they could finish building skyscrapers? huh? wtf?

makes no sense, makes no money.

you need an economy where people can think freely to create to generate real wealth.. this will never happen in Dubai.

Even the cave men/Barbarians of medieval times battling the Romans knew the value of real trade, to expand knowledge and wealth. well shit, its 1200 years later and these fools still haven't figured it out.

give me a break

Gresto · #**3475** Posted **Jul 24, 2010, 5:26 AM**

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Originally Posted by WhipperSnapper

Dubai is selling itself as a resort to Euros where their can fulfill any guilty pleasure for the right price. As usual, you're logic is totally flawed.

Interesting.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010...arrested-dubai
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worl...led-Dubai.html
http://www.jaunted.com/story/2009/6/...Posh+Spice+Tee
http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-8401.html/
http://www.nowpublic.com/strange/79-...arrested-dubai

And that's just part of the first page of search results.

WhipperSnapper · #**3476** Posted **Jul 24, 2010, 2:12 PM**

What's your point? No where did I say it's all out in the open. As I also said, for the right price. Dubai is a more extreme situation but you do realize drinking in public outside of designated areas and/or public drunkeness is subject to arrest in Toronto. So is sex and nudity.

Gresto · #**3477** Posted **Jul 24, 2010, 7:40 PM**

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Originally Posted by WhipperSnapper

What's your point? No where did I say it's all out in the open.

My point is, Dubai is not the bastion of hedonism you make it out to be, therefore it's rich of you to point to someone's logic being flawed (especially with the misspelling of "your", though that has less to do with logic than English conversancy). Dubai is a pretend city trying to lure rich Westerners with promises of unbridled decadence and debauchery, all the while swaddled in the laws and customs of conservative Islam. A makeshift Vegas without the freedom. Neither city holds the slightest attraction for me.

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As I also said, for the right price. Dubai is a more extreme situation but you do realize drinking in public outside of designated areas and/or public drunkeness is subject to arrest in Toronto. So is sex and nudity.

Drunkenness, depending on the behaviour of the drunk in question. It's more a matter of public disorder (causing trouble while drunk). I don't know offhand about full nudity (I believe it's still illegal in public, though folks get away with it during the gay parade), but women can legally walk topless anywhere in Ontario.

Traynor · #**3478** Posted **Jul 24, 2010, 9:22 PM**

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Originally Posted by Gresto

...therefore it's rich of you to point to someone's logic being flawed (especially with the misspelling of "your", though that has less to do with logic than English conversancy).

Misspelled "your"? Did you want him to spell you're as in you are? That would make no sense grammatically. What is you are point? That makes no sense. Now I'm really confused.

edit... Never mind... You were referring to what he wrote several posts previous.

WhipperSnapper · #**3479** Posted **Jul 24, 2010, 9:59 PM**

Whatever. You seem more concern over my grammar than reading I wrote. I said Dubai is a resort with all the amenites one can expect to be offered and that it's a burgeoning business hub offers the prototypic suburban lifestyle. I also added that its conflict with its Islamic idealism could be its downfall. Calling the Emirate fake and latching onto some third party pieces as gospel is just laziness.

Gresto · #**3480** Posted **Jul 24, 2010, 10:25 PM**

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Originally Posted by Traynor

Misspelled "your"? Did you want him to spell you're as in you are? That would make no sense grammatically. What is you are point? That makes no sense. Now I'm really confused.

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Originally Posted by WhipperSnapper

As usual, you're logic is totally flawed.

In that sentence "your" is correct, not "you're", which should be obvious to anyone with a working knowledge of English. The only reason I raised it was because of his sarcastic remark about faulty logic. But anyway...

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Originally Posted by WhipperSnapper

Whatever. You seem more concern over my grammar than reading I wrote. I said Dubai is a resort with all the amenites one can expect to be offered and that it's a burgeoning business hub offers the prototypic suburban lifestyle. I also added that its conflict with its Islamic idealism could be its downfall. Calling the Emirate fake and latching onto some third party pieces as gospel is just laziness.

I hate when people can't concede to being wrong. It's a personality defect. Dubai is fake by definition, because it's a calculated, manufactured city, not one that has grown organically over decades and centuries. Twenty years ago it was a nondescript intersection in the desert. Now its billionaire makers are reaping what they sowed, with buildings standing empty left and right. You yourself called it "a tacky, supersized Mississauga", so I guess you lazily latched onto some gospel.

But we have digressed long enough.