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Planning commission denies, then approves, siding use

Variance requested to use greater percentage of siding in downtown
courthouse than Development Vision allows


By Yvon Gauvin
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Published Thursday November 27th, 2008



This is the final design for the Moncton justice centre. It features a five-storey glass atrium at the apex of its two wings, which replaces a circular feature prominent in earlier designs.

It was a clash of old and new ideas, with an outcome that was clearly unforeseen.

The proposed architectural design for downtown Moncton's new five-storey justice centre which incorporates what is arguably "non-traditional" building material was debated at length last night before the Greater Moncton Planning District Commission.

While the design of the $48-million building by architect Michel Gallant was never in question, use of composite aluminum panels over as much as 45 per cent of the building's Westmorland Street facade and 15 per cent of the Assomption Boulevard face proved a conundrum for commissioners.

The project was before the commission seeking variances on setbacks and on the total percentage of composite aluminum panels on the two facades.

At one end, commissioners supported the City of Moncton's Downtown Development Vision which placed great emphasis on a harmonious and cohesive development including limiting use of some new construction materials for the buildings exteriors. The city said no more than 10 per cent of a building's facade should have non-traditional material, for example metal siding and plastics.

Gallant, the architect, argued that the composite aluminum panels are a far cry from ordinary aluminum or siding, are lighter, stronger and expected to require far less maintenance than the traditional materials like sandstone and brick. Plus it adds a breath of fresh air, a splash of modern design in a traditional downtown core, he said.

Some commissioners tended to agree; others felt they were constrained by the city's vision statement.

Commissioner Michael Sullivan led the charge by stating the city spent $200,000 or more coming up with its Downtown Development Vision and that he couldn't see voting in favour of the proposed variance, certainly not to the extent of 40 to 45 per cent as proposed for the Westmorland Street facade.

He said he could "live" with a 13 per cent aluminum face, but not 40 per cent.

Others agreed including Commissioner Dale Briggs who warned that the city would be regressing by allowing the variance.

Briggs wanted to know if the aluminum would pit over the years and if it could last 50 years or more.

Gallant said that the product has been in use for 15 years now and is already used in the city, including on the Moncton YMCA building and The Moncton Hospital expansion. Commission chairman Ian R. Fowler reminded the gathering that neither building was in the downtown core.

The variance went to a vote with eight for and eight against. Fowler cast the deciding nay vote.

The other variances were eventually adopted including the issue of underground parking and the risk of flooding prompting Commissioner Lynn Murray to wonder about liability in the event of flooding.

The commission eventually opted to seek a guarantee from the province, which is building the justice centre, that neither the city nor commission be held liable for any damages.

Not satisfied with the vote on the aluminum panels, Sullivan put forward a motion to "reconsider" the nay vote, which passed and prompted further discussion, mainly to see if there could be some compromise as to how much aluminum could be used.

Commissioners agreed they were not qualified to determine how a building should be designed and what material to use and how much, asking instead that the architect limit the use of aluminum to perhaps 30 per cent.

The second vote to accept the original variance was adopted this time by a total of 11-6.

Gallant, himself a commission veteran, said after the meeting that the final decision on materials rest with his client, in this case, the province.

He said he believes in the city's vision but also believes in adding some variety rather than just rebuilding the old Moncton.
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The city's 'vision'...sounds like a 'lack of vision' to me...
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The city's 'vision'...sounds like a 'lack of vision' to me...
15 percent is crazy. the expansion on the old Hawk building has at least 15% siding, and the silver and black building across the street has even more. both of which were built after the Vision plan was passed.

I completely understand why the city wants to stamp out vinyl. I hate the stuff, and it looks terribly tacky on tall buildings. But forbidding the use of anything other than wood and brick is crazy. What if someone wanted to build another building like the Bank of Montreal? Is tinted glass considered non-traditional?
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15 percent is crazy. the expansion on the old Hawk building has at least 15% siding, and the silver and black building across the street has even more. both of which were built after the Vision plan was passed.
Is it just me or does the old Hawk building look tacky and unfinished? Could they not have just added similar brick to the expansion or put siding on the front of the building like across the street at LASIK? Which ever would be cheaper.
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Is it just me or does the old Hawk building look tacky and unfinished? Could they not have just added similar brick to the expansion or put siding on the front of the building like across the street at LASIK? Which ever would be cheaper.
That was a bad example. I'm not a big fan of it either. I guess a better one would be the old YMCA/Scotia McLeod building on Gordon St.
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The city's 'vision'...sounds like a 'lack of vision' to me...
I generally support the "downtown vision", assuming of course that sanity and wisdom ultimately prevails at the planning commission hearings.

I remember a couple of years ago when Fortis constructed the addition onto the Blue Cross Centre downtown. The original plans didn't make any architectural sense. The original building is of course a classic design made of red brick. The addition was going to be mundane and clad in siding. It would have been frankly quite ugly and a detriment to the complete downtown. The mayor, council and planning commission dug in their heels and forced Fortis to rethink their design and the new addition was build with attractive brick and stucco. This was a true victory for the city.

This doesn't mean that I think that all buildings downtown need to be clad in red brick. It's just that the downtown is the heart and soul of the community and should serve as the showcase for the city. As such, the council and the planning commission have every right to be picky about design proposals placed before them.

That all being said, the composite aluminum panelling that they are talking about here for the new courthouse doesn't really bother me. As it has already been mentioned, this panelling is already in use at the Ambulatory Care expansion at the Moncton Hospital and at the new YMCA. It makes for a nice contrast with the exterior brickwork on both those buildings.

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I personally would be upset if it was a 100% red brick structure...we have enough of that already haha
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I don't recognize the building at the centre of this picture. Where/what is it?
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I don't recognize the building at the centre of this picture. Where/what is it?
I would say this picture was taken from the U de M campus and the building in the foreground would be the Gulf Fisheries Centre of the Federal Department of Fisheries & Oceans (across from the Dumont Hospital).
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I would say this picture was taken from the U de M campus and the building in the foreground would be the Gulf Fisheries Centre of the Federal Department of Fisheries & Oceans (across from the Dumont Hospital).
Ohh, I see what you mean. Thanks

I remember the controversy around the expansion to Blue Cross, and I think you're right about it. The city was absolutely right to fight for better. My problem with this courthouse thing is that, the city shouldn't be quite so rigid in its interpretation of the Vision plan. I'm afraid they might turn away something really striking and attractive if it doesn't conform to the traditional red brick look.
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Metro centre still on track
Published Friday November 28th, 2008

Moncton mayor says city's ambition makes it stand out; project should move forward as four-way partnership between governments, private-sector
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Mayor George LeBlanc isn't shying away from his campaign pledges to pursue an economically sound multi-use metro centre for downtown and to accelerate green space development in the city.

And while the economic downturn in North America is becoming a convenient excuse for politicians everywhere to cower from every challenge and opportunity, LeBlanc says he wants to go ahead with the agenda he set when he ran for mayor.

He also hopes provincial and federal politicians were listening to a key message former U.S. President Bill Clinton delivered in Moncton this week.

In a meeting with the Times & Transcript's editorial board yesterday, LeBlanc said Moncton's ambition was part of what made it such a special place to live and now was not the time to abandon its goals and vision.

"We keep swinging above our weight class, and we have to do that. We have to show people we stand out, that we're a great place to live and getting better," he said.

Saying he, of course, needs council's support, LeBlanc says he still has the action plan he ran on in the top drawer of his desk and it's not collecting any dust.

On the completion of the city's Millennium Trail network, the mayor vowed to accelerate the progress in this mandate, rather than backing away from its expense. He also said the public can expect to see more money put toward it in the upcoming capital works budget.

But on the idea of a multi-purpose metro centre, the mayor was even more specific.

He wants the city to come up with a plan for which there is a sound business case and to that end he's not talking about just building an arena.

"I don't want just another Coliseum," he said, suggesting a new facility should include all aspects of what a community wants in its downtown. It would be a sports, entertainment, cultural complex with commercial and residential space to offset expenses.

"There are big capital costs and operating costs, but if we can put together a sound plan, we can do it."

That business plan took a step closer to being drawn up this week, as the deadline passed for consultants to respond to the city's request for proposals. Council will likely consider the proposals and award a contract to do the feasibility study at its mid-December meeting.

LeBlanc said he is hopeful a metro centre complex could be funded through a four-way partnership between three levels of government and the private sector.

Noting he was repeating something Bill Clinton said at the Moncton Coliseum Tuesday, LeBlanc said, "I think it's more important than ever for the federal and provincial governments to step up now," to help get economies going through infrastructure investments.
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N.B. retail sales climb 7%: StatsCan
Published Friday November 28th, 2008

Used and recreational motor vehicle and part sales, as well as gas station revenues a key factor in higher retail figures
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Despite the pessimistic views of the economy that have surfaced of late, New Brunswick retail sales for the month of September were ahead of where they were last year, according to a newly-released survey by Stats Canada.

"New Brunswick, for September, kind of recovered a bit from a decrease in August," said Claude Bilodeau, economist manager of Stats Canada's monthly retail trait survey.

New Brunswick's September 2008 retail sales represent a 7.4 per cent increase as compared to last year for the same time frame.

The province registered $835 million in retail sales in September, which represented a 0.8 per cent increase over August numbers. By comparison, New Brunswick retail grossed $828.6 million in August, $839.8 million in July and $818.8 million in June (all seasonally adjusted figures).

Retail sales in the country totaled $36.3 billion in September, up 1.1 per cent from August, which represented the strongest rise in sales in eight months.

Bilodeau says the province's 7.4 per cent increase has New Brunswick "well positioned" going forward.

"In the Maritimes, it's in the very strong average, only Newfoundland (11.4 per cent increase from previous year) seems to show a bigger increase from September to September," he said, adding that New Brunswick also compares favourably to the national average increase of 6.8 per cent, with Newfoundland, Quebec (8.9 per cent increase) and Saskatchewan (9.5 per cent increase) leading the way in terms of growth in the past year.

Bilodeau says the gain in New Brunswick comes in large part due to the continued emergence of the used and recreational vehicle and parts dealers trade group, which accounted for $176.3 million in sales in the third quarter of 2008 and has shown a 15.3 per cent increase in retail sales since last year. He also cites gasoline stations as a big contributor to increased retail sales in the province, with a 16.9 per cent third quarter increase over last year.

Chris Sawcett, sales manager at Moncton's MacDonald Pontiac, says they have noticed an increase in used car sales.

"Absolutely. Our used cars sales are extremely strong, very strong. We've always been a real strong used car store here anyway, but I would say that this past year has probably been a little stronger than usual. Our volume is up, specifically in the last couple of months, the volume is doing very well," he said.

Sawcett says he doesn't know what to attribute the province-wide increases to, but says it's likely a sign of the prosperity in retail hot-spots like Moncton.

"To put a real finger on it, I can't. The car business is a funny business," he said. "I think most of the car dealerships in Moncton are doing pretty well. I think the economy in Moncton and Atlantic Canada is good. We don't seem to have the ups and downs like out west, we just kind of stay steady here."

The survey says the increase in national sales by new car dealers ($6.13-billion in total sales for the month), which was the first such increase since January, was "largely responsible" for Canada's 1.1 per cent overall retail rise.

In New Brunswick, new car dealers saw a 13.5 per cent decrease in the third quarter of 2008, although it was following a 41.4 per cent increase in the second quarter of 2008. Compared to last year, new car dealers in the province registered a 1.6 per cent increase in retail sales.

Although the numbers show new car sales haven't been as strong in New Brunswick as other areas of the country, Fawcett says they've still experienced an increase in sales.

"Moncton is booming and obviously it helps everybody out. You can't go near Champlain Place mall right now, it's so busy and consumer spending is still really good in this city," he said. "People need cars, they are always going to need cars."

Eric Pelletier, manager of investment attraction and community relations with Enterprise Greater Moncton, says you can't look too far into one month's sales figures, but he was impressed by the long-term trends that were presented in the report.

"Our results comparable to Q3 last year are up, whereas in some of the rest of Canada, the retail sales have been slumping, especially in the third quarter. That's really interesting to see and I'll be extremely interested to see Q4," he said.

Pelletier says there could be a "lag" effect for Atlantic Canada to feel more of the effects of a downturning economy, but he also believes the region is well positioned to weather the storm.

"Especially New Brunswick and Atlantic Canada, we've done a lot of work to diversify our economy. We're not necessarily reliant on one or two areas of the economy, as opposed to other regions across Canada," he said. "If you look at the Greater Moncton region, it's definitely where we're a lot more diversified than any other regions in Atlantic Canada. I would say that would explain some of it."

Ian Munro, director of research with the Atlantic Institute of Market Studies, speculates that there are two ways to look at the province's increases.

"It could be that September is sort of an anomaly that will be a bright spot before a very dark period," he said. "Conversely, it could mean maybe that a lot of the doom and gloom predictions shouldn't be quite as doomy and gloomy because of the strength in consumer spending."
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^ Glad to hear the "metro center" is on track!...it will be more than a year Im sure before we hear anything of real interest regarding the project, like a price, a location or a render or anything like that. The sooner we get moving the better.

Really like the idea of having commercial space and residential space as well. Maybe we could do something like Freddy is doing with their convention center/ office tower....and make ours a stadium and attached office/ residential tower.
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Riverview needs new school: parents

Gunningsville School students can't host upcoming Christmas Concert at school this year because of overcrowding


By Eric Lewis
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Published Friday November 28th, 2008



The Gunningsville School in Riverview has six classrooms but 10 portable classrooms in the back of the school and they are still running out of space.

Parents of youngsters at Gunningsville School in Riverview now have another point they can use to punctuate to the provincial government how desperately the east end of the town needs a new elementary school.

The school can't host its own Christmas concert this year because there simply isn't enough room in the building, which is filled to the brim with students.

Instead, the Christmas Concert will be held on Dec. 8 at Riverview Middle School.

While it might only be a small inconvenience, parents in the area say its another example of how badly a new school is needed.

Portables outside the school outnumber its classrooms, 10 to six, and the school's lunchroom doubles as its gymnasium.

For the last few years, parents in the east end of the town, which includes Gunningsville, Point Park, Bridgedale, the old naval base area and several new developments, have been crying out for a new school to replace the aging, overcrowded structure.

School District 2's education council made a new school in the area a priority item on its request list sent to the Liberal government in September.

The Department of Education isn't saying if a new school is coming or not. The province is expected to unveil its capital budget for 2009 next month. A new school, if it is on the horizon, should be mentioned in the budget.

Lana Hansen has a daughter attending kindergarten at Gunningsville and another daughter who will enroll in the school next year.

She has been spearheading a parents group, Riverview Residents for a New East End School, which has written letters and submitted a petition to the province's Department of Education, pushing for a new facility.

She says moving this year's Christmas Concert might only be a minor inconvenience for the school and parents of the students, but for the students, it could create a "disconnect."

"My child is so connected to the school now, and so proud of where her classroom is . . . to her, it's her little world, and to go somewhere else I don't think will be quite the same," Hansen says.

"You know, I'm a grown-up, I'm fine, but I just think, for the kids, it would feel more special to them if they were in their own environment."

It's not only parents hoping a new school comes to town.

The Town of Riverview supports the idea for a new school so much that it has already gone ahead and offered land to the province for a new facility.

Town manager Dave Muir says the town has two options on the table that the province could take advantage of.

The first involves 300 acres of town-owned land near the dam behind the old naval base.

The province could use some of that land for a new school.

Currently, there is no proper road going back to the area, but Muir says there are plans to someday build one.

An alternative, and perhaps a more attractive option, involves a developer in Riverview.

Muir says Romeo Goguen, the developer behind Carriage Hill Estates, a growing subdivision just past Point Park heading toward Lower Coverdale, has offered to swap land he owns with the Town of Riverview so that the town could offer his land to the province.

That land is accessible off Old Coach Road, Muir says.

"We sent a letter to the province (outlining the options), but the province hasn't gotten back to us on it," Muir says.

The east end of Riverview has seen rapid residential growth in the last several years. A decade ago, the area past Point Park on the right side of Hillsborough Road heading east wasn't much more than a giant, empty field.

Now, the area is bustling with hundreds of new dwellings, several new streets and many more on the way. Muir says it's safe to say hundreds more homes, free-standing and semi-detached, will be built in the area over the next few years.


The need for a new school is only going to get worse as time goes on.

The District 2 education council named a new school in Riverview their number two priority in September, just behind refurbishments to Moncton High School, says Aubrey Kirkpatrick, the district's director of finance, administration and communication. If the K-8 school is indeed going to be built, he says the district would "consolidate" the populations of Gunningsville and Lower Coverdale schools into the new school.

"We've met with the parents of both of those schools, and they're supportive of getting a new school built, so from a community perspective, we have lots of support that way," he says.

Having it teach students through to Grade 8 would also alleviate pressures on Riverview Middle School.

Riverview's continued growth could one day put pressure on the town's high school as well.

Kirkpatrick admits that some grades in each of Riverview's elementary schools are filled to capacity, and Riverview High is currently making use of every one of it's available classrooms.

Department of Education representative Mansoreh Nasserchian said yesterday the government is aware of the requests from School District 2 and the priority in which the requests were made.

Nasserchian says no decisions will be announced until the government unveils its capital budget early next month.

Meanwhile, parents like Lana Hansen play the waiting game.

"I'm not concerned that my kids are going to get hurt the minute they walk in (Gunningsville School's) door," Hansen says. "I'm more concerned about what they may be missing out on, opportunities in the long run, if they don't have full gym facilities.

"Gunningsville does an awesome job of doing more with almost nothing. The environment is awesome, the teachers are awesome. We've had nothing but a great experience, but at the same time, there's no hiding the fact that the 'cafetorium' as they call it, the gym-slash-cafeteria . . . it doesn't even look like a gym. You can't have a basketball game in there . . . there's no real infrastructure for real sports or learning, and it's just something I want my kids to have access to."

Gunningsville principal Adam Rogerson would not comment on the school's current situation or its upcoming Christmas concert being moved to another school.
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Canada Wide Liquidators opens

Mountain Rd. business looks forward to future near proposed casino

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Published Friday November 28th, 2008



Canada Wide Liquidators manager Kaina Abderrahim shows off some of the products they have on hand.

A new business aims to be at the forefront of an economic surge in Moncton's northwest end when the new casino opens.

On Nov. 16, Canada Wide Liquidators at 1916 Mountain Rd. opened for business with a free barbecue, to which general manager Kaina Abderrahim estimated about 2,000 people showed up for.

"We had some great feedback from people in the area," he said, adding it was a positive start for the location.

Abderrahim said the company is excited about the business potential in that area with a casino development on the horizon. Right now, the location is the only centre opened under the Canada Wide Liquidators brand. The president of the company, Scott Phall, is based in Toronto.

"We chose New Brunswick because of the people," said Abderrahim. "They have a friendly stamp down here."

"The economy in Moncton is booming right now," he added. "There's a steady growth when it comes to the economy right here."

He also says it's possible the brand could grow out of this first Moncton location.

"Nothing is confirmed," said Abderrahim. "But we'll follow up on that in the near future."

The Moncton location's grand opening celebration will continue until Dec. 14. The liquidation centre will be open seven days a week, selling products acquired through overstock, business close-outs and bankruptcies.

"We sell sofas, bedroom sets, dining room tables, home décor, electronics and cameras," said Abderrahim. "We're going to do a rotation of our product line on a weekly basis, so every week there's basically something new coming in."
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Bella Casa well underway...this can be seen coming down Wheeler towards the causeway now, and from many other angles. Helps to define Riverview's "skyline" a bit.



Sorry for the cruddy quality, this is SUPER zoomed from a deck on the 3rd floor of my house haha.
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Published Friday November 28th, 2008

Mayor George LeBlanc isn't shying away from his campaign pledges to pursue an economically sound multi-use metro centre for downtown and to accelerate green space development in the city.

He wants the city to come up with a plan for which there is a sound business case and to that end he's not talking about just building an arena.

"I don't want just another Coliseum," he said, suggesting a new facility should include all aspects of what a community wants in its downtown. It would be a sports, entertainment, cultural complex with commercial and residential space to offset expenses.

"There are big capital costs and operating costs, but if we can put together a sound plan, we can do it."

That business plan took a step closer to being drawn up this week, as the deadline passed for consultants to respond to the city's request for proposals. Council will likely consider the proposals and award a contract to do the feasibility study at its mid-December meeting.

LeBlanc said he is hopeful a metro centre complex could be funded through a four-way partnership between three levels of government and the private sector.
I'm glad Geoge Leblanc still has the "vision thing". The downtown still need the "one big project" to give it the momentum that will be self perpetuating. A multi-use development such as this with residential and commercial components as well as convention space and a sports arena I think would certainly do the trick. Hopefully he will be able to scare up the appropriate provincial and federal funding. It will be a long row to hoe but in the end, if he succeeds, it will make the downtown.
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Passed by St. George st. today and there are now 2 less vacancies there. The former NB Liquor store has been sold as well as the former Chrystler Warehouse!

That will do a lot to reduce vacancy rate, I wonder who bought it?
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Passed by St. George st. today and there are now 2 less vacancies there. The former NB Liquor store has been sold as well as the former Chrystler Warehouse!

That will do a lot to reduce vacancy rate, I wonder who bought it?
It's in the "sleuth" today that a Moncton window manufacturer (who shall remain nameless) bought the Chrysler warehouse with the intent to move their operations there and make it their new headquarters. I presume this isn't Maritime Window & Door as they just rebuilt this year.

I don't know anything about the NBLC outlet but apparently there was an interested party some time ago, even before they moved their store to the new location on Vaughn Harvey. Does anyone have any ideas?
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