Sacramento Proposal/Approval/Construction Thread - III

[innov8]

Originally Posted by SacTownAndy

I vaguely remember seeing or hearing that each of those setbacks towards the top were going to be lighted? Does anyone know if this is true and if not, if there will be any type of lighting element?

Here ya go.

[urban_encounter]

Originally Posted by innov8

So the two tone on the windows; is that tape or what the heck is it?

[innov8]

Well, beleve it or not, it looks just like the rendering. The blue tone above and
below the windows are the final color, it think it's dressing for the windows

We sure are a finicky bunch... there seems to be alot of disappointed people

[wburg]

The blue panels don't seem to look quite as glaring when the windows are reflecting sky.

Prediction: This building will get the nickname "The King Tut Building."

Or, for those who don't like the building, "The Stynx."

[urban_encounter]

Like i said, I will withhold final judgement until I see it completed.

It can't be any worse than 621CM.

[ozone]

Originally Posted by wburg

The blue panels don't seem to look quite as glaring when the windows are reflecting sky.

Prediction: This building will get the nickname "The King Tut Building."

Or, for those who don't like the building, "The Stynx."

..the Stynx.

Hey remember what we could have had?


The Crystal Cream project looks pretty good. That neighboorhood is probably going to the next hot spot. It's got lots of really old (for Sacramento) homes and great mix of uses, and is very close to downtown and the railyards. This project along with a few other infills that have gone up lately will help propel this neighorhood into it's future. I think it needs a new name though. Seriously -Alkali Flats? I know its historical but it sounds too sad and ghetto. Why not call it the ERA (east of railyard area) or NODA (north of dowtown area)?

[wburg]

ozone: The downtown neighborhood with the biggest mansions is named "Poverty Ridge." They tried changing that too (there was an effort to call it "Sutter's Terrace") but it failed, because, well, that's just what it's called. Plenty of places with funky-sounding names are also elegant neighborhoods, the negative associations with "Alkali Flat" are due to its recent history--but that also adds to its charm.

And remember, Alkali Flat was a pretty swanky area in its day. Charles Crocker (the railroad magnate, not his brother who built the art gallery) lived there, as did plenty of Sacramento's early wealthy--a few of the homes are still standing. And those buildings are pretty old by the standards of the western United States in general--not as old as the Spanish missions or Mexican settlements and military bases (except of course for Sutter's Fort, which was a Mexican military base) but as old as anything in, say, any other city on the west coast, aside from a few Spanish missions and Mexican forts.

I have noticed a lot of repair and reconstruction of historic homes in the neighborhood--and not just as law offices, but residences. Anyone been to the Tuesday evening "Urban Farm Stand" in J. Neely Johnson Park yet?

[econgrad]

Originally Posted by wburg

(except of course for Sutter's Fort, which was a Mexican military base)

Sutter's Fort was never a Mexican Military Base. Where the heck did you get that story?!

[tronblue]

Originally Posted by econgrad

Sutter's Fort was never a Mexican Military Base. Where the heck did you get that story?!

Well I would say there is some truth in that, but also some assumption.
First, Sutter claimed Mexican citizenship. His fort was molded after the adobe Spanish style. But I've never heard of it as a Base for Mexican military operations. I do believe that they were called upon to reign in some local Indians. But I don't know what that makeshift band of early New Helvetians would have comprised of. Sutter, I would say, is that guy that acts like your friend so he can date your sister. He got Mexican Citizenship so he could get the land and than when the Americans came, he proclaimed that California be Independent from Mexican control. Today he would be known as a douchebag.

But, since we were talking about names earlier, I would love to see some "New Helvetia" use around Sacramento. Oh and Alkali Flats is way better than stupid acronyms. We should be so lucky to have names like "poverty ridge" and "Newton Booth." But if thats how you want it how about renaming old sac as: WOWF (West of Westfield's Failure) or "wosros I5" (West of the State's raping of Sacramento by I5).

[aufbau]

Originally Posted by tronblue

Oh and Alkali Flats is way better than stupid acronyms. We should be so lucky to have names like "poverty ridge" and "Newton Booth."

Couldn't agree more-our place names hold too much of a storied history to be replaced with of-the-moment acronyms, which always struck me as derivative. I find our place names add character to our neighborhoods and invite me to find out more of an area's history and evolution...it rankles me enough that our most successful district is stuck being known as "midtown"..blah.

[Cynikal]

Originally Posted by tronblue

Today he would be known as a douchebag.

Sutter Sr. was chased out of the area for shady deals. He was known as a douchebag back then as well.

Sutter Jr. was who plotted out the current city. If Sutter Sr. had his way the city would be where sutterville is now.

Since when is a fort not a military base?

[econgrad]

Originally Posted by Cynikal

Sutter Sr. was chased out of the area for shady deals. He was known as a douchebag back then as well.

Sutter Jr. was who plotted out the current city. If Sutter Sr. had his way the city would be where sutterville is now.

Since when is a fort not a military base?

No one said it was not a military base. I am saying that these rumors or whatever about it being a previous Mexican fort is just plain nutso, and possibly driven by more revisionist fantasy history that plagues many Californians about California. You can search and search and you will not find any at all credible evidence or sources that Sutter fort had anything to do with Mexico military. Purely hogwash. Mark Twain was right, its not that people do not know things, they just know a lot of stuff that isn't true.

On alkali Flat: The ad reputation it has is not that influential, and I am sure people will be happy to buy into the neighborhood as we are slowly experiencing in Oak Park. The name itself should not be a problem long term.

[wburg]

Sutter's Fort was a Mexican fort. It was established by a Mexican citizen (Sutter) under a land grant given by the governor of Mexican California (Jose Alvarado.) Sutter conducted military operations from the fort, using soldiers operating under the flag of Mexico. No rumors necessary.

[Pistola916]

Wburg is right. I'm taking a History of CA class at SF State right now. Sutter was appointed local military commander by Gov. Alvarado

[econgrad]

^ ^ PM me a link, I cant find anything on this and now I'm really curious...

[Pistola916]

^
Here is an excerpt from my Hist of CA textbook called "The Elusive Eden:a new history of CA"

"Upon arrival Sutter wrangled a huge grant of land in the unoccupied Sacramento Valley, as well as extensive civil authority from Governor Alvarado, who appointed him local military commander and judge 'to represent all the laws of the country in the area'... Sutter erected his own fort, which not only was a major military base and a major defensive bulwark against Indian raids, but also made him largely independent of Mexican control" (p.154).

[wburg]

I got my info from two sources off my shelf: Sacramento: Indomitable City by Steven Avella, and Gold Rush Capitalists by Mark A. Eifler.

You can look at the former book online: search for "Sutter" using the "Search Inside" feature on Amazon and read pages 20-25. It details Sutter's acquisition of the land from Mexico, the military role of the fort, and its caputre in the Mexican War by Col. John C. Fremont.

http://www.amazon.com/Sacramento-Indomit..._1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1218561260&sr=1-1

[arod74]

Hahahaahah wburg, you and your crazy revisionist history. Where do you make this stuff up and what are you gonna tell us next? That American Indians got a harsh deal back in the days.... Seriously though guys, wburg is one knowledgeable dude. If you are going to fact check him, do so with more than a wiki search and your own preconceptions.

[econgrad]

^ Actually Wburg and I are about even with fact checking each other. Thanks for chiming in with your opinion.

[arod74]

Originally Posted by econgrad

^ Actually Wburg and I are about even with fact checking each other. Thanks for chiming in with your opinion.

Your welcome . And from my regular perusing of the posts, I think your claim of being "about even" with wburg on fact checking to be a bit of revisionist view on your part..