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Old Posted Jul 28, 2008, 11:08 PM
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I like them both. It will add life to those areas

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Old Posted Jul 28, 2008, 11:53 PM
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Wow. Those are a couple big projects. I wasn't expecting such a substantial project for the site behind safeway there... It looks like the architect is the same for both projects - i guess they are the same developer?
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Old Posted Jul 29, 2008, 2:36 AM
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609 9th st, that is where the current Sac County Employment office is, are there plans from county to move?
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Old Posted Jul 29, 2008, 4:49 AM
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Both are still in the design phase, they haven't even been formally submitted to the city, so we're talking a few years out. I have heard some things about the 17th and S project.

I wonder what a "quasi-residential" neighborhood is? The neighborhood just to the south of S Street is residential, no "quasi" about it, and consists almost entirely of bungalows built from the 1890s-1930s. While I don't think it would be necessary to make the south facing look like a gargantuan Queen Anne cottage, it's hard to imagine how edgy, modern industrial design would blend seamlessly into that.
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Old Posted Jul 29, 2008, 7:27 AM
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I like the design and ambition. I will be surprised if something of that size gets built on S street. I hope it does.

Wburg: What design would work for you on 17th and S? Is the building too big for your tastes. What height would be acceptable?
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Old Posted Jul 29, 2008, 5:35 PM
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BrianSac: Actually I don't have a big problem with that size, considering that the S Street frontage will be two stories with a setback. That gives the existing street trees a chance for survival, and comes close to matching the scale of the residential neighborhood across the street. Personally I like the way the Safeway looks along S Street--something of similar size and detail to the Safeway, or like the retail spaces along N Street and the Sutter garage (but two stories tall) would be fine in my book.

My response was more of my instinctive reaction to the market-speak, stuff like "quasi-residential neighborhood" or the argument that a modern design fits in well with century-old buildings, than opposition to the building itself. I've seen that rendering (or earlier iterations of it) sitting in one of the offices behind the Safeway for the past year or so.

The site itself is part of the R Street corridor, one of those infill sites we have been talking about--places where we want the bulk of new central city residents to go. I figure in a decade or so we'll see a whole string of them (of various sizes) going up along R Street, filling up the vacant lots where old industrial stuff (and the occasional residential neighborhood) was torn down, with the remaining historic buildings (like Crystal Ice, the CADA warehouse, THE SPACE, etc) knitting together the new buildings.
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Old Posted Jul 29, 2008, 6:42 PM
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My response was more of my instinctive reaction to the market-speak, stuff like "quasi-residential neighborhood" or the argument that a modern design fits in well with century-old buildings, than opposition to the building itself. I've seen that rendering (or earlier iterations of it) sitting in one of the offices behind the Safeway for the past year or so.
I reread that line a few times, and I think they tripped themselves up on what they were trying to say. It sounds like they are saying the new building will blend the industrial area into a quasi-residential neighborhood - not insinuating that it would transform the decidedly residential neighborhood south of the site into anything other than what it is now.

I dunno about the design overall. It's not mind blowing. But it would put another 147 units of residential into an area adjacent to nightlife, shopping, and transit.

Speaking of this building, what the hell happened to Regis Homes' plan on 300 Q? This 17 & S looks very close to that building, only on half a block and half the residential units. I don't think they're going to want to unveil their products at the same exact time.
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Old Posted Aug 1, 2008, 5:26 PM
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Hopefully this pans out...this could help pave the way for the Marshall Hotel reuse project.

Sacramento selects downtown location for new housing project
Former police crime lab would be razed and replaced with mid-rise
Sacramento Business Journal - by Michael Shaw Staff writer

After hiring city manager Ray Kerridge from Portland, Ore., and studying that city’s streetcar system, Sacramento is again looking to the city to the north for inspiration.

At the northwest corner of 7th and H streets, Sacramento is hoping to duplicate a downtown Portland low-income housing project completed in 2004 that includes employment services, mental health treatment and free or low-cost meal programs in the lower floors.

The Sacramento Housing and Redevelopment Agency is proposing to replace a vacant police crime lab there with a 150- to 200-unit mid-rise building.

“This is going to be a signature project,” SHRA assistant director Diane Luther said. “We’re looking for strong architectural values and a green building.”

SHRA will ask the City Council on Tuesday to sell the site to the agency for $3 million in tax increment funds and to approve an additional $440,000 to demolish the city-owned building and remove or contain hazardous materials. The price came from an independent appraisal, Luther said.

If approved, SHRA would seek an experienced low-income housing developer to secure financing and build the project, estimated to cost about $30 million. If a developer is selected by November, construction could start in 2010.

Sacramento city leaders set a goal in 2006 of increasing the number of low-income units for single occupants, in part to deal with a chronic homelessness problem. That includes maintaining at least 1,000 units of what’s known as single-room occupancy housing, or SROs, where low-income residents are housed in efficiency apartments. The city has about 700 such units now.

“What we’re trying to do as a city is to make sure the SROs are well-run, managed well and replaced,” Mayor Heather Fargo said. “This particular site seemed right. The building there has outlived its usefulness. Its neighbors are a parking garage, a jail and the county administration building.”

Fargo and others recently toured the Portland project, known as 8 Northwest 8th, that was built by a low-income housing agency, and came away impressed.

“There are services that aid people in the building and those who live elsewhere,” she said.

City Councilman Ray Tretheway, whose district includes the downtown area, toured the Portland project as well and said Sacramento needs alternatives to the current SRO stock that is mostly old hotels converted into apartments.

Tretheway said he believes there is unanimous support for the project.

“This area is a transitional area from city and county functions into the Alkali Flat neighborhood, the city’s oldest neighborhood,” Tretheway said.

The police department’s crime laboratory and storage areas at the site moved along with other police functions to a city-owned building at 300 Richards Blvd.



The former police crime lab at 7th and H streets would be a “green” low-income housing project.
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Great news indeed. Replacing the housing, rather than just giving people a check and the boot, means that the folks who live in the Marshall will have a place to go, instead of a high risk of ending up on the street.
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Great news indeed. Replacing the housing, rather than just giving people a check and the boot, means that the folks who live in the Marshall will have a place to go, instead of a high risk of ending up on the street.
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Old Posted Aug 2, 2008, 1:24 AM
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Having on-site services is key to making projects like these a success. I think this is a great project and a perfect location.
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Construction Update 8-2-2008

It finally looks like something of substance is happening at The Trammell Crow site:








The Sutter foundation building / plant is starting to get its facade:










The Artsy office building near the Sutter expansion is also starting to get its facade, which is pretty much a wall of glass:








The State of California central plant expansion is going vertical:








The Crocker Art Museum expansion is also going vertical. I hope that USA flag is not the final height - weak.






The Orleans "Hotel" has its st-yucco facade on. It looks a little bland right now, but the finishing touches are just beginning:



Funny to think that it's actually one of the tallest buildings in Old Sacramento - they've done a good job hiding the height at street level.




Roos Atkins is nearly complete:






Same with the Cosmo Cabaret:






I like the vertical glass pieces:




And the interior light fixtures:






The Framing for the bump out on the Citizen Hotel is up:






The fireproofing at 500 Crapitol Mall is inching toward the top:

















OK, would somebody please remove the blue protective tape from the top and bottom of each window unit? It's really starting to look tacky.




That's all I got. Thanks for viewing:

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Old Posted Aug 4, 2008, 3:41 AM
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Lookin' good around town, although I was really hoping the tacky old tile cladding on the Cosmopolitan was gonna be gone. That stuff is horribly 60's.
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I bet this sign looks sweet at night!!

I am not sure how I like the glass yet on 500 Capitol Mall. I am keeping my fingers crossed that the blue will blend in better once they get it installed and all the lighter blue stripes actually go around the building. We will get a better idea of this once they start getting it up on a few floors higher up. I tend to think the blue is way too light and should at least be darker. But at least the fire proofing is progressing quite nicely!!!

Thanks for the updates snfenoc and great job!!!
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Lookin' good around town, although I was really hoping the tacky old tile cladding on the Cosmopolitan was gonna be gone. That stuff is horribly 60's.
I kinda like the small beige tiles. Looks retro yet also modern which is some of the look I think they are going for. Sweet photo update snfenoc, a nice weekend to be out and about walking and shooting. Thanks..
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http://www.sacbee.com/101/story/1132562.html

Angelides says he can solve east Sacramento's vexing 'Centrage' site
By Mary Lynne Vellinga - [email protected]
Published 12:00 am PDT Tuesday, August 5, 2008


As state treasurer, Phil Angelides championed programs to encourage "infill" development in existing city neighborhoods.

Now that he's out of office, Angelides is tackling one of Sacramento's most difficult urban development sites – 48 acres next to the Capital City Freeway in east Sacramento.

For two decades, this wedge of land hemmed in by the freeway and a set of elevated railroad tracks has been a black hole sucking up developers' dreams.

Angelides, who grew up in east Sacramento, submitted a plan to the city last week to build 397 tightly packed single-family homes on the former orchard, now a vacant field.

Angelides calls his plan McKinley Village. The property is popularly known as Centrage, after the high-rise office, apartment and hotel project proposed for it in the early 1990s by high-tech executive James Lennane. That plan was killed by the Sacramento City Council after intense protest from the neighborhood.

Angelides said his all-residential proposal is less likely to ignite a backlash from residents of adjacent east Sacramento and River Park than some of the previous ideas, which included a shopping center, an auto mall, and Lennane's high-rise "European style" village.

Angelides said he is seeking to "create a 21st century green urban village that draws on the best aspects of Sacramento's existing neighborhoods."

He has teamed up with builder John Laing Homes, which has built urban-style housing projects in such locales as Hercules and the intersection of Hollywood Boulevard and North La Brea Avenue in Los Angeles.

"I'd say it's the best of the Centrage plans I've ever seen, and I've seen quite a few," said City Councilman Steve Cohn. "I've kind of lost count. I think I've seen at least five or six, probably seven."

Angelides, like many experts in the planning field, said he thinks demand for housing close to downtown will boom in the coming years amid concern about traffic, global warming and gas prices.

"There are a set of forces that are going to accelerate demand for urban infill housing," Angelides said.

Before Angelides was elected treasurer in 1998 and ran an unsuccessful campaign for governor in 2006, he was a major developer in Sacramento. He started in the business by working for Angelo K. Tsakopoulos, the region's largest land developer, and later started his own company.

The Centrage site is currently owned by Tsakopoulos, who is in escrow to sell it to Angelides. Seven acres will be set aside for a Greek Orthodox church.

As a developer, Angelides built mostly large suburban projects on former farm fields. He received national attention for Laguna West, a project in Elk Grove that included "New Urbanist" design concepts aimed as creating a more walkable community where people could live near jobs.

Houses in Laguna West included front porches and garages tucked behind houses – novel concepts at the time.

Angelides now splits his time between Sacramento and Los Angeles. He is chairman of the Los Angeles-based Canyon-Johnson Urban Communities Fund, part of a $2 billion urban investment fund co-founded by former Los Angeles Laker Earvin "Magic" Johnson. He joined Canyon-Johnson in January. His particular mission is to acquire more than 10,000 existing apartment units in urban centers around the country and fix them up for working families.

The former treasurer said the McKinley Village project is a personal venture.

In creating the plan for McKinley Village, Angelides hired the same architect, Peter Calthorpe, who designed Laguna West. Angelides said the houses in McKinley Village also will have front porches and parking in back. The plan includes two 1-acre parks, common green areas and a street with a median parkway designed to resemble T Street in Sacramento's Elmhurst neighborhood.

The Centrage site will be an expensive one to develop. A road will have to be punched under a railroad levee separating the property from east Sacramento, and an existing road and bridge leading across the freeway from midtown will need to be improved. The site lacks roads, sewers and utilities.

The last developer to propose building on the property, Cambridge Homes, backed off after the housing market softened. Cambridge Homes' plan was similar to the one submitted by Angelides, but it included multi-family housing.

"It's going to be expensive to develop," said Cambridge President Chris Stevens.

Angelides expects the residential real estate market to turn around by the time he's ready to break ground. "We're really looking at opening new homes here in the spring of 2011," he said. "We think our timing is excellent."
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I agree sactown_2007. My first reaction to the glass on 500 Capitol Mall was something like snfenoc's. Then I realized that it was the design and I didn't like it. Now I think it might look OK and I'll just have to wait untill more of the glass is installed to make a judgement. The last thing Sacramento needs is more boring buildings and the US Bank in my opinion is a real dud.
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And about the so-called Centrage site. I think they should just turn it into a park and build a pedestrian bridge across CCF linking it to the future Sutter Landing Park.

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