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Old Posted Dec 19, 2023, 11:28 PM
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Wow, what a sleazy tactic. It shows how little KIA cares about their customers. I wonder if this will shame them into releasing the vehicles?
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Is your new car on a storage compound? Inside Kia's scheme to deliberately withhold deliveries
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https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/kia-c...ales-1.7063216




"Hey guys, we don't want Corporate in Seoul thinking we are TOO successful for 2023, so we'll let these cars keep accumulating in storage lots til the new year" is the most oddball thing I've heard
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Old Posted Dec 20, 2023, 1:14 AM
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"Hey guys, we don't want Corporate in Seoul thinking we are TOO successful for 2023, so we'll let these cars keep accumulating in storage lots til the new year" is the most oddball thing I've heard
Makes sense if you want to penny pinch on advertising and don't want to Seoul to stop the ad spend.

This is also yet another reason why the direct sales model by Tesla is proving to be better. No risk of shenanigans from other bastards in the middle.
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Old Posted Dec 20, 2023, 2:42 PM
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What a bunch of assholes. Not that I was ever considering a Kia for my next car, but sure as shit, I never would now after this bullshit.

Oh, and how I hate the dealership model of selling cars. Finagle, haggle, prevaricate, upsell, charge absolutely eye-watering service fees and hard sell unneeded maintenance...

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"I'll talk to my boss" --- the absolutely required, pure BS line uttered by all car salesmen of all time.

I never get my vehicles serviced at the dealership.
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Old Posted Dec 20, 2023, 2:48 PM
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I used a car buying service the last time I bought a car. I don't like the whole, "Let me talk to my manager," bullshit. He has a dealer's license. His fee was $250. I told him what I wanted, how far I was willing to travel to pick up the car and my tolerance for profit margin over dealer invoice.

Took 20 mins to pick up the car and sign the paperwork on the day of, at the closest dealership to my home.
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Old Posted Dec 20, 2023, 3:08 PM
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"I'll talk to my boss" --- the absolutely required, pure BS line uttered by all car salesmen of all time.
Not of all time, more a product of the last 20 years or so. Almost seemed to be concurrent with the ’Karen’ “Let me speak to the manager!!!” thing.
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Old Posted Dec 21, 2023, 8:52 PM
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I think this is a marketing stunt by Kia. Sales have been very slow at dealerships this fall. Or maybe there's a big recall on their vehicles we haven't heard about.
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I miss the cars that were prolific when I was a teen in the '80s and '90's, cars like Toyota Supras, Mazda RX-7's, 240Z's, I almost exclusively prefer the old Japanese cars, with a few exceptions
I gotchu

Pulled up to a Cars & Coffee this weekend.

Here are some of the more interesting old school builds.

One of my fav cars from the 90s. The SC300/430. Love the plate SCEEESH!


Interesting collection here. 4Runner, a couple of R35 GTRs, a 3000GT, and an Integra Type R.


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And of course, my car along with another buddy's SW20, parked next to a clean EK hatch.


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Old Posted Feb 15, 2024, 8:16 PM
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It pisses me off that VW Group doesn't bring Skoda to North America. The new Superb is way better than anything VW itself brings to North America yet its their value brand in Europe.

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Old Posted Feb 15, 2024, 8:27 PM
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They look like Buicks
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Old Posted Feb 15, 2024, 9:39 PM
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They look like Buicks
They strike a good balance between Japanese and German near-luxury marques. The interiors look amazing compared to Volkswagen products.

A nice portfolio of different products:
https://www.skoda.co.uk/
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Old Posted Feb 15, 2024, 9:56 PM
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It pisses me off that VW Group doesn't bring Skoda to North America. The new Superb is way better than anything VW itself brings to North America yet its their value brand in Europe.
They won't bring those other brands here because:

1) They don't want brand dilution. This is also why we get Golf GT and R models. And not say SEAT's Cupra models.

2) They don't want to sell cars. Just SUVs. You'll notice the Superb uses the MQB platform and there's a bunch of other VW MQB models we don't get either.
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Old Posted Feb 16, 2024, 12:48 AM
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I've been fascinated by Skoda for years. Are these made in Czechia? I also like how that company makes trains/trams/streetcars
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Old Posted Feb 16, 2024, 8:06 PM
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They won't bring those other brands here because:

1) They don't want brand dilution. This is also why we get Golf GT and R models. And not say SEAT's Cupra models.

2) They don't want to sell cars. Just SUVs. You'll notice the Superb uses the MQB platform and there's a bunch of other VW MQB models we don't get either.
Sad but true.
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Old Posted May 24, 2024, 6:44 PM
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I must be getting old. I've been watching reviews of the new Toyota Camry and thinking that looks pretty sweet, how would I spec mine out...

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Imagine my disappointment after looking at the US website and seeing I could spec a base model out in the Ocean Gem blue with the grey cloth interior and get a nice sedan for under $30k (US) with 50 mpg, that you can't order that colour or interior in Canada without going to the highest trim.
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Toyota/Lexus grills are getting to BMW levels of ugly.
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Old Posted May 25, 2024, 12:04 AM
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Toyota/Lexus grills are getting to BMW levels of ugly.
Still better looking that the hot mess front end of the last one:

[IMG]2024-toyota-camry-102-64cbc4858e198 by bcborn, on Flickr[/IMG]
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The predator grille has grown on me to the point where I now think the IS is the best looking car in its class. I love seeing a blacked out IS ripping down the streets of Osaka. Lexus makes good looking cars. The new Camry looks alright, but it’s not a very exciting car. The death of the V6 and decision to solely go hybrid is probably fine for the majority of its target demographic, but that’s basically the customer that doesn’t want to think about their car and just wants it to get them where they want to go as cheaply and safely as possible.
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Old Posted May 26, 2024, 4:59 PM
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The predator grille has grown on me to the point where I now think the IS is the best looking car in its class. I love seeing a blacked out IS ripping down the streets of Osaka. Lexus makes good looking cars. The new Camry looks alright, but it’s not a very exciting car. The death of the V6 and decision to solely go hybrid is probably fine for the majority of its target demographic, but that’s basically the customer that doesn’t want to think about their car and just wants it to get them where they want to go as cheaply and safely as possible.
Oh for sure, even if the Camry looks better it’s pretty vanilla. At least it’s giving buyers a lot more choices to personalize it than the Accord. “You can have any interior colour you want as long as it’s black.”

I was interested in some of the Genesis sedans but the fuel economy is just too abysmal in this day and age. They need some hybrids!
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Timely article from CBC yesterday: https://www.cbc.ca/news/suv-small-ca...able-1.7239768


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How the automobile industry turned us into SUV drivers

Automakers focus on bigger vehicles amid lenient emissions regulations, higher profit margins

Andre Mayer and Emily Chung · CBC News · Posted: Jun 24, 2024 1:00 AM PDT | Last Updated: June 24



Last August, Paul Marriott emailed CBC's What on Earth? newsletter to share his frustration buying a vehicle. In looking to replace his 2006 Toyota Matrix, a compact hatchback, the Ontario resident had detected a pattern.

"It is impossible to buy a new small car," he wrote. "Gone are the Honda Fit, the Toyota Yaris, GM Spark, Nissan Versa, Ford Fiesta, etc. Apparently, people only want SUVs."

Marriott was largely right. Despite the higher price tag, SUV and truck sales have grown exponentially in North America in recent decades, eclipsing sedans in the process. According to DesRosiers Automotive Consultants, 86 per cent of all vehicles sold in Canada in May were classified as SUVs or pickup trucks. And Europe and Asia have developed a greater taste for them, too.

But the ubiquity of SUVs and trucks isn't an accurate reflection of what people want to drive, say industry analysts.

The trend has been greatly influenced by a combination of savvy marketing, government regulations that incentivize bigger vehicles and limited supply of more modest ones.

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David Zipper, a Washington, D.C.-based senior fellow at the MIT Mobility Initiative who has studied the automotive industry for decades, calls it a "prisoner's dilemma" — a situation where consumers who may prefer smaller cars are "being pushed toward larger ones."



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"You could make an argument: how much of it is consumer demand and how much of it is manufacturer push?" said David Adams, president and CEO of the Global Automakers of Canada.

One of the reasons we got here is government regulation. In response to the 1970s oil crisis, the U.S. government introduced a number of measures ostensibly intended to reduce gasoline usage. One of them was the Corporate Average Fuel Economy (CAFE) standard.

But instead of increasing the fuel economy of every model equally, it required automakers to increase the average fuel economy across their fleets. This created a two-tier system, where smaller cars balanced out the relatively poor fuel economy of larger ones.

The result was that SUVs remained a going concern despite high oil prices, and once oil prices dropped in the early '80s, consumers showed a greater propensity for light trucks.

Early in the 21st century, the U.S. government revised CAFE to tie a vehicle's fuel standard to its physical "footprint," a move that ultimately allowed larger vehicles to get away with lower emissions standards and contributed to what Zipper calls "car bloat."

Because the North American auto market is so tightly integrated, Canadian consumers have been a part of this trend.

For the auto industry, this was an opportunity to "not only make greater profits, but also to be subject to less stringent emissions standards," said Anne-Catherine Pilon, a transportation and mobility analyst at Quebec-based environmental advocacy group Equiterre.

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As more and bigger vehicles surround us on the road, it's led to what many observers describe as an "arms race" where drivers feel they need a bigger and bigger vehicle to feel safe.

Long said this "perceived safety" is really at odds with "the reality that SUVs are much more likely to be involved in fatal traffic accidents than cars."



Studies have shown that in collisions, SUVs are far more likely to seriously injure or kill occupants of other vehicles, due to their greater power and weight, as well as height, which can cause them to hit more vulnerable parts of the car, such as windows.

They're also far more likely to kill pedestrians, especially if they have front ends that are tall, blunt — or, worse, both.

This has been taken into account in vehicle safety ratings in Europe. So far, it's not the case in North America, and Equiterre's Pilon said that means people aren't getting what they need to make informed decisions about SUV safety.

But the U.S. National Highway Traffic Safety Administration has proposed adding data to safety ratings about the ability of vehicles to minimize pedestrian injuries, following a 37 per cent increase in pedestrian deaths since 2000.
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