CHICAGO: ORD & MDW discussion

[nomarandlee]

I remember people throwing around this idea (I think over at SSC) a long time ago. Good to see the idea is getting pushed

http://www.suntimes.com/lifestyles/t...cago12.article

City to install travel kiosks at Midway, O'Hare

August 12, 2007
CHICAGO --

..........The kiosks also have a multilingual touch screen monitor with airport transportation information, and an overhead plasma monitor with information about the accessibility of Chicago's tourist attractions.

The Chicago Department of Aviation says nine of these units will be installed at O'Hare and two more are planned for Midway. The department says they'll begin installing the kiosks in the coming months and expect to have all the units in place by early 2008.

-AP

[BVictor1]

CHICAGO TO ANNEX PART OF FRANKLIN PARK
Tuesday, September 4 at 9 AM

Notice is hereby given that the City Council's Committee on Aviation will meet to consider an ordinance authorizing an annexation of territory located in Franklin Park. The Committee meeting will be held at City Hall, Room 201-A, located at 121 North LaSalle Street, 2nd Floor. For more information, please call 312-744-6841 or visit http://www.chicityclerk.com/citycoun...tion090407.pdf

[honte]

^ Exciting.

Can someone please remind me who the architects are for the new terminals?

[ih8spires]

I understand the future runway layout but the location of the new terminals and how you are going to get to and from them has confused me. Is there going to be some underground tram from the main complex to the West Terminal? Right now Terminal 5 is the international terminal. Now I see the rendering for terminal 5 on the west side of the field (thanks Mr. Man for the rendering) on York road. And what is the "World Gateway?" I need to see a map if there is one to figure this out.

[Nowhereman1280]

That T5 design reminds me of a white version of the the gorgeous Madrid Airport. I absolutely love this color and style, Spanish architects are the best!

From Wikipedia:

[k1052]

Originally Posted by ih8spires

I understand the future runway layout but the location of the new terminals and how you are going to get to and from them has confused me. Is there going to be some underground tram from the main complex to the West Terminal? Right now Terminal 5 is the international terminal. Now I see the rendering for terminal 5 on the west side of the field (thanks Mr. Man for the rendering) on York road. And what is the "World Gateway?" I need to see a map if there is one to figure this out.

The ATS will have to be expanded to the new terminal.

[Mr Man]

Originally Posted by ih8spires

I understand the future runway layout but the location of the new terminals and how you are going to get to and from them has confused me. Is there going to be some underground tram from the main complex to the West Terminal? Right now Terminal 5 is the international terminal. Now I see the rendering for terminal 5 on the west side of the field (thanks Mr. Man for the rendering) on York road. And what is the "World Gateway?" I need to see a map if there is one to figure this out.

The new West Terminal/Terminal 6/World Gateway (all the same thing I believe) will be located here: http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=e...&t=h&z=16&om=1

The Elgin-O'Hare expressway will be extended to the corner of Throndale and York Rd. Also, a new interstate bypass (O'Hare Ring Road) will begin @ I-90 and connect with the new Elgin-O'Hare extension then end at I-290.




The new terminal building will be connected underground to the other terminal buildings on the other side of the airport. I have no idea where the new Terminal 4 building will be going though. Chicago has gone construction mad!

[Mr Man]

Here's one that puts it all together



On this map if you look close enough you can see the Elgin-O'Hare Expressway, The O'Hare Ring Road, and Terminals 4 (by Terminal 5) and Terminal 6 (on york rd).

[ih8spires]

Thank you K0512 and Mr. Mann. That did a lot toward clearing things up for me. I am a pilot based out of ORD and all the different names for all the different terminals even had me confused.

[Chicago Shawn]

Originally Posted by Mr Man

Here's one that puts it all together



On this map if you look close enough you can see the Elgin-O'Hare Expressway, The O'Hare Ring Road, and Terminals 4 (by Terminal 5) and Terminal 6 (on york rd).

Oh hell yeah, this roadway expansion added to the modernization plan just gang rapes those two little pisshole suburbs of Bensinville and Elk Shit Village. I am in support of it for that reason alone. Icing on the cake would be all the lost tax revenue and legal fees from the O'hare expansion and roadway ROW forcing the two towns to disolve their governments and annex to Chicago.

[2PRUROCKS!]

Mr Man or anyone else in the know...I am a bit confused by the O'Hare terminal plans. I thought the new western terminal would be terminal 7. Also are these plans, maps and renderings Mr Man has provided the current plan? I noticed that the first two pdf. files that Mr Man posted seemed old. The first on appeared to have been a terminal plan from before Sept. 11, 2001 and the second seemed to be last updated in 2004?

[Mr Man]

Its still maybe a year off, so any plans are preliminary. But the basics are the same. There will be a METRA station at the new Western Terminal since the tracks already exist. I say Terminal 6, but I guess they can call it whatever they want at the end of the day.

That road map from the Village of Des Plaines provides an acurate description of everything that's being planned.

So two new major highways
two new terminal buildings
two more runways
and a metra station at the western terminal/gateway

[10023]

In merger news...

Crain's is reporting that United and Delta are in talks about a combination. The combined entity would be headquartered in Chicago and have its operations base (maintenance, etc) at Atlanta Hartsfield.

[jpIllInoIs]

Originally Posted by 10023

In merger news...

Crain's is reporting that United and Delta are in talks about a combination. The combined entity would be headquartered in Chicago and have its operations base (maintenance, etc) at Atlanta Hartsfield.

I this deal, Indianapolis is a net loser.. of UAL maintenance jobs..

[10023]

Originally Posted by jpIllInoIs

I this deal, Indianapolis is a net loser.. of UAL maintenance jobs..

On further reading, that's not necessarily true. Here's the quote:

"The exact financial details of the transaction being discussed are not clear. But the talks involve United being the name of the combined airlines, the headquarters staying in Chicago and Delta's Atlanta hub being an operational center for the two carriers, the official said. One possible scenario involves Delta CEO Richard Anderson being the chief of the combined airline, the official said."

The "an" may be key. This may just mean that the hubs will be Chicago, Atlanta and Denver, as United is currently in Chicago and Denver and Delta is in Atlanta. Or they may be moving everything to Atlanta. In any merger you have to justify the combination with cost savings to create synergy, so if they decide they don't need 3 hubs, or Delta has lots of excess capacity in Atlanta (which may be the case, because there's a lot more room there than around O'Hare), they may move some of UAL's ops to Atlanta. Or this may just mean that they won't be shutting down the Atlanta operation, which I'd never expect anyway.

[VivaLFuego]

Originally Posted by Mr Man

Its still maybe a year off, so any plans are preliminary. But the basics are the same. There will be a METRA station at the new Western Terminal since the tracks already exist. I say Terminal 6, but I guess they can call it whatever they want at the end of the day.

That road map from the Village of Des Plaines provides an acurate description of everything that's being planned.

So two new major highways
two new terminal buildings
two more runways
and a metra station at the western terminal/gateway

Worth noting that the city is currently accepting bids for consulting on extensions to the airport transit system. Presumably this would include extensions on both ends, to the O'hare Transfer Metra and to the west terminals.

[Rail Claimore]

Folks, that rendering is old. Proposed terminal 4, not shown on the map, would be directly adjacent to terminal 3 (it would be where the current infrastructure-building is located), and terminal 6 directly to the east of terminal 5. Also, the location of the proposed O'Hare Ring Road was drawn in by the Suburban O'Hare Commission as a paranoia ploy by Bitchin'ville and Elk Grove Garbage. Every other proposal has the Ring Road directly adjacent to the tracks.

Here's a more accurate rendering of the future airport. New terminals are in dark blue:

[VivaLFuego]

Originally Posted by Rail Claimore

Folks, that rendering is old. Proposed terminal 4, not shown on the map, would be directly adjacent to terminal 3 (it would be where the current infrastructure-building is located), and terminal 6 directly to the east of terminal 5. Also, the location of the proposed O'Hare Ring Road was drawn in by the Suburban O'Hare Commission as a paranoia ploy by Bitchin'ville and Elk Grove Garbage. Every other proposal has the Ring Road directly adjacent to the tracks.

Here's a more accurate rendering of the future airport. New terminals are in dark blue:

Looks like the approach to 4L goes right over the new terminal building? That doesn't seem wise.

[Rail Claimore]

Originally Posted by VivaLFuego

Looks like the approach to 4L goes right over the new terminal building? That doesn't seem wise.

Except that landings won't use 4L. What's likely is that the runway will be used for landing operations on 22R (opposite direction) by smaller aircraft when prevailing wind directions on 27R make it undesirable given the alternative. On the south airfield, 22L will have a similar function and be used primarily for take-offs as an alternative to 28L.

[Go7SD]

Right now I'm sitting in my truck parked at the eastbound side of the Oasis service plaza off I 90. I see there is a control tower being built right next to the American Airlines maintenance hangar located on the northside of the airport. Does anyone know what this tower will be used for? Will it replace the current one?