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Old Posted Dec 24, 2014, 9:53 PM
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It'll be interesting seeing how the councillor feels about this, seeing as it is literally in her back yard.
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Did the City of Ottawa ever take a decision on whether it was open to a downtown casino (I assume that this will be part of the proposal)?
They decided that the only acceptable site for a casino was Rideau Carleton Raceway.
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I am also curious as to whether this is where the NCC was planning on going in the first place... They had a deadline until Oct or Nov (Please correct me) for submissions and then postponed until the New Year based on 'higher than normal' interest; is it possible there was no interest and that the NCC was just waiting and doing some back room shuffles to get an arena bid? Because thats kinda what I am sensing.
Like when Harper extended the deadline for the Portrait Gallery proposal several times to give Calgary a chance. I sure as heck hope so!

I wonder if the proposal will include a statue of Daniel Alfredsson.
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Like when Harper extended the deadline for the Portrait Gallery proposal several times to give Calgary a chance. I sure as heck hope so!

I wonder if the proposal will include a statue of Daniel Alfredsson.
Statue of Daniel Alfredsson mixed into a memorial to Hockey Player victims of Communism?
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Statue of Daniel Alfredsson mixed into a memorial to Hockey Player victims of Communism?
With all the issues with the KHL these days, some of the victims are Canadian hockey players who are losing money or simply not getting paid.

Seriously, there is something that bothers me about putting up statues of living people.
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How about a memorial to all the teeth lost in hockey. I'm sure you could pave a good sized plaza with them.
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Statue of Daniel Alfredsson mixed into a memorial to Hockey Player victims of Communism?
Not sure if Alfie is 'Canadian' enough for the NCC. Maybe if we could get a hockey player that was born on Victoria Island, in the middle of the river.
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They decided that the only acceptable site for a casino was Rideau Carleton Raceway.
Sorta. OLG did not ask the city where they wanted a casino. They asked where they didn't want a casino. The basic idea is that they could black-out area around things like the war memorial or schools or stuff like that.

Where to put it was and still is up to OLG.

The decision the city took eventually blacked out the entire map of Ottawa except for Rideau Carleton Raceway. This is not likely what OLG had in mind.

It is now up to OLG to decide what if anything they would like to build in the non-blacked out area of Ottawa or the non blacked out area of other neighbouring municipalities (such as Clarence-Rockland) that are in the same casino region. Or they could decide to do nothing.
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Old Posted Dec 27, 2014, 5:57 AM
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Ottawa Senators to make case for new downtown arena

ROY MacGREGOR
OTTAWA — The Globe and Mail
Published Friday, Dec. 26 2014, 6:20 PM EST, Last updated Friday, Dec. 26 2014, 6:34 PM EST


They said it couldn’t be done, yet they did it.

They didn’t have the money, but they landed a National Hockey League franchise because the NHL didn’t bother to check their pockets.

They didn’t have a proper rink, but said they’d build one in a rural cornfield 25 kilometres away from the heart of their city – or, as Foreign Affairs Minister John Baird put it this week, “in the middle of nowhere.”

Twenty-four years after the NHL awarded Ottawa the franchise that should have gone to Hamilton – where they had the money, but asked to pay in instalments – the Ottawa Senators have set records for futility, declared bankruptcy, changed ownership three times, gone to the Stanley Cup final and, this month, have been looking at moving to where they should have been in the first place.

Not Hamilton – but downtown Ottawa.

The leaked story that the Senators are sniffing around one of the oldest parts of Bytown, LeBreton Flats, has sent shockwaves through the nation’s capital. The west end is worried it is losing a franchise; downtown thinks it is getting one.

You begin to see, as you read the reports and tune in to talk radio, why former Senators owner Rod Bryden once threw up his hands and declared Ottawa is “not a city at all, but a collection of small towns separated by parks.”

The reason for such panic and hope lies in a “Request for Qualifications” put out by the National Capital Commission. They invited “innovative proposals” for the vacant federal lands by the war museum and set a Jan. 7 deadline for submissions.

The NCC could hardly consider a hockey rink alone as a “bold, new anchor institution.” There is, after all, a perfectly good one out in that cornfield that is no longer in the middle of nowhere, but is today surrounded by housing, malls, restaurants and car dealerships.

The oft renamed rink – Palladium, Corel Centre, Scotiabank Place, now Canadian Tire Centre – is in excellent shape and widely considered one of the finest facilities in the league by those who come to play and broadcast.

Their complaint is the same one most local fans have – it’s a pain in the butt to get to. Visiting teams and media prefer to stay downtown – hotel points being the most treasured advanced metric among those who cover the sport – and much of the local fan base considers Kanata roughly halfway to Toronto.

Current Senators owner Eugene Melnyk was in Ottawa this month to say it could be “a game changer for us” should the Senators win the NCC competition.

Certainly, Mr. Melnyk’s people have been deeply involved in preparing the submission, which they made official just before Christmas. They call their internal project RendezVous LeBreton and quietly concede that “this has probably come along five years too soon for us.” The timetable, however, is set by the NCC. The Kanata rink is not quite 19 years old and in excellent condition, but there is a belief that such facilities have a 25-to-30-year lifespan.

Large rinks built away from downtowns have a history of struggle, if not downright failure. In Canada, the six other NHL franchises are either already downtown or on their way (Edmonton and Calgary).

Money, however, is always as much an issue as location, often more so. The Ottawa rink was built well away from expensive downtown locations to save money but, according to Mr. Melnyk, has ended up costing money. He claims to have lost more than $100-million operating the team. Some would roll their eyes at this, given that he picked up the bankrupt team and rink for $127-million in 2003 and Forbes magazine now values the franchise at $400-million.

Still, the original group had to let Mr. Bryden take over for money reasons and Mr. Bryden eventually declared bankruptcy. The call for federal help has been heard before in Ottawa and if heard again will not likely find a receptive ear. Still, Quebec City got a $200-million commitment from the provincial government to help build the rink they hope will bring an NHL franchise back. Edmonton’s Daryl Katz is building a $450-million rink downtown that will have public monies in it, even though Forbes says Mr. Katz is worth $3.5-billion.

Should the Senators’ pitch find traction, Ottawans will soon be swarmed by expert economists who will argue (a) such facilities are critical to downtown cores or (b) such facilities provide no perceivable benefit to citizens. Hockey played on a calculator.

Mr. Melnyk tried to land the casino that Ottawa talked about building to compete with the Lac Leamy Casino across the river in Gatineau, but that plan was shelved after angry objections from the local racetrack and supporters. A casino remains a possibility, though the optics of placing one on taxpayers’ land within sight of Parliament Hill suggest one is unlikely for LeBreton Flats.

Senator insiders say that when their casino pitch fell flat they had no “Plan C” for finding a new revenue stream that would make the hockey team – currently with the lowest salary commitment in the league – more viable.

“This,” says one, “is now our ‘Plan C.’”

Their argument is downtown rinks work, suburban rinks don’t. They point to the city’s current megaproject, a $2.1-billion light-rail line, and say that this would be a perfect tie-in with an event-driven sports and concert facility. They say they could then properly tap into the hockey-mad western Quebec market that considers Kanata farther away than Montreal’s Bell Centre.

The Senators are acutely aware that a rink alone will not sell the NCC or the Ottawa public on their plans, that there has to be something magical to add to the mix. There has been no end to suggestions: building a new science and technology museum, a National Portraits Gallery, a First Nations centre. … “There has to be more than an arena,” says one from RendezVous LeBreton.

Much more, and a convincing argument to accompany it.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/...ticle22215484/
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I wonder if "Plan D" is Las Vegas or Quebec City.
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Uh, no.
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Yes an arena would fit there. It's been looked at as a possible location for over 4 years now. The location is prime, better that the flats, but the opportunity for partnering with other developers is what makes lebreton an alternate option with more potential.
There is absolutely no way it would fit in a Centretown block which is roughly 200 feet wide, the length of an NHL rink!
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There is absolutely no way it would fit in a Centretown block which is roughly 200 feet wide, the length of an NHL rink!
I mentioned something in that regard last week.

Winnipeg's MTS Centre, with a 15,000 seat capacity, is built on a 100mx190m lot. Kent at Queen is 79mx200m (assuming you tear down the buildings taking half the block towards Bank).
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Should've gone to Hamilton eh?

Hamilton would likely be successful, pulling in people from SW Ontario, Mississauga and sprawling West Toronto suburban cities. Considering how expensive Leafs tickets are, any additional NHL team in the overall GTA southern Ontario area would likely be successful. However Ottawa is a pretty large city as well.

In a way this is similar to the NY Islanders moving from suburban Long Island to downtown Brooklyn (Barclays Center where the Brooklyn Nets play), although, obviously at a different scale.
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The rumours are that the NHL is seeking in the long term 4 new teams: Seattle, Las Vegas, Quebec City, and a second team in the GTA.
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A single light-rail line is not going to be sufficient to get crowds to/from the arena, especially when access (read - parking) to the LRT line is also limited. If I'm coming from Gatineau, I can't think of a single place where I could park (easily) to access the arena directly, or to access the LRT to get to the LeBreton site.
STO would probably add a line or modify routes for game/concert nights.
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Would they even need to? It would be within walking distance across the bridges...
I would assume a good proportion of the ridership would be people heading to the game so it would make sense to modify the route on game nights, through des chaudières bridge instead of du portage.
Also, assuming the lines as it is, the closest stop from a STO bus stop to a future arena location is probably the first stop on Wellington.

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The rumours are that the NHL is seeking in the long term 4 new teams: Seattle, Las Vegas, Quebec City, and a second team in the GTA.
We shouldn't be too complacent on the possibility of losing the franchise. If Melnyk wants to make real money the second GTA is the best location to move to.
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We shouldn't be too complacent on the possibility of losing the franchise. If Melnyk wants to make real money the second GTA is the best location to move to.
The league is against relocations, and since Winnipeg happened it's stuck to its guns quite thoroughly on this, even though it would make massive financial sense for everyone involved for the Florida Panthers to move. (Phoenix to a lesser extent, owners can't really make money there but the TV contract is very profitable).
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They decided that the only acceptable site for a casino was Rideau Carleton Raceway.
Which is in the middle of nowhere!...just like the CTC.
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The league is against relocations, and since Winnipeg happened it's stuck to its guns quite thoroughly on this, even though it would make massive financial sense for everyone involved for the Florida Panthers to move. (Phoenix to a lesser extent, owners can't really make money there but the TV contract is very profitable).
The league also doesn't want a relocation to an expansion market because it would deprive them of a big expansion fee.
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