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Old Posted Jul 15, 2007, 2:21 PM
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But just because it's of that design, doesn't mean that it's a good adaptation of it. Cheap is cheap, and I'm sure if the site is going to be used for something else, there will have to be some environmental clean up from having buses use the place for 70 years.

I myself am a huge deco/streamline fan, but I don't see what some of you see in this building. It's just not that great.
All they have to do is save the facade and I would be happy. I am not a die-hard historical preservationist. Whether they knock it down or save it for adaptive reuse it will need to be environmentally clean.
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Old Posted Jul 15, 2007, 5:32 PM
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The DC Greyhound depot and the Sacramento Greyhound may be of the same era and style but the size and quality are very different. I have to agree with ltsmotorsport.
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Old Posted Jul 15, 2007, 7:57 PM
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There's no way this Greyhound bus station should be considered historic. If the station was in the south, and it was used by some famous people a lot, say civil rights leaders, I could maybe see your point. But even then I would turn it into a historic museaum or something.

By making an argument that an ugly Greyhound building with no real tangible historical significance (other than that it’s old) you hold this city back from growing and developing into what it can be.

This building is an eyesore. I would bet any reasonable person who sees this building in the middle of downtown would probably think the same thing.
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Old Posted Jul 16, 2007, 12:15 AM
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I'm still not sure why we are talking about saving the Greyhound Depot. I probably missed something. Has Greyhound finally found a new home (I hope)? Is there a move to list the depot as 'historical' (I hope not)?
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Old Posted Jul 16, 2007, 1:19 AM
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There is space designed into the new intermodal station for all their operations. Now obviously that wouldn't be for a few more years, but there is a permanant plan in place for the future. I don't think there is any concrete plan to move Greyhound in the meantime, so I don't think they'll be out of the current station for quite a while.
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Old Posted Jul 16, 2007, 11:57 PM
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Actually, the DC building pictured above is pretty cool--it looks like the built something taller immediately behind the Greyhound structure--not immediately clear if it subsumed some part of the original structure. If one, say, didn't use the parking bays as an open-air market, that might be a good place to put that theoretical 10-12 story building, one that wraps around the alley side and includes the gravel lot that used to be the Royal Hotel. Nightclubs and residential don't get along, but the main Greyhound waiting area would still make a good-sized market, especially if you could integrate those kickass doors, or you could salvage them and use them to breathe some life into the corner entrance and the Seventh Street entryway. That corner entrance is a burger stand now, and it's a great spot for a restaurant in general (sidling back towards thread topic.)
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Old Posted Jul 17, 2007, 5:27 AM
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Is this based on # of trains or on and offs???
San Diego is a busy station and so is Emeryville etc....
Oh yeah "Amtrak" not all the other systems and its a big Amtrak Bus hub so that probably counts..
The station stats are for Amtrak. It's for total ridership. Here are the top 5 busiest Amtrak locations in California.

1. LA
2. Sacramento
3. San Diego
4. Irvine
5. Emeryville

Source: Amtrak FY2006 ridership figures
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Old Posted Jul 20, 2007, 4:36 PM
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Damn, back in 2004 100 units were proposed atop the Firestone but it did not work out.


Plans on tap to make Firestone building a dining destination
Design proposal to eliminate old sign must pass preservation commission

By Mark Anderson of The Sacramento Business Journal

July 20, 2007


Dennis McCoy | Sacramento Business Journal

Built in 1929, the historic Firestone building, at 16th and L streets in downtown Sacramento, is being considered for redevelopment.
View Larger The Firestone Building near Capitol Park in Sacramento could emerge as an entertainment center with four new businesses -- two national restaurants, an Irish bar and a nightclub.

The building at 1531 L St. was built in 1929 as a Firestone tire store. It closed three years ago, and a series of redevelopment plans have come and gone since then. The two-story art deco building takes up a quarter block at 16th and L streets, next to the Residence Inn that opened this month.

Design changes call for enclosing what was once a parking area for the store under a massive triangular roof facing the corner. Sacramento's City Preservation Commission will consider the plan Aug. 1.

The project includes a California Pizza Kitchen and Fleming's Prime Steakhouse & Wine Bar, said Jill Scofield, spokeswoman with the city's development department.

The building is being developed by a joint venture, 1531 L Street Developers LLC, made up of Ken Fahn, owner of Metro Properties, and Mark Cordano, a partner in The Cordano Co., along with the Wurster family, longtime owners of the building. Vrilakas Architects of Sacramento will handle the design. No one involved with the project would discuss details because they don't want any publicity before they get approvals, Fahn said.

The old Firestone sign would not be preserved in the current proposal, Scofield said. The project needs no entitlements or changes in zoning, so the Preservation Commission will be the only public hearing the building needs, she said.

"Every time a restaurant opens downtown, downtown becomes even more of a destination than it was before," said Mark Friedman, downtown developer and president of Fulcrum Capital Corp. He was part of the team to develop the building at 16th and J streets that now houses P.F. Chang's China Bistro and Mikuni Japanese Restaurant and Sushi Bar. "The whole area has become a destination," he said.

Five years ago, Lucca Restaurant & Bar was one of the pioneers in the downtown revitalization, and its success motivated others to follow. A dozen restaurants have opened within three blocks, with more on the way.

"We haven't fallen off at all in any of our business," said Ron Gilliland, owner of Lucca. But he said it might be time for developers to use caution: "You can't just have restaurants in every building. There's got to be some boutiques or stores -- or something else."

It will be interesting to watch the Firestone building develop, he said, adding that chain restaurants tend to do well in the Sacramento suburbs while local operators thrive downtown.

California Pizza Kitchen Inc. (Nasdaq: CPKI) of Los Angeles has 213 restaurants. Fleming's was started in Newport Beach in 1998 and has grown to 50 locations. Now based in Tampa, Fla., the company has won many awards, including 37 from Wine Spectator magazine in 2006.

In the summer of 2004, when the housing market was still hot, Opus West Corp. proposed developing a 100-condominium residential project atop the historic Firestone structure. That plan never panned out.
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Old Posted Jul 20, 2007, 5:14 PM
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Now here's a project I'm looking forward to...not that I'm a fan of CPK or any chain restaurant, but as the article says, locals tend to do well downtown. If CPK tries and fails, then the place is already converted to a restaurant and it becomes that much easier for a local to start up in the same space. If they try and succeed, then it gives the suburbanites someplace to go.

I will agree with Gilliland's assessment, too: midtown needs more retail, and more retail open late, to go with all of these restaurants! I'm already seeing echoes of Melrose Blvd. or Union Street on J Street, the way it should be. Not sure how many of you remember J Street in the 1980s but it was a pretty hoppin' place, with lots of very hip new-wave-shop-girl type shops and secondhand shops (sorry, "vintage-clothing stores") etcetera. A couple of record stores (to complement the Beat, or to replace it if they wimp out and move to Roseville) and other hipster-drawing businesses would round things out nicely.

And, of course, it would be good if the store employees didn't have to commute from Arden-Arcade to work there...
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Old Posted Jul 20, 2007, 10:30 PM
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CPK is highly unlikely to fail in that location. It is personally one of my favorite restaurants. Their food is good and their customers tend to be varied from the family crowd to the single couples to the office workers and everybody in-between unlike say, Bistro 33 midtown or Mikuni's downtown that goes for the younger, trendish, less family-friendly audience. Downtown/midtown just needs a better mix of chain restaurants somewhere between the usual Denny's, Carrows, Subways, Blimpies, Chipotle etc and the higher end Morton's of Chicago. Chains such as Pyramid Alehouse and CPK will tend to do well. And, yes, even Cheesecake factory if they want a downtown location. Heck the above mentioned Mikuni, Bistro 33 plus Streets of London, Jacks Urban Eats, Paesanos, Vallejo, Thai Basil, Cafe Bernado to name a few are essentially now regional chains. While I like to visit one location locals like Tapa the world or Simon or Lucca, for example, good chains restaurants like CPK and Paesanos and others are also worth the visit.
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Well, I enjoy CPK and the Fleming's in Downtown San Diego in fine. Not as expensive as Morton's but of similar quality. I guess the only negative is that they wet-age their beef and I prefer dry. But that's just a personal preference. Some of you may be asking how many similar steak-houses can one area support. I said the same thing about downtown San Diego but they just keep coming and none have closed...

Downtown Sacramento has actually been pretty lucky as far as restaurants and bars. In SD the convention center was the real catalyst and I'm sure it much the same in Sacramento, but the SD convention center is much larger. And, of course, San Diego's downtown population has exploded over the last ten years and this helps support the restaurants/clubs.

Sacramento has enjoyed its renaissance without the same numbers for either conventions attendees or housing units that sparked San Diego's fabulous downtown.

Retail is always the last to join the party and without dense housing and large numbers of convention attendees is difficult to sustain. Of course, you need retail developers that share your vision of a vibrant downtown that is a regional attraction, but that discussion is for a different thread.
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More good news on the restaurant AND retail front!
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Pizzas and polos: Andrea Lepore loves Italian food. And Italian clothes.

Which explains why she's partnering in a new venture that combines both.

Hot Italian, a restaurant-boutique, is opening next year at the former site of Young's Fireside Shop at 16th and Q in midtown Sacramento.

The idea is to have "quick gourmet" food in one part of the L-shaped building, sportswear ("from $20 hats to $400 leather jackets") in the other.

Isn't that an odd pairing of retail services? It's a new concept here, Lepore agrees, "but there are a lot of places in Europe that do it."

Her partner in the venture is Fabrizio Cercatore, a chef from the Italian coastal town of LaSpezia. An exterior makeover of the building will be done by property owner Glenn Sorensen, a member of the Loftworks development team.

This is the second restaurant venture for Lepore, who ran a sports marketing business and dabbled in publishing before deciding to concentrate on development. Her first? She's an investor in the L Wine Lounge & Urban Kitchen at 18th and l streets.
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that is an odd pairing. but whatever it takes to keep retail alive in Midtown.. go for it!

On the restaurant tip, I was in the sales office for L Street Lofts, just showing a friend unfortunately. The sales person boatsed they were is talks with Michael Minna about a potential restaurant on the SE corner of the ground floor. The tentative name she used was "Aqua".
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that is an odd pairing. but whatever it takes to keep retail alive in Midtown.. go for it!

On the restaurant tip, I was in the sales office for L Street Lofts, just showing a friend unfortunately. The sales person boatsed they were is talks with Michael Minna about a potential restaurant on the SE corner of the ground floor. The tentative name she used was "Aqua".
In one way, that corresponds a bit with what they told me back in November/December when I was looking at a place there. The saleswoman I was working with was friends with my parents and at that time she told me it could be a Bay Area French restaurant chain/group. I was thinking more Left Bank at the time.

However the Aqua and Michael Mina connection makes me somewhat doubt the info since since Michael Mina hasn't had anything to do (ownership or foodwise) with Aqua for at least 3 years when he broke apart from the Aqua group when Laurent Manrique took over. He now runs his own restaurant group that entails about 8 different places, mostly in Vegas.

But an Aqua or Michael Mina-type place would be great if true!
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Some good stuff between those two. Italian food by someone from Italy? I would have never guessed that could be a good thing. There aren't too many mom and pop Italian around either..Michael Mina would be awesome. His menu looks great.

The Firestone Building looks for approval on the 1st.

http://www.cityofsacramento.org/dsd/meet...uments/PB07-063_StaffReport_08-01-07.pdf

Looks like the final tennats are CPK, Flemmings, DeVere's Irish Pub, and The Firestone Lounge (cheesy name)

I like the awning, but what the heck is a "Trish Pub?"

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^ Haha, it took me awhile to figure that one out. It's obviously just a bad "I," it's supposed to say "Irish."

(Please forgive me for stating the obvious. )
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Short for "Patricia," St. Patrick's little-known sister?

The Preservation meeting this time around has lots of interesting stuff, including the relocation of the house where the LJ Urban project will be located (to be moved to 22nd and S,) and the deconstruction of the gas station at Alhambra and T (to be donated to the Towe, with some funding for restoration.)
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Pizzas and polos: Andrea Lepore loves Italian food. And Italian clothes.

Which explains why she's partnering in a new venture that combines both.

Hot Italian, a restaurant-boutique, is opening next year at the former site of Young's Fireside Shop at 16th and Q in midtown Sacramento.

The idea is to have "quick gourmet" food in one part of the L-shaped building, sportswear ("from $20 hats to $400 leather jackets") in the other.

Isn't that an odd pairing of retail services? It's a new concept here, Lepore agrees, "but there are a lot of places in Europe that do it."

Her partner in the venture is Fabrizio Cercatore, a chef from the Italian coastal town of LaSpezia. An exterior makeover of the building will be done by property owner Glenn Sorensen, a member of the Loftworks development team.

This is the second restaurant venture for Lepore, who ran a sports marketing business and dabbled in publishing before deciding to concentrate on development. Her first? She's an investor in the L Wine Lounge & Urban Kitchen at 18th and l streets.
From Bee's Bob Shallit. I guess we'll still be able to eat pizza and shop for Italian shoes. No Italian job here.

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Using her head: As we reported Monday, Andrea Lepore likes all things Italian. Next year, she's opening an unusual business in downtown Sacramento combining Italian cuisine and Italian clothing.

Now it seems that her Italian bike helmet may have saved her life.

She was riding her bike -- Italian, of course -- in midtown on Saturday. At the corner of 28th and L streets, she turned left without looking carefully ("I was thinking about 50 different things") and was clipped by a car.

Her bike flew out from under her and she slammed, headfirst, into the side of the car, smashing out the rear passenger window.

Amazingly, she walked away with no broken bones. Just cuts and bruises. Without her helmet, she says, "it would have been 100 times worse."

She may have had something else going for her. As a child, Lepore says, her grandmother had a special name for her: "Testa dura." That's Italian for hard-headed.
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