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Old Posted Jan 27, 2008, 10:41 AM
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Building on cinematic vision

A memorable viewing of "Blade Runner" inspires the idea for an animated billboard, and perhaps the future of advertisements.

By David Zahniser, Los Angeles Times Staff Writer
January 29, 2008



Sonny Astani walked into a Westwood movie theater in 1985 and saw the film that changed his life: "Blade Runner," the science-fiction tale that imagined a dystopian Los Angeles where jet-powered cars zoom past skyscrapers covered with enormous, cinematic advertisements.

Decades later, the Iranian-born businessman is determined to bring some of those futuristic images to life. His plan? Attach an animated sign 14 stories tall on the 33-story condominium project he is building in downtown L.A.

The proposed sign would loom 12 stories above the sidewalk at 9th and Figueroa streets, facing the 110 Freeway. And city planners say it would represent a first in the city's residential architecture -- a sheet of light-emitting screens spaced close enough to form a vast, electronic image, yet far enough apart to allow occupants to look outside.

"My intent is to do something so unique that people will drive downtown to see it," said Astani, who moved to the United States in 1976. "It will make the building famous for the people who live there."

Astani's proposal is only the latest controversial effort to bring massive advertising and colorful light shows to the neighborhood anchored by Staples Center and L.A. Live, the hotel and entertainment complex that includes the recently opened Nokia Theatre.

Civic boosters promised two years ago that L.A. Live would transform Figueroa's entertainment district into Times Square West -- a California counterpart to the bright lights and in-your-face advertising seen at Broadway and 42nd Street in Manhattan.

Although much of L.A. Live is under construction, the district around Staples already has some of those colorful lights, including the red squares that percolate like soda bubbles on the exterior of the Met Lofts and the spotlights at Nokia Theatre that strafe the sky, giving concerts and games the look of a Hollywood premiere.

Astani's plan seeks the creation of a special district where at least two high-rises could be partly covered with rows of tiny panels embedded with LEDs, or light-emitting diodes -- a concept viewed by some at City Hall as the next frontier in outdoor advertising.

Although office towers in Los Angeles already have "supergraphics" -- enormous vinyl sheets stretched across one side of a building -- those images are static. Should Astani succeed, sign companies looking to show animated advertising could view the city's high-rises as enormous, blank canvases.

So far, the concept has been greeted skeptically by neighborhood activists west of downtown, who said the new light shows on the Nokia Theatre already have had a profound effect on their night sky.

"I'm not some shrinking violet afraid of the urban environment," said Mitzi March Mogul, who lives three miles east of downtown. "We used to see the klieg lights for the Carthay Circle Theater or Grauman's Chinese. But it wasn't all the time. Most nights you could look up and actually see stars, and now you can't. There's nothing left."

The Pico Union Neighborhood Council has taken up the issue of the L.A. Live spotlights, with some members calling for their removal. Anschutz Entertainment Group, the developer of L.A. Live, said it has begun talks with city officials to address some of the complaints.

"We're still developing the entertainment district and fine-tuning all of the elements of it," said AEG spokesman Michael Roth. "And we feel all of the audio and visual elements are appropriate for the location."

Meanwhile, more signs are on the way.

In November, the City Council approved Fig Central, a hotel and condominium complex across from Staples Center that will have at least one 330-foot-long band of animated advertising. And at least seven more electronic signs are planned for the rest of L.A. Live, according to city officials.

The courtyard outside Nokia Theatre has 12 LED signs -- enormous screens that intersperse concert footage with advertisements for cellular phones and Coca-Cola. The theater is adorned with more screens and billboards, a fact that disappoints some neighbors.

"When I drive back here at night, I'm astounded that that kind of illumination is permissible," said Victor Citrin, a teacher who lives three blocks from the theater. "What Nokia has turned into is just a giant billboard of massive ads."

Councilwoman Jan Perry, who represents the Figueroa Corridor, said the neighborhood could eventually "hit a breaking point" in terms of brightness. But she sounded intrigued by Astani's plan, which would put a sign on the project known as Concerto, and a second on a high-rise planned next door.

"It might actually be beautiful," she said. "It might actually be art, as opposed to just ads."

Los Angeles has long had a love-hate relationship with outdoor advertising. The City Council first attempted to regulate billboards in 1899, when many signs were simply plastered on fences for the benefit of those who traveled by horse or trolley.

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is anybody just tired of doing things for the sake of impact alone? trying to outshine, out-yell, out-dazzle, out-flash the next guy? there's no winning - especially when your city is mimicking something unique to another's, in such a self-conscious fashion that it will do that much more to ensure your own city never develops its own iconfident identity. as far as i'm concerned, LA has always been and will probably always be NY's bitch for this reason. Where NY is Gucci, LA is Guchi. Where NY is Polo by Ralph Lauren, LA is Polo by Polo Man. LA is a perennial cheap knock-off of something authentic. And I hate these smart-ass "free-thinkers" who take the existential step back and inject that trite, catch-all justification that LA's knock-off status is ironically what's authentic about LA, as though to add a back-story of depth to dubya's stupidity when we should all just accept that he is plain ol' stupid - it's such a moral cop-out (you listening vangelist? )

not to mention some generic crap-city with higher aspirations and fewer restrictions, such as dubai, vegas, or some chinese place will always win at this game anyhow. LA should focus on quality for once in it's history - the immediate, find its own solutions to its own challenges. Class has no price, because its ultimate measure is fortitude and good taste, both of which LA lacks. What LA does not lack is the willingness to appear classy - put a price on class, in the most figurative sense. LA is not the real thing because it does not know/appreciate what "real" is. it is too busy chasing the idea of real.

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I like the animated advertisement idea..its unfortunate its facing the freeway though...
As opposed to putting it on the other tower and have it face 2 buildings?
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is anybody just tired of doing things for the sake of impact alone?
In the case of Astani's plans for Concerto...absolutely not. Great idea!

Anyways, just a general downtown comment. I was driving through downtown on Friday night and there were a lot of people walking to bars/clubs in the Financial District. Same for Saturday night, with the rain and all. I haven't seen this many people walk the streets outside of the business rush hour. I think downtown has arrived......
     
     
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I think the argument that LA cant put advertisements on buildings or build tall skyscrappers or whatever crap people throw out there is ridiculous. Suddenly new york has a monopoly on these things? They aren't a natural progression of a market economy?
     
     
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Nope. Not if it's interesting and long lasting.

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LOL. Before fully reading your reply that I had written nearly that exact argument. But what the heck, it's true. This whole concept of a billboard from a movie becoming real is so LA. Where else in the world would this work?
     
     
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In the case of Astani's plans for Concerto...absolutely not. Great idea!

Anyways, just a general downtown comment. I was driving through downtown on Friday night and there were a lot of people walking to bars/clubs in the Financial District. Same for Saturday night, with the rain and all. I haven't seen this many people walk the streets outside of the business rush hour. I think downtown has arrived......
I dont think downtown has arrived yet. I think by 2010, Hollywood will TRULY arrive, and by 2012, downtown LA will truly arrive. Right now, they are both arriv"ing".
     
     
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In the case of Astani's plans for Concerto...absolutely not. Great idea!

Anyways, just a general downtown comment. I was driving through downtown on Friday night and there were a lot of people walking to bars/clubs in the Financial District. Same for Saturday night, with the rain and all. I haven't seen this many people walk the streets outside of the business rush hour. I think downtown has arrived......
I don't live downtown, but I've been noticing the same thing. It's not exactly mid-town Manhattan (or even Manhattan Beach ) but the difference between now and a few years ago is incredible. I can remember going downtown to check out the new projects in early 2005. The streets in the financial district and south park were so empty that it was almost disconcerting. Even the restaurants that were open had no pedestrian activity. People would drive into the parking garage or valet and never travel more than a block.

The only activity used to be on Broadway and in the fashion district. Little Tokyo had some activity, but not like now.

Now when I go downtown there are restaurants, people walking, lots of residents and visitors. Also many more people take the train to Staples than they did 2-3 years ago. And the people attending events come early so that they can eat downtown. They used to get in and out as quickly as possible. And more of the business crowd is staying after work and visiting bars and restaurants. Downtown is a much more active place than a couple of years ago.
     
     
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I dont think downtown has arrived yet. I think by 2010, Hollywood will TRULY arrive, and by 2012, downtown LA will truly arrive. Right now, they are both arriv"ing".
Tomayto, tomahto. Downtown is now a self-sustained community. It's not where it will be in a couple of years, but it's past the tipping point. Now when people talk about decent areas around LA to live downtown almost always gets mentioned as an option. Not just in the news media and geeky internet sites, but regular people are aware of it.
     
     
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I don't know about Friday, but I know on Saturday, there was a massive amount (hundreds) of good-looking teenagers and young adults, all over downtown, especially around 7th/Fig and South Park. They all had tags or passes hanging around their neck, so I assume they were part of something that was being filmed. Music video, maybe. Anyway, it was an incredible feeling seeing the area overflowing with people at Starbucks, the Ralphs outdoor seating being completely used up, etc.

On another note -- what is the Ritz Milner Hotel? Has that always been there? Any connection with the new Orchid Hotel next door?
     
     
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is anybody just tired of doing things for the sake of impact alone? trying to outshine, out-yell, out-dazzle, out-flash the next guy? there's no winning - especially when your city is mimicking something unique to another's, in such a self-conscious fashion that it will do that much more to ensure your own city never develops its own iconfident identity. as far as i'm concerned, LA has always been and will probably always be NY's bitch for this reason. Where NY is Gucci, LA is Guchi. Where NY is Polo by Ralph Lauren, LA is Polo by Polo Man. LA is a perennial cheap knock-off of something authentic. And I hate these smart-ass "free-thinkers" who take the existential step back and inject that trite, catch-all justification that LA's knock-off status is ironically what's authentic about LA, as though to add a back-story of depth to dubya's stupidity when we should all just accept that he is plain ol' stupid - it's such a moral cop-out (you listening vangelist? )

not to mention some generic crap-city with higher aspirations and fewer restrictions, such as dubai, vegas, or some chinese place will always win at this game anyhow. LA should focus on quality for once in it's history - the immediate, find its own solutions to its own challenges. Class has no price, because its ultimate measure is fortitude and good taste, both of which LA lacks. What LA does not lack is the willingness to appear classy - put a price on class, in the most figurative sense. LA is not the real thing because it does not know/appreciate what "real" is. it is too busy chasing the idea of real.

I can introduce you to some realtors in NY if you like. Im sure you would be very happy there...Im sure we would be happy with you there too.

Now, I last nite while driving on the 101 downtown, I saw a large crane and the frame of a large structure just on the north side of the fwy. Im not entirely sure i know what that is...can anyone elaborate?
     
     
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Oh...and this is an open question. I have been reading this forum for over a year now, and I have noticed it has gone from a legit forum on the development of downtown to a sounding board on people's half cocked opinions on politics, world issues and personal grudges?
I totally agree with Easy and LAofAnaheim on the energy downtown. I was down there about three weeks ago on a Monday night around 7pm, and there was more street level activity there than when I was driving through Hollywood on Sunset about an hour later.
Despite the constant comparisons to that other big city on the other coast, LA holds its own, only the insecurity of east coast elitists draws a negative comparison.
     
     
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Regarding the large number of people milling about the Financial District and South Park this past Friday and Saturday: There was a "marathon" Garth Brooks charity concert event for victims of the California wildfires involving 5 separate concerts within a 24 hour period at Staples Center between Friday and Saturday. While not exactly my cup of tea, I imagine that would bring a large number of folks downtown with a lot of overlap between concerts.
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I can introduce you to some realtors in NY if you like. Im sure you would be very happy there...Im sure we would be happy with you there too.

Now, I last nite while driving on the 101 downtown, I saw a large crane and the frame of a large structure just on the north side of the fwy. Im not entirely sure i know what that is...can anyone elaborate?
Could this have been LAUSD High School #9? Sorta opposite of the cathedral? Check it out on first page of this thread.
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^ ^ Yeah, it was a trip seeing a bunch of people crossing Figueroa wearing cowboy boots and hats Saturday afternoon. Not something you see every day downtown.

In regards to edluva's comments, I agree with him somewhat as it directly applies to the Concerto electronic billboard. While some people may see it as something innovative and new, it's really not, outside of the technology behind it. LA has had big ads on the side of buildings for some time - think the monstrous ads on the storage building on Highland and Santa Monica or the ads on the sides of buildings on Sunset Blvd.

The only difference here is that this sign is lit up and can animate. That in itself isn't innovative. What would have been innovative would have been to replace the spaced screens with small solar power panels to help power the building. Instead of broadcasting a message out of the building, it would be drawing energy in. That would have been truly innovative from a functional perspective, and given LA's newfound concern for the environment, would probably be a much better selling point for the building.

I know a lot of people, including myself, who like to be "in the center of it all", but not one of them would be comfortable telling someone they live behind a giant advertisement. So from a sales perspective, the reasoning for this billboard is flawed. And Jan Perry's comment is just ludicrous. Anyone who considers advertisement art is delusional. And this is coming from someone who works in advertising. Yes, advertising can be high-concept and high-design, but it is commerce and nothing else.

That being said, I'm not against ads on buildings, or even electronic ads on buildings, but this execution is even further flawed in that it addresses the freeway, not the pedestrians on the ground. These ads should be focused on livening up and energizing the streetscape, not lighting up the sky for passing cars. Of course the last laugh will come when someone eventually builds a tall building on the surface parking lot across the street, effectively cutting off visibility of the signs from most of the 110. Then this huge investment - and the potential revenues to the HOA - won't seem so innovative or valuable.
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L.A. to announce Broadway makeover
City officials are set to kick off a new campaign to redesign the bustling street, fixing up movie palaces and restoring buildings.
By Cara Di Massa and Ari B. Bloomekatz
Los Angeles Times Staff Writers

January 28, 2008

City officials today will announce a new campaign to remake downtown Los Angeles' historic Broadway corridor by redesigning the bustling street, fixing up some of the grand movie palaces and restoring the fading facades of buildings.

The city and private developers have earmarked nearly $40 million to begin the effort this year, hoping to pull the gentrification that has swept much of downtown into the district's main commercial area. They envision many of the movie facades giving way to a live "theater district" forming on the street, with a trolley car system running down its center.

But the revitalization is already creating something of a culture clash. While the downtown development boom has brought thousands of mostly white-collar professionals into lofts and luxury high-rises, Broadway has for decades been the premier shopping destination for working-class Latinos.

Along the rows of bridal shops, discount stores and shopping arcades, some Broadway merchants agree the street could use a face-lift but wonder if the city's plans include them.

"On one side, I like the idea," said Marina Martinez, 28, who works at Teresa's Bridal, between 7th and 8th streets. "The only thing is that I don't think they want our types of businesses."

As downtown's building boom continues, it mirrors a debate being played out in other parts of the city center as well.

Broadway, which cuts through the heart of downtown, has long been one of the city's best barometers of demographic and social change.

Before World War II, it was considered by many to be the center of the city, where residents far and wide came by car and street trolley to catch movies at ornate theaters, such as the Globe, Orpheum and Million Dollar, and shop at department stores.

After the war, even as downtown declined, Broadway continued to bustle -- catering to the growing Latino immigrant population settling in neighborhoods to the east and west of the area.

The department stores and theaters closed, but Broadway's businesses thrived, so much so that in the early 1990s some store rents were higher than those in Beverly Hills.

The "Bringing Back Broadway" campaign will begin with a series of street and landscape improvements, including beautifying crosswalks, adding trees and plants and possibly widening sidewalks.

A central focus this year will be restoring the district's rich but crumbling architectural heritage. Many of the movie theaters have fallen into disuse and disrepair, and some were razed years ago in favor of parking lots. Other commercial buildings, with ornate architectural details in Art Deco, beaux-arts and Baroque styles, have sat vacant or are being used only on their ground floors.

Officials hope that some of the movie palaces can be used for live performances and that building owners can find uses -- such as residential space -- for the upper floors of many vacant Broadway buildings.

"This is the last linchpin of downtown that needs attention," said City Councilman Jose Huizar. "I consider Broadway just as important [to L.A. history] as Olvera Street. We should not let one of our major historical avenues continue to be neglected."

Huizar, whose district includes the Broadway corridor and who is leading the revitalization effort, said this campaign is different from previous attempts because it has the support of property owners and city officials. He and other supporters believe the "new" Broadway can coexist with the "old" Broadway.

Steve Needleman, owner of the Orpheum Theater, said Broadway has been challenged in recent years by other areas catering to Latino immigrants.

"It's going through a transition because of competition," he said. "It's just happening. There are other shopping opportunities."

Needleman noted that Broadway needs to change to better serve the needs of the more than 20,000 new residents who have moved into downtown lofts and high-rise condos over the last five years. The number of new residents is expected to double as more buildings are completed.

"There are homeowners on this street now. You can't take that away," he said. "And they have demands here; they are living here all the time."

Broadway still packs in shoppers -- particularly during weekend days. But it's largely deserted at night -- something that could change with the addition of theaters and sit-down eateries.

"We want a mix," Needleman said. "I don't want to see it just become an entertainment district . . . and hopefully, that's part of what will happen."

The projects being announced today are the first steps in what officials hope will be a much more ambitious effort. The city has committed $16.5 million, and private property owners will add $20 million for this phase. Officials are also studying the idea of creating a trolley line that would run along Broadway, and perhaps even banning cars. But those plans are only in the beginning stages and would be far more costly than the street improvements and theater renovations.

Merchants along Broadway are torn by the gentrification that has swept downtown. Many agree that the changes have made the area safer, but they worry that their base clientele -- immigrants, some here illegally -- feel less comfortable being there.

Doris Vasquez, 43, is a cook at Casa India, a small Mexican restaurant on Broadway, between 3rd and 4th streets, where she spends long spans of time flattening dough and mixing fresh drinks of tamarind and horchata.

She says Broadway has changed and that making a living there is increasingly difficult.

"A lot of people used to walk around. Now there's not as many," she said. "It's the economy."

When she started working downtown 10 years ago, Vasquez said, business was booming and it was common for immigrants, documented and undocumented, to flood the streets of Broadway during the day. She said the new residential development, along with a beefed up police presence, has scared off some illegal immigrants, though the business is staying afloat.

She could see the Broadway plan drawing more shoppers, but not the kind that would go to her restaurant.

The city has been talking about changes on Broadway for decades, but this marks the first time a large amount of money has been dedicated to the effort.

Some question whether Broadway needs a face-lift. UCLA law professor Gary Blasi noted that the Latino-oriented businesses have stood the test of time.

"Unless you have a different vision, aesthetically and ethnically, then why?" Blasi said.
     
     
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is anybody just tired of doing things for the sake of impact alone? trying to outshine, out-yell, out-dazzle, out-flash the next guy? there's no winning - especially when your city is mimicking something unique to another's, in such a self-conscious fashion that it will do that much more to ensure your own city never develops its own iconfident identity. as far as i'm concerned, LA has always been and will probably always be NY's bitch for this reason. Where NY is Gucci, LA is Guchi. Where NY is Polo by Ralph Lauren, LA is Polo by Polo Man. LA is a perennial cheap knock-off of something authentic. And I hate these smart-ass "free-thinkers" who take the existential step back and inject that trite, catch-all justification that LA's knock-off status is ironically what's authentic about LA, as though to add a back-story of depth to dubya's stupidity when we should all just accept that he is plain ol' stupid - it's such a moral cop-out (you listening vangelist? )

not to mention some generic crap-city with higher aspirations and fewer restrictions, such as dubai, vegas, or some chinese place will always win at this game anyhow. LA should focus on quality for once in it's history - the immediate, find its own solutions to its own challenges. Class has no price, because its ultimate measure is fortitude and good taste, both of which LA lacks. What LA does not lack is the willingness to appear classy - put a price on class, in the most figurative sense. LA is not the real thing because it does not know/appreciate what "real" is. it is too busy chasing the idea of real.

This SHOULD NOT be something that is exclusive to New York, Vegas, Dubai, Shanghai or Tokyo. In fact, they belong HERE. That's right, HERE. For all of our claim to be the Entertainment capital of the world, we sure as hell don't show it. What would truly capitalize that is if our city became the LED capital of the world, no doubt about it.

Is everyone forgetting that the first city in America to put up Neon signs is NOT, I repeat, NOT New York OR Vegas?
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I think the argument that LA cant put advertisements on buildings or build tall skyscrappers or whatever crap people throw out there is ridiculous. Suddenly new york has a monopoly on these things? They aren't a natural progression of a market economy?
I most certainly agree. Check my comment above.
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its true that the nightlife is constantly getting better downtown. I was doing some barhopping downtown last night, and every bar i went to was packed and full of life. That afternoon I also was at the Murakami exhibit at the MOCA, which was so popular that the line to get in went outside the museum and across the street. What was cool though was that a lot of people were spilling out from that into little Tokyo and patronizing the businesses. Overall it was a beautiful day in downtown.

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Now, I last nite while driving on the 101 downtown,
I too was on that fwy Sat night & noticed the searchlights of LA Live off in the distance, to the south, which were mentioned in the article posted by easy. Their beams were being reflected in an interesting pattern on the cloud cover. They definitely made it quite clear that something was up in that part of DT, even when seen from a few miles north around the civic ctr.


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"I'm not some shrinking violet afraid of the urban environment," said Mitzi March Mogul, who lives three miles east of downtown. "We used to see the klieg lights for the Carthay Circle Theater or Grauman's Chinese. But it wasn't all the time. Most nights you could look up and actually see stars, and now you can't. There's nothing left."

The Pico Union Neighborhood Council has taken up the issue of the L.A. Live spotlights, with some members calling for their removal. Anschutz Entertainment Group, the developer of L.A. Live, said it has begun talks with city officials to address some of the complaints.

"When I drive back here at night, I'm astounded that that kind of illumination is permissible," said Victor Citrin, a teacher who lives three blocks from the theater. "What Nokia has turned into is just a giant billboard of massive ads."
Mitzi Mogul must be quite elderly (the Cathay Circle theater was torn down eons ago), so change---good or bad----often is a shock or inconvenience to such ppl. And though she claims otherwise, her unhappiness really may be no more than what eventually leads to NIMBYism all over the place. If so, such ppl really may be better off living in a secluded hood in the Valley or OC.

As for Victor Citrin, I wonder if he's more bothered by the billboards of LA Live or what the hood was like several yrs ago, when it was mostly dark & dead at night?

When it comes to the Concerto condo tower, based on this illustration it looks like it won't be as tall as I originally thought (& hoped) it would be. I had the wrong impression that it was going to have a clearly higher profile than the Hanover tower.


And since it shows FIDM's proposed tower, which I'm assuming will house apts only for students, & therefore falls into a special category niche----sort of like the federal courthouse at 1st & Broadway----I wonder if that means it's less likely or more likely to break ground in 2008?

Such projs don't compete directly with devlpt that is 100% investor & profit driven. OTOH, such projs also may have a tougher time getting funding, either from govt agencies or the adminstration of a school.


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I'm still puzzled by what's going on at the site of the Medallion. Most of it appears to be at street level, & yet there's also been enough excavation to create a large temporary hill. That dirt is from a pit that goes several ft below the level of the sidewalk. But for what? A kind of small underground parking lot?

Whatever the case, one reason it will be less of a letdown if no new projs begin construction this yr is because of ongoing work on bldgs like the Medallion, whose progress can be kept track of, esp once they start rising above street level.


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its true that the nightlife is constantly getting better downtown. I was doing some barhopping downtown last night, and every bar i went to was packed and full of life. That afternoon I also was at the Murakami exhibit at the MOCA, which was so popular that the line to get in went outside the museum and and across the street. What was cool though was that a lot of people were spilling at from that into little Tokyo and patronizing the businesses.
Your posting, & similar ones from just-In-Cali, easy, karLarRec1, LAofAnaheim, are almost as good---if not just as good---as ones that say "they've just broken ground on parkfifth!" or "I saw them finally starting to scrape away the asphalt on the site of LA central!!" It's great (& a relief) to read descriptions of continuing signs that the hood is starting to come into its own.

Meanwhile, (sorry) to end off with a downer....









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LA is not the real thing because it does not know/appreciate what "real" is.
Huh?! Too vague, too imprecise. Too much like something from Philosophy 101 or "Constructs in Sociology", especially if it were a lecture hosted by someone like this.

More importantly, I'd say the city is real enough:


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Concerto will be taller than Hanover. That rendering isn't correct.
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