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maru2501 · #**32701** Posted **Apr 1, 2016, 9:33 PM**

that sloping area looks cool

J_M_Tungsten · #**32702** Posted **Apr 1, 2016, 10:09 PM**

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Originally Posted by jc5680

Wow. They are hustling on this project. Are they painting or primering the walls on Wacker? I thought they would knock down that concrete rail to make a flush entrance to the start/finish of the new Riverwalk. This may be stretch, but could they logistically (probably 50 years) connect to the new River Line project to this? That would really be something.

LouisVanDerWright · #**32703** Posted **Apr 1, 2016, 10:25 PM**

^^^ Probably not all that difficult, the bridges on the South Branch tend to have very high clearances because of the Union Station tracks and many of the buildings along this stretch already have accessible, but isolated, riverfronts. I could see a relatively simple project to connect the sections between Congress and the confluence which would just about do it in terms of connecting this to River Line.

Mr Downtown · #**32704** Posted **Apr 1, 2016, 11:16 PM**

^Could be, but I wouldn't count on the feds allowing the channel to be narrowed more than about 4 feet in the Washington-Madison-Monroe area.

jc5680 · #**32705** Posted **Apr 1, 2016, 11:45 PM**

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Originally Posted by J_M_Tungsten

Wow. They are hustling on this project. Are they painting or primering the walls on Wacker?

Graffiti cover up

Tom Servo · #**32706** Posted **Apr 2, 2016, 1:20 AM**

Anytime you see big, ugly brown rectangles like this it's Daley's Graffiti Blasters, a multi-million dollar waste of a program.

Busy Bee · #**32707** Posted **Apr 2, 2016, 1:41 AM**

^And every time they paint out fresh graffiti like that they're effectively priming bare concrete which, if nothing else, makes a great surface for new graffiti. I speak from experience as I used to write a bit back when I was younger and dumber.

streetline · #**32708** Posted **Apr 2, 2016, 1:53 AM**

Connecting the Riverwalk to River Line at the river level might be problematic due to the narrowness of the south branch downtown.

On the other hand, connecting the Riverwalk to River Line via the street level Riverside Plaza on the west bank would only require a three block extension to the south from Jackson to Harrison. And two of those three blocks are next to the old post office, so if that finally gets redeveloped, we'll have a good start.

ardecila · #**32709** Posted **Apr 2, 2016, 2:35 AM**

It's a shame there are so many stairs on the Riverside Plaza, it would be great to create a bikeway there.

Tom Servo · #**32710** Posted **Apr 2, 2016, 3:11 AM**

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Originally Posted by Busy Bee

^And every time they paint out fresh graffiti like that they're effectively priming bare concrete which, if nothing else, makes a great surface for new graffiti. I speak from experience as I used to write a bit back when I was younger and dumber.

Whatever the case. The GB program is a total waste of money. And that awful brown is often, if not always, worse than the graffiti.

tjp · #**32711** Posted **Apr 2, 2016, 12:37 PM**

More about the Cedar St. development in Uptown. I'm so excited about this. 700+ units in a current rundown office building and surface parking lot.

http://www.uptownupdate.com/2016/04/...opment-of.html

the urban politician · #**32712** Posted **Apr 2, 2016, 3:08 PM**

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Originally Posted by Tom Servo

Whatever the case. The GB program is a total waste of money. And that awful brown is often, if not always, worse than the graffiti.

It's not a total waste of money.

Some loser gangsters sprayed their gang symbols on the sidewalk in front of one of my rental properties a while back. Through the Alderman I got it cleared up, although it took a while

Busy Bee · #**32713** Posted **Apr 2, 2016, 3:21 PM**

Well I'm not going to go down the rabbit hole of crime vs. art, but the vast majority of "tags" are not gang graffiti, there the nom de plumes of usually alienated, creative and clever as hell youngsters and twenty-somethings who get a high from defacing property and spreading fame of said nom de plume. That has nothing to do with marking territory for drug slinging, criminal street gangs.

LouisVanDerWright · #**32714** Posted **Apr 2, 2016, 3:29 PM**

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Originally Posted by Busy Bee

Well I'm not going to go down the rabbit hole of crime vs. art, but the vast majority of "tags" are not gang graffiti, there the nom de plumes of usually alienated, creative and clever as hell youngsters and twenty-somethings who get a high from defacing property and spreading fame of said nom de plume. That has nothing to do with marking territory for drug slinging, criminal street gangs.

Surely you are joking, maybe this is true in Wicker Park where misguided hipsters who go by the name "pizza" spraypaint pizza's on everything, but where I live 90%+ of the tags are gang related. Deuces, Kings, Insane disciples, etc all day long. Whenever a rash of tags happens then you start hearing gunshots in our otherwise peaceful neighborhood. I can't say that I've even seen non-gang related tags in my area outside of Milwaukee Ave where the occasional hipster paints a slice of pizza on the side of a mailbox.

Tags a very much a way of marking gang territory and should be extinguished immediately as soon as they appear. There are enough willing building owners in this city that sanction true artists to use their walls. We don't need to allow morons with a can of black paint to be putting upside down crowns all over the place pissing off the kings and causing violence.

the urban politician · #**32715** Posted **Apr 2, 2016, 3:38 PM**

Yep, mine was a Latin Kings tag

PKDickman · #**32716** Posted **Apr 2, 2016, 5:43 PM**

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Originally Posted by LouisVanDerWright

Surely you are joking, maybe this is true in Wicker Park where misguided hipsters who go by the name "pizza" spraypaint pizza's on everything, but where I live 90%+ of the tags are gang related. Deuces, Kings, Insane disciples, etc all day long. Whenever a rash of tags happens then you start hearing gunshots in our otherwise peaceful neighborhood. I can't say that I've even seen non-gang related tags in my area outside of Milwaukee Ave where the occasional hipster paints a slice of pizza on the side of a mailbox.

Tags a very much a way of marking gang territory and should be extinguished immediately as soon as they appear. There are enough willing building owners in this city that sanction true artists to use their walls. We don't need to allow morons with a can of black paint to be putting upside down crowns all over the place pissing off the kings and causing violence.

As a 30 plus year Wicker Parker, I can say 99.99% of our tags are suburban nitwits with rattle cans. I miss the days of gang tags, at least they served some purpose beyond property damage.

That said, I cleaned my first legitimate gang tag in decades*, off my door.
Apparently the Latin Kings and the Spanish Lords are in some p!ss!ng contest with the Maniac Latin Disciples and the Spanish Cobras and Western Ave appears to be the battleground.

*(I don't count the IUK tags back around 2008. My opinion is that they were just old timers revisiting the old neighborhood and re-living their glory days. As such, they count as suburban nitwits with rattle cans)