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LOL, I just saw that article a couple of minutes ago, too!
But I think that is an exaggeration. I mean, look at Florida; which-for a time- was the fastest growing state.....so how could it be us?

Through it all, maybe it's wise to look at the positives:

L.A. Live is well on it's way, and no recession can stop that!




But i'm still sad!!!!!!!!!!
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With the recent news about the Grand Ave proj, & a lack of news about LA Central & the Glass Tower, & reports several months ago about one of the funders for Parkfifth dropping out of that condo proj, I wonder if hoping to see groundbreaking this yr on even short, wood framed bldgs in DTLA is expecting too much?

If a big proj under actual construction still isn't enough to guarantee that it will stick to a reasonable time schedule, what does that say about big projs that haven't even broken ground yet? Not much better is the meaning, if any, of a construction barricade being installed by a devlpr, such as the one around the site for LA Central.



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$3 billion Cosmopolitan casino project faces foreclosure in Vegas

The developer of the $3 billion Cosmopolitan Resort & Casino says its lender, Deutsche Bank, filed a notice of foreclosure on the property for a construction loan of $760 million that just matured. Developer and owner Ian Bruce Eichner says in a statement that his company is working with Deutsche Bank and Merrill Lynch to find new investors.

Eichner tells The Associated Press in the statement that, "This action by our lender comes as no surprise."

He blames challenges in the real estate and capital markets for difficulty in raising capital for the project, which is now under construction.

The 3,000-room high-rise casino and hotel is due to open in late 2009 between the Bellagio casino resort and the CityCenter casino complex on the Las Vegas Strip.
     
     
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Las Vegas is a different story; they overbuilt; we didn't.
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^ I'd agree if the proj were mainly or only condos. But it appears to be a hotel & casino.

So if a proj that's already under construction, that's catering to a very strong mkt, still runs into problems with financing, what does that imply about projs in DTLA, where demand for hotels isn't half as good as it is in LV, & where sales of condos has slowed down?




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by Benjamin Spillman
Las Vegas Gaming Wire

LAS VEGAS, Nevada -- It's times like these when another 33,000 hotel rooms would come in handy. Las Vegas visitation was nearly flat in August compared to the same month in 2006. But it wasn't because people quit going on vacation to drink, gamble and overeat.

The hotels just didn't have rooms beyond those already taken by the 3.4 million people who visited Las Vegas during the month, an increase of less than 1 percent from the previous August.

The occupancy rate for the month was more than 91 percent, the seventh consecutive month with a rate higher than 90 percent. Nationally, hotel occupancy rates are about 63 percent, with hotels in popular business or tourism districts reaching 75 percent, according to hospitality industry data.

"My perception is it is a very strong month," said Kevin Bagger, director of Internet marketing and research at the Las Vegas Convention and Visitors Authority, the group that tracks Las Vegas tourism figures.

For the year, occupancy is more than 91 percent and visitation is above 26.3 million, about 1 percent ahead of the pace from last year. Historically high occupancy rates explain why the Strip is in the midst of a building boom that will result in another 33,000 hotel rooms and residential units by 2010 at a cost of about $29 billion.
     
     
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Vacancy in Las Vegas will probably plummet pretty soon here; at least for the condos.

So are you saying that in a sense, hotels are safe? Because if that's the case, the Grand Ave. Project should survive.
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I am ready to watch LA live's hotel rise, and for people, and more importantly, businesses move into south park. In 5 years, people will forget downtown was ever off limits just like people forget hollywood was off limits.

Hollywood used to be a associated as the major red-light district of california. Now Hollywood is a euphemism for trendy clubs with over the top decor and overzealous bouncers. It isnt a great euphemism, but it is better than before. That happened in only 5 years time. Whether or not the market goes up or down, the VALUE of hollywood rose 400%. Even if prices for a 2-bdrm fall to 400k instead of 600k, that same 2-bdrm would have cost 100k in 1998. Hollywood has largely recovered,thanks in large part to its image.

The point i am trying to make is people's perceptions of areas are a very strong factor on whether or not the areas will see a huge renassaince.

In 1999, Downtown was considered a blighted ghost town and the center of CA's homeless population. By 2010, that might be largley forgotten (like Santa Monicas 3rd and Pasadenas old town) and downtown LA might just be affectionately known as "town" or "the city". When I tell people I am going to hollywood, they dont look at me like I am crazy. When I tell people I am going to downtown, some still look at me funny. If in 5 years, no one looks at me funny for saying I am going DT, then all is well.

I could care less about park fifth. What I care about is downtowns image over the next 5 years.
     
     
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^ ^ ^

You have a good point. Unfortunately some people exaggerate that today's Urban Cities aren't going to change in the long-term.
They think that we are ALWAYS going to be stuck on oil, that it is IMPOSSIBLE to lower Greenhouse Gases, that China and India are going to make EVERYTHING worse for us, and that people will NEVER decide to take Mass Transit.

And if anyone thinks that sounds pathetic by using the smilies here to express it, or if they think I'm embarrassing myself, that's truly sad.
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Related: Grand Avenue's Work Schedule Hasn't Changed


Thursday, January 17, 2008, by Dakota
Today, LAist.com posted on Grand Avenue, citing those negative comments made by Frank Gehry and the ground-breaking push back news. We asked Related's press rep for an update on the project, and specifically asked about the ground-breaking push back. Here's their statement: "The preliminary date for a groundbreaking ceremony is being revised due to the personal schedules of several key participants. The project’s work schedule hasn’t changed. We still plan to begin demolition of the garage in February.

"The schedule of the groundbreaking is symbolic and built around availability of multiple participants. It has little to do with the actual schedule. The total construction schedule is still about 45 months from now, and that hasn’t changed.”
· Nobody holds a press conference when it's bad news [LAist.com]
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^ When I heard that the Grand Ave proj's completion date was in 2011, I was hoping that referred to the 2nd phase. But, unfortunately, no. So the proj will require more than 3 solid yrs from today til it's finished?!

But I'm gonna go over actual demolition finally----FINALLY!!!----beginning on the fugly parking structure. That alone will be worth the price of admission.


Grand Avenue Groundbreaking Delayed

Developer Says $3 Billion Project Still on Schedule, With First Phase to Open in 2011

by Anna Scott

A groundbreaking ceremony for the $3 billion Grand Avenue project has been pushed back from March until at least the summer, officials with developer Related Cos. confirmed last week. It marks the third time that the public kickoff for the massive Bunker Hill effort has been postponed. However, Related Cos. President Bill Witte said the development is on track to meet its most recently announced timeline, with phase one slated for completion in 2011. He also maintained that the project's financing is in order.

"The groundbreaking is more of a symbolic event," Witte told Los Angeles Downtown News last week. "It has little to do with where we are in the project schedule. We are continuing ahead, and we have the wherewithal to do it."

Designed by architect Frank Gehry, the 3.6 million-square-foot development - dubbed The Grand - is expected to eventually bring 2,600 housing units, 449,000 square feet of retail, a hotel, a grocery store and a health club to Downtown Los Angeles. The approximately $1 billion, 1.3 million-square-foot first phase of the development will include a 48-story Mandarin Oriental Hotel & Residences with 295 rooms and 266 for-sale units, a 19-story residential tower with 126 market-rate apartments and 98 affordable units, a 250,000-square-foot retail pavilion and 16-acre civic park. The towers will rise across from Walt Disney Concert Hall on the site of a current multi-level parking lot.

Related initially set the groundbreaking for October 2007, but subsequently moved it to the end of the year. As that date neared, developers said that the ceremony would take place by March. That was recently amended to an unspecified date in the summer.

The repeated delays have led some in the real estate industry to speculate that the project is facing financial uncertainty. That comes amid the nationwide credit crunch and a softening of the housing market.

"These ceremonies are important on a number of levels," said a Downtown figure experienced in large projects, who asked to remain anonymous because he did not want to publicly criticize another development. "If you're not quite there with your funding, it's often far too risky to state that you're going to start. You don't want to take the financial hit if you have to scale back your project in any way."

Marty Collins, CEO and president of Gatehouse Capital Corp., developer of the under-construction $600 million hotel, retail and condominium complex W Hollywood Hotel and Residences, agreed that for large-scale projects, construction financing is typically in place before holding a groundbreaking ceremony. But, he said, a groundbreaking delay could also reflect various considerations beyond the construction schedule. "Historically, groundbreakings have been events that are tied to the commencement of construction," Collins said, "but more recently, these are largely ceremonial marketing events."

Despite the delays, Witte maintains that the project is financially stable. "The most important part of these deals is equity, which we anticipate to be 25% to 30% of the cost" for phase one, he said. "That is in place. As we begin site work, we will then get a construction loan to provide the balance of the financing. The issues in today's markets are not construction loans per se, but rather the equity that underpins them. As far as we are concerned, we have the necessary financing in place."

Securing that remaining funding in the slowing market, however, could come with additional hurdles, said Jack Kyser, senior vice president and chief economist for the Los Angeles County Economic Development Corp. "They are in a somewhat unusual spot," Kyser said of Related Cos. "Right now, you have a financial system that has almost completely seized up. There is so much fear of risk, they are probably going to leap over higher hurdles."

Still, he added, the developer is probably in a better position than most. "Related has a track record." Kyser said. "They will probably get their funding, but they're going to burn a little more midnight oil than they planned on."

Staying the Course

Despite the uncertainty in the real estate industry - including in Downtown, where several condominium projects have slowed or changed course to rental units - Witte said there are no plans to downsize or alter The Grand.

"Nobody who's in real estate today isn't somewhat concerned about the environment," said Witte, "but I do believe that even in this climate, Downtown is faring as good or better than other sub-markets. The way things have played out, we would rather be where we are than opening at the end of '08. We also know that we are getting very, very strong responses for an incredibly high-caliber level of retail and restaurants. We're doing better than we thought we might."

Last month, Related began lead paint abatement on the parking garage at Grand Avenue and First Street, which the company expects to demolish on schedule next month, Witte said. Construction on the $50 million park is expected to begin in the fall, with the opening slated for 2010. The hotel and retail pavilion are scheduled to debut in early 2011, and the residential towers are anticipated to open that summer.

In the meantime, Ninth District Councilwoman Jan Perry, who has been closely involved in the plan's development, said that any speculation about the project potentially changing course is "premature." "I think most projects built in this city of this magnitude always experience bumps in the road," said Perry, who noted that Related paid for the park up front. "This is not a situation that is unusual."

Related will likely hold off on setting a specific date for the groundbreaking ceremony until demolition of the parking garage is complete, Witte said. "Because this is such a protracted schedule, we want to be really into the ground-up construction before the groundbreaking," said Witte. He added, "If we start and there's a two-month delay, you'll all be calling again, asking what's going on.

"No matter what we do, we assume that we're going to get questions about the status of the project until we're finished."
     
     
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Hmm, I wonder if they're planning the same type of ceremony that AEG created last year for the Ritz-Carlton at L.A. Live...

I recall it was HUGE; the mayor, governor, City Council members, and AEG officials were holding shovels below the soon-to-be ballroom chandelier.

In fact, the ground-breaking ceremony on the Ritz occured AFTER actual construction began.
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You have a good point. Unfortunately some people exaggerate that today's Urban Cities aren't going to change in the long-term.
They think that we are ALWAYS going to be stuck on oil, that it is IMPOSSIBLE to lower Greenhouse Gases, that China and India are going to make EVERYTHING worse for us, and that people will NEVER decide to take Mass Transit.
well, it's really not exaggerating if there's no mass transit to take. in LA, there is for all intensive purposes, no mass transit to take.
     
     
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You have a good point. Unfortunately some people exaggerate that today's Urban Cities aren't going to change in the long-term.
They think that we are ALWAYS going to be stuck on oil, that it is IMPOSSIBLE to lower Greenhouse Gases, that China and India are going to make EVERYTHING worse for us, and that people will NEVER decide to take Mass Transit.

And if anyone thinks that sounds pathetic by using the smilies here to express it, or if they think I'm embarrassing myself, that's truly sad.
Oh, our "Urban Cities" will most assuredly change in the long term:
  1. Oil extraction ceases when it's ERoEI goes negative in any given field. This is occurring on a global scale as exploitable fields are being depleted and discovery of new ones is not keeping up with demand. All that's required to disrupt the fragile system, which has come to expect and depend on stable oil supplies, is small discrepancy in demand over supply. Research the oil shocks of '73 and '79. At the time it was only temporary and artificially created, in the sense there was still oil available worldwide, but it is illustrative of the panic that ensues. A situation where it only gets worse and oil supply is declining on a global basis is in our future. So I, for one, don't think we will "ALWAYS be stuck on oil."
  2. Sometime after exploitable reserves of fossil fuels have been used up, greenhouse gasses in the atmosphere will decline without us making a conscious decision to do so. So "lowering green house gasses" is not "IMPOSSIBLE". It's just a matter of time. Will the planet remain habitable on the way to that point?
  3. China and India will just accelerate the inevitable global decline as they attempt to pursue our standard of living. Small "improvements" consume vast amounts of resources considering their crushing populations (2.5+ billion combined). I don't blame them or hold it against them. If we have the right to pursue "happiness," so do they. However, what has been defined as necessary for "happiness" is not sustainable for 7 billion humans. Without oil and other fossil fuels (see 1 above), just feeding 7 billion people isn't sustainable.
  4. People will take mass transit (where available *nods to edluva*) when they can no longer afford personal autos (see 1. above for the reason why). Otherwise, they will bicycle, walk or stay put. They will not decide, the decision will be made for them. I have friends/acquaintances abroad (in what were once relatively prosperous nations) that can no longer afford to travel to work, since it costs more round trip using any form of public or private motorized transit (and available work is too far to walk or cycle) than a days salary. We are on the same path, just have a lot further to fall. Having a huge military to help "guide" resources to our shores may help for a while.
JDRCRASH, don't take it personally, I'm not lashing out at you. At least not with this post.
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I love how delays in the Grand Avenue project are overshadowing the fact that we have more buildings over 20 stories under construction downtown at the same time than we have in 20 years. And they're starting to pick up steam. I drove by Concerto last night at 8:15 pm and counted six guys working up on the second floor under portable lights.
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Hollywood used to be a associated as the major red-light district of california. Now Hollywood is a euphemism for trendy clubs with over the top decor and overzealous bouncers. It isnt a great euphemism, but it is better than before. That happened in only 5 years time. Whether or not the market goes up or down, the VALUE of hollywood rose 400%. Even if prices for a 2-bdrm fall to 400k instead of 600k, that same 2-bdrm would have cost 100k in 1998. Hollywood has largely recovered,thanks in large part to its image.

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You couldn't get a 2 bedroom condo for under 200k in Hollywood in 1998 let alone 100k.
     
     
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I agree with citywatch. Downtown might not see as much construction as some other cities, but this is a real boom. I think that this boom was the ultimate turning point for downtown. In the past, smaller booms didn't put downtown over the tipping point, so when things picked up it still took time for investors/developers to bet on downtown. I think that has changed and downtown will now be viewed on a nearly equal footing with most other LA neighborhoods. There is no longer going to be a waiting game before people invest/buy/open stores in downtown in the future. This is a massive change for downtown and the development will continue even if at a slower pace.
     
     
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I think people have gotten a little..notsomuch greedy..but they want to see construction like how it was during the late 80's and early 90's when US Bank, 777, Gas Company, Cal Plaza 2, and Fig @ Wilshire were all built within the course of 5 years. While we might be upset to see projects break ground when we want them to (Grand Ave, LA Central), I think that downtown will continue to bloom. Downtown has made giant strides compared to how it was in 2004. We should at least be thankful for that.
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Photo Update - January 19, 2008

The line for the Murakami exhibit was ridiculously long, so I decided to take some pictures instead...

LAPD Headquarters

More cladding going on. See if you can spot the two new types of cladding.



Close-up of cladding on the west side of the building, facing Spring.



Some glass fo' dat ass on the 2nd Street side.



Making it's presence among its neighbors known. From Block 8 in Little Tokyo.




San Pedro Apartments

Speaking of Block 8, the San Pedro apartments are moving along. They still have some work to do to get completely to street level.




Mura

Pretty much done, though the 2nd Street side is still fenced off and Rose is still closed.



Landscaping on the south side looks nice. Now if they could only do something about that DWP substation (the white building on the left).




Artisan on 2nd

Not a good design by any definition, but it is infill. Looks like they should be able to open it up in a few months.




And for some retail updates, crews were hard at work at 4:00pm on Lot44 Coffee in the Douglas Building.




Oh, and the Judson C. Rives building, on 4th and Broadway has dubbed itself "The Judson", and has a new web site with photos and floor plans and such. Looks pretty nice, actually.
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So is that condo near the Cathedral on-hold, at most?
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You mean the Burger King tower? Forgot all about that thing.

And The Judson is very nice. Angelenic posted pictures on it and I was shocked at how beautiful it came out. A visual orgasm if you will.


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