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Old Posted Mar 25, 2015, 5:08 PM
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The NCC is always horny about the landscaping.
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No, the NCC will not pay for it, infact the City is paying for the land it is using by doing the road re-alignment and paying an additional 30 million for 'landscaping'. And I think the only reason the city agreed was they set a budget, and since this routing came under budget they can afford to do the NCCs bidding, instead of saving millions to put in somewhere else.

The NCC realistically should be paying for stuff, like removal of half the SJAM parkway, but that just wouldnt do I dont think.
While I was wrong in thinking that the NCC would be chipping in for the road realignment, and that's why the city was able to keep the project under budget even with the full tunnel, I do hope the fact that this federal entity is getting the waterfront park its been dreaming of leads to the project getting its desired share of funding from the feds. Wishful thinking anyway...
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Old Posted Mar 25, 2015, 6:38 PM
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Getting funding will all come down to the election campaign. Nobody is going to announce any funding beforehand, and this sort of change shouldn't make a big difference in that context.
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Old Posted Mar 31, 2015, 11:49 AM
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West end LRT route still opposed by church group

Robert Sibley, Ottawa Citizen
Published on: March 30, 2015, Last Updated: March 30, 2015 9:24 PM EDT



Despite the City of Ottawa’s commitment to mitigate as best it can the impact of the Confederation Line LRT western extension on area residents, the project still faces opposition from a church congregation whose property will be affected by the project.

“It’s going to impact 130 seniors, impact their lives for two years of construction, with all the noise and confusion and traffic that brings,” Christina O’Neil, the executive director of the seniors’ home operated by First Unitarian Congregation of Ottawa, said at a Monday evening information session on the LRT route. “We’re going to fight this. We’ll get engineers, lawyers, lobbyists to fight this.”

Early this month, the city and the NCC announced they had reached an agreement in principle to build a 1.2-kilometre portion of the LRT line underground between Cleary and Dominion stations and realign Sir John A. Macdonald Parkway. The section is part of Phase 2 of light rail construction, which would see 19 new stations and an additional 35 kilometres of track by 2023.

The agreement, which would move the proposed route 30 metres closer to the Ottawa River, addresses the NCC’s requirement for unimpeded access to lands along the river corridor and protection of mature parkland growth in the area. For its part, city’s financial concerns are satisfied with the agreement. The city has budgeted $980 million for the western extension, and the proposed alignment will supposedly stay within that budget.

Monday evening’s open house at Jean Pigott Place gave the public a chance to see what the agreement is all about in some detail. About 300 people turned out. City officials stressed that much of the plan still needs to be refined. That refinement, they said, would take into consideration public concerns and input before anything its finalized.

The areas of most concern, at least to local residents, are around Dominion and Cleary stations, with the latter the most troublesome because of the impact not only on the seniors’ residence but also the First Unitarian Church and a daycare.

The congregation owns a 2.4-hectare parcel of land adjacent to where the LRT line would begin to enter an underground tunnel and where Cleary station would be located. According to church officials, the tunnel just west of the station would run beneath a parking lot and curve south to meet Richmond Road.

O’Neil said her group will pressure the city to change the LRT corridor to avoid the congregation’s property. The cut-and-cover construction currently proposed will effectively destroy the seniors’ “front yards and rip out their gardens” during at least the two years of construction. As well, there is concern the vibrations from passing trains would create an endless disturbances to residents. At a peak times, a train will pass about every two-and-a-half minutes.

Project manager Chris Swail said the city would do everything it can to mitigate construction noise and any vibrations caused by the trains. He also noted the precise location of the route and the transit stations remains to be settled, leaving some scope for public feedback that can be taken into consideration.

Despite the church’s concerns, most of those who attended seemed to think the agreement between the NCC and the city would well serve the community as a whole.

“It’s a reasonable compromise,” said resident Robert Smith. “The LRT will have an impact on some during construction, but you have to look at the common good. The fact the city is working with the NCC is very positive.”

http://ottawacitizen.com/news/local-...y-church-group
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Old Posted Mar 31, 2015, 9:42 PM
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So what, there are enough changes done with this project already, time for them to find another spot in the city instead of stalling this again. I'm sure some blogger is giving them full support on that.
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So we are talking about a rapid transit line that will service West Ottawa, Nepean, Kanata, and Barhaven residents (about half a million people) and we are worried that construction might bother 130 people at times during the 2 year construction???? Take the 130 seniors, put them on a bus, and move them to a temporary location for 2 years if they can't stand the noise/dust/etc. This is city building and it won't be painless for everyone!
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I'm 99% sure the city will just ignore them, thankfully.
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Old Posted Apr 2, 2015, 5:10 PM
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Well they kind of have a bit of a point. The Unitarian properties are the ones that are going to be closest to any West LRT construction. Unfortunately the City's options now are rather constrained: they either go around behind the Continental through Unitarian lands as proposed, or via a pair of tighter turns through the strip mall and Cleary on the other side.

It's just too bad that the Continental condo was allowed by the City to be put up without provision for LRT. Oh well, it's not like anyone could have seen this issue coming 7 odd years ago.

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This isn't good... that site is one of the few remaining places that a light rail line can be easily shifted from the Parkway corridor to the Byron corridor.

If we had some actual light rail planning in this city we'd have secured the site already or at least assured ourselves of an underground easement. In fact, we should have done it for the site of the Continental. But no, we were too busy playing around for years planning to build a roller coaster line to the south end instead... and now one of the best corridors for integrating high density with light rail will likely pass through our fingers.

There's still Rochester Field, but that route is going to require tunnelling all the way to Cleary.
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At this point, there's actually not that much cost difference between running it under the parkway or cutting across Rochester Field to put the tunnel beneath Richmond. Sure the Richmond route would be more disruptive, but if they re-spaced the stations (say Denbury and Sherbourne) so they're right on the main street, the result would be more useful and accessible to bus transfers, not to mention highly visible which encourages more use. Dominion and Cleary stations being tucked away out of sight and beyond the possibility of direct transfers to bus routes practically diminishes the billion dollar investment for the sake of a theoretical short term savings in the tens of millions.

I still can't see how completely relocating and reconstructing the Parkway for the NCC would be any cheaper than doing a cut and cover and rebuilding of Richmond Road (which will also eventually need work). There's a weird shell game going on here, I'm not so sure this is such a great deal. The city should just leave the NCC to play with its parkway and do what's better for the long run.
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The city is trying to avoid the NIMBY fit that would result from cut and cover construction through Byron Park.
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The city is trying to avoid the NIMBY fit that would result from cut and cover construction through Byron Park.
The Byron Linear park doesn't have to be touched if the tunnel is directly underneath Richmond, exactly the same way it's going to go directly below two lanes of Parkway.
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the byron linear park doesn't have to be touched if the tunnel is directly underneath richmond, exactly the same way it's going to go directly below two lanes of parkway.
who ever heard of a train under a street!!!1!!!1!1!!
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Old Posted Apr 2, 2015, 11:34 PM
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The Byron Linear park doesn't have to be touched if the tunnel is directly underneath Richmond, exactly the same way it's going to go directly below two lanes of Parkway.
And also the way it's going to be from ~Cleary to ~Woodroffe.

Plus, for at least some of the run along Richmond where Richmond is 3-4 lanes wide, it could be open to the sky, thus potentially cheaper too.

I'm with you Kitchissippi - just move it over to Richmond (if we can't get a sensible at-grade solution on the old CPR corridor out of the NCC). Move Dominion Station to Rochester Field and develop it as a signature TOD. Likewise, move Cleary Station so it is proximate to Sherbourne. Moving Dominion also allows for Westboro Station to be moved to Churchill, and a new station inserted at Island Park.

Moving Dominion and Cleary Stations also addresses the whinging about "kiss & ride" drop-off traffic that some had about both.
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Old Posted Apr 4, 2015, 3:54 AM
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I'll never understand the crying over the Byron Linear Park, the damn thing was RoW for transit for ever, 50 foot wide patch of grass between two streets, it's not the damn englischer garten.
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Would there not be significant cost to moving utilities if going under Richmond Road? Certainly higher cost than just going under the parkway.
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I'll never understand the crying over the Byron Linear Park, the damn thing was RoW for transit for ever, 50 foot wide patch of grass between two streets, it's not the damn englischer garten.
Completely agree.

I think cut and cover along Byron would've been a good compromise. Grass & turf grows back pretty fast, and they could've asked for more stations with the money saved.
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Would there not be significant cost to moving utilities if going under Richmond Road? Certainly higher cost than just going under the parkway.
Yes, utility relocations are always a great big PITA.

I too do not get the Byron Park lovefest.

Some time ago I had the idea to "straddle" the Byron Linear Park by running one track on either side of it. Given the three lanes of Richmond on much of the north side of the corridor and the large expanse of shoulder on the Byron side, it could be done with relatively little impact on most of the park. The main impacts would be where the south track crosses the park to get to Rochester Field and wherever the station for Cleary/Sherbourne ends up.
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Old Posted Apr 8, 2015, 1:37 PM
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The display boards show the 'Protected Byron Linear Park'. What a joke.

As for the utilities that run under Richmond, they likely need replacing anyways (depending on if they had be rehabed yet), so kill two stone with one bird and boom. More logical alignment, rehabilitated utilities and not having to pay to do work the NCC should be paying for. But I am pretty sure that this alignment is pretty much written in stone, so there really is no way to change it.
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The city has found a route that the NCC and most of the NIMBYs can live with, that is also not overpriced, and provides decent access to the area while ensuring a rapid connection westward.

There's going to be very little appetite to change this route, so it's happening.
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