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Old Posted Dec 17, 2014, 9:46 PM
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The thing that stuck out to me in the Trib article that I wanted to include in my reporting is this:



The press rollout in July was completely bungled. Obviously nobody in town had any idea that Wanda was going to release the story back then, and everybody in town from Gang to Magellan was still under NDA and couldn't say a word about the project. What's even worse than announcing something before all partners are on the same page is announcing something before telling the city and alderman about it. Anybody who's seen how things work in this town should know that (Reilly has demonstrated his willingness to kill a project just for going to the press before coming to him), especially with foreign-money projects.

The way things are rolling out this week (pre-announcement leading up to an official unveiling) is how these things usually work, and in the best case would have been the first time anybody heard anything about the project. Wanda clearly jumped the gun, at the risk of imploding the whole deal. I gotta hope that in the future, the Chicago liaisons for these international projects do a better job of coordinating the release of information, because from a PR perspective this thing has been just shy of catastrophic.

Yeah - I'm never been much for 'I told you so's', but this one was so obvious to me in the day or two after the press release.......I don't know (I mean, unless you KNOW) whether it's right to lay some blame on the pr partners here.....it could very well be the case, but maybe not.........things are different in China (and not too pick specifically on China, because you could also probably insert the names of x, y and z emerging markets too).....they're still very much figuring a lot of things out (logging off and shutting down because of incoming hack!).......
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Site O hasn't been officially announced yet. Doesn't look like they're going to get started this year except maybe to clear the site.
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^^ ^ I believe there were rumblings of April/Mayish....
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Site O hasn't been officially announced yet. Doesn't look like they're going to get started this year except maybe to clear the site.
Not like Magellan would, it's in the zoning they could literally start tomorrow, unless they have to got to council. Would they?
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^ my understanding is for O they can prob. get by without..........though there will come a time in the not distant future when Magellan will need zoning changes/amendments at LSE......
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Whoa.

I'm not sure how developed this thing is or to what extent it will change or will otherwise be altered, but man, this is pretty sick. I am a big fan of the more avant-garde architecture that you see from firms like OMA, MVRDV, H+DM, MAD... and well, this is almost that. It's so atypical; I am a big fan of the overall form and its proportions. I will say that I hope the tallest portion is oriented to the west as shown and not to the east as was previously shown in the rendering from the summer. The progression of low to high from east to west really plays of the neighboring towers better IMO. Nonetheless, I can't wait to see this evolve!

Incidentally, though I realize it's simply an anomaly of how the reflections rendered out, I really think it'd be cool, and playful in an almost sophisticated way, if the glass were all subtle variations in color!

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Whoa.

I'm not sure how developed this thing is or to what extent it will change or will otherwise be altered, but man, this is pretty sick. I am a big fan of the more avant-garde architecture that you see from firms like OMA, MVRDV, H+DM, MAD... and well, this is almost that. It's so atypical; I am a big fan of the overall form and its proportions. I will say that I hope the tallest portion is oriented to the west as shown and not to the east as was previously shown in the rendering from the summer. The progression of low to high from east to west really plays of the neighboring towers better IMO. Nonetheless, I can't wait to see this evolve!

Incidentally, though I realize it's simply an anomaly of how the reflections rendered out, I really think it'd be cool, and playful in an almost sophisticated way, if the glass were all subtle variations in color!
I don't mind the reversal of where the taller portion would be, but it was cool the other was as well as it played off the lower height of Phase II for GEMS. That interior rendering is awesome.
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The middle rendering is incorrect, it is from the old version. I still like the changes, they are quite nice.
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the newer rendering is superior in every way.

i'm really happy that they decided to flip-flop it east to west. having the tower step back away from the lakefront just makes sense to me.


and with wanda ponying up all the money, this sounds like its really gonna happen. very interesting,
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It was never clear to me whether the middle was going to be a giant opening or not, but now it looks like it will be a huge glass enclosed atrium of some sort. I'm assuming that's going to be some kind of quasi-public space (restaurant, lobby, ballroom, bar/lounge?).
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^ Looks to be, and if so, I'd gladly dump my money there! Brilliant design to extend it about 20 feet out to make use of the westward views, which are pretty impressive from that location. I also would love to see them use the grey shades of glass in this latest rendering, although it may just be caused by the tone of the image itself..

Finally, taking a quick stroll through fantasyland; how fantastic would the tower be if it were just that western-most portion dropped on a small plot of land in the loop?

Edit: An additional rendering from Crains. "Groundbreaking expected in 2016"

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I also would love to see them use the grey shades of glass in this latest rendering, although it may just be caused by the tone of the image itself..
yeah that silver grey rendering makes it look very steely and sophisticated. i dig.

REALLY hope this is the direction they take it, as opposed to a deeply saturated blue which i think is really played out


http://cdn.cstatic.net/images/gridfs...er%20Close.jpg

still feels too "blocky" to me though. the main tower is nice and slender but thats all kinda undercut by the fat midsection of the other two neighbors
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oh holy shit balls, yes!
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From Kamin's piece:
But as rendered, the tower looks leaden and crudely detailed, as though giant boxes had been piled atop one another, then squashed from above. There’s none of the lyrical fluidity of Aqua’s balconies. A tower this big and prominent must rise to a higher aesthetic level, as Trump’s eventually did after a woeful preliminary design.

Still, there’s hope: One rendering of the project, visible online but not released by the city, shows a compelling close-up view: Three, crisply detailed towers with gracefully curving surfaces instead of stolid, folded planes. They suggest three sisters of different ages, standing side by side. The interior views are also enticing, promising big spaces, tilting columns and striking views of the river and nearby park.
Is he referring to the below rendering?

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IMO, Kamin's review is not his finest work. After his shameful aversion to the Lucas Museum, I'm growing a bit weary of his criticism. What, exactly, are his issues with the design? It seems like he devotes the majority of his review to the lack of emphasis on a connection between Wacker and Lakeshore East. To be fair, I, too, share his concern about just how compartmentalized and isolated the park is, and I agree that the dearth of renderings is surprising and disappointing. But that doesn't necessarily mean the design "needs work"; it means we need more information. And let's acknowledge some of the parameters: how many of us believe Magellan truly wants LSE to be easily accessible? My understanding is that the suburban nature of the site plan is intentional. Not that the city shouldn't push for something more integrated. It for sure should, and if the current design really does represent a missed opportunity (again, hard to tell based on what we have seen so far), then, yes, it would be smart for Rahm to leverage his influence over zoning to extract some concessions. Let's dispense, though, with the idea that this is a feature Studio Gang has much control over.

Moving from hypotheticals to the images he does have, he just confuses me. If the online rendering he mentions is indeed the one posted by Via Chicago, then I simply don't understand how he fails to recognize it as the same design. And what are these "graceful curves" he's referring to? Speaking of which, his insistence on fluidity and aversion to blockiness leads me to believe he isn't speaking metaphorically and would prefer a design that's literally rounder. I don't disagree that there's a frustrating sketchiness to the main rendering, but reverting to the organic language of Aqua's balconies is not the solution. (I can't help but feel he's suggesting as much with that reference to Mies.)

Lastly: Wanda's neighbors are "bland"? To the east, for sure, but did he forget about Coast, Swissotel, and the soon-to-be-constructed GEMS upper school? I certainly hope so, because that's otherwise a serious lapse in taste.

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IMO, Kamin's review is not his finest work. After his shameful aversion to the Lucas Museum, I'm growing a bit weary of his criticism. What, exactly, are his issues with the design? It seems like he devotes the majority of his review to the lack of emphasis on a connection between Wacker and Lakeshore East. To be fair, I, too, share his concern about just how compartmentalized and isolated the park is, and I agree that the dearth of renderings is surprising and disappointing. But that doesn't necessarily mean the design "needs work"; it means we need more information. And let's acknowledge some of the parameters: how many of us believe Magellan truly wants LSE to be easily accessible? My understanding is that the suburban nature of the site plan is intentional. Not that the city shouldn't push for something more integrated. It for sure should, and if the current design really does represent a missed opportunity (again, hard to tell based on what we have seen so far), then, yes, it would be smart for Rahm to leverage his influence over zoning to extract some concessions. Let's dispense, though, with the idea that this is a feature Studio Gang has much control over.

Moving from hypotheticals to the images he does have, he just confuses me. If the online rendering he mentions is indeed the one posted by Via Chicago, then I simply don't understand how he fails to recognize it as the same design. And what are these "graceful curves" he's referring to? Speaking of which, his insistence on fluidity and aversion to blockiness leads me to believe he isn't speaking metaphorically and would prefer a design that's literally rounder. I don't disagree that there's a frustrating sketchiness to the main rendering, but reverting to the organic language of Aqua's balconies is not the solution. (I can't help but feel he's suggesting as much with that reference to Mies.)

Lastly: Wanda's neighbors are "bland"? To the east, for sure, but did he forget about Coast, Swissotel, and the soon-to-be-constructed GEMS upper school? I certainly hope so, because that's otherwise a serious lapse in taste.

Tsk, tsk, Blair.
I agree 100%. I read this article as "the renderings I have seen don't show enough detail, therefore I am forced to assume this building has no detailing, but then again I just saw a rendering that shows the building slathered in rather nice detailing, but I for some reason can't assume that its the same design". The entire time I was reading it I kept thinking "there is literally no content to this editorial".
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yeah that silver grey rendering makes it look very steely and sophisticated. i dig.

REALLY hope this is the direction they take it, as opposed to a deeply saturated blue which i think is really played out


http://cdn.cstatic.net/images/gridfs...er%20Close.jpg

still feels too "blocky" to me though. the main tower is nice and slender but thats all kinda undercut by the fat midsection of the other two neighbors
This is pretty nice IMO - could be a bit more rounded by far from bad.
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Looks like it may of had some Beekman influence. That rendering really puts into perspective how complex the design is. This is growing on me more and more.
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^One sentence that I liked from the Crain's article... "Mayor Rahm Emanuel will preside over the signing of the agreement between Beijing-based Wanda Group and Magellan, according to a statement from the mayor's office."

With the mayor involved I don't see the alderman trying to involve himself if people mumble about height and density. The mayor is looking at the jobs (he should be looking at the tax receipts both property and property transfer with the condos) created.
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Hopefully I can use my Asia connections to dig my dirty dirty fingers into this pie
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