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Old Posted Dec 15, 2011, 3:27 AM
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And yes, the bank get's rich off of you, but at least you get a house out of it; you don't get shit from renting.
That's not true at all. If the differential between monthly mortgage payments and monthly rent is great enough you could get far better returns in the long run by investing the difference in something else. The value of your home might drop or stagnate too, real estate isn't as safe an investment as some people think.

There are all kinds of rent vs. buy calculators on the Internet.
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Exactly why my wife and I moved from Toronto back to Hamilton a year and a half ago. When I found myself looking at a small house for $440,000 that needed work (and I am not a handyman either) and thinking "maybe..." I finally gave my head a shake and convinced my wife to move. But I am lucky in that I actually like commuting on the GO Train and the "me time" that it gives me. Most people groan when they hear the hour and a half commute time (even though it took me 45 minutes when I lived on the subway line in Toronto).

And while I agree that the salaries/household income Hamilton wouldn't be able to support this but we have a long way to go. Toronto is pretty much maxed out with every neighbourhood now discovered which is why these prices are ridiculous. Hamilton has room to grow and then some. Kirkendall is shooting up to $300-400k but beyond that neighbourhood there are tonnes of options for similar homes. There is similar housing stock at more reasonable prices in St Clair or just east of Gage Park/Delta, or the strip in between King and Main is great too in areas like Proctor Blvd, Barnesdale etc.

Commercially too, every time I drive down Barton I see room to grow.
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And while I agree that the salaries/household income Hamilton wouldn't be able to support this but we have a long way to go. Toronto is pretty much maxed out with every neighbourhood now discovered which is why these prices are ridiculous. Hamilton has room to grow and then some. Kirkendall is shooting up to $300-400k but beyond that neighbourhood there are tonnes of options for similar homes. There is similar housing stock at more reasonable prices in St Clair or just east of Gage Park/Delta, or the strip in between King and Main is great too in areas like Proctor Blvd, Barnesdale etc.

Commercially too, every time I drive down Barton I see room to grow.
I couldn't agree more... The bubble scare will distroy Torontonians like any luxuries offered as those are what are sold first in tougher times, but Hamilton's lower prices and 'room to grow' effect will give us a softer landing here.
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http://www.cbc.ca/hamilton/news/stor...-increase.html
Fantastic media - Thank you Hamilton CBC!
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The Spec/CP covered this MPAC report as well.

FWIW, here’s the MPAC leaderboard for housing price growth, 2008-2012:

Timmins: 29%
York Region: 28%
Sault Ste Marie: 25%
Ottawa: 24%
Toronto: 23%
Halton-Peel Region: 22%
Sudbury 19%
Ontario: 17%
Kingston: 16%
Kitchener-Waterloo: 15%
Durham Region: 13%
Hamilton-Burlington: 10%
London: 7%
Barrie: 6%
Niagara Region: 4%

Not sure why Burlington appears twice. (It is, after all, part of Halton-Peel.)

And here’s the actual report.
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The Spec/CP covered this MPAC report as well.

FWIW, here’s the MPAC leaderboard for housing price growth, 2008-2012:

Timmins: 29%
York Region: 28%
Sault Ste Marie: 25%
Ottawa: 24%
Toronto: 23%
Halton-Peel Region: 22%
Sudbury 19%
Ontario: 17%
Kingston: 16%
Kitchener-Waterloo: 15%
Durham Region: 13%
Hamilton-Burlington: 10%
London: 7%
Barrie: 6%
Niagara Region: 4%

Not sure why Burlington appears twice. (It is, after all, part of Halton-Peel.)

And here’s the actual report.
Burlington is part of the Hamilton CMA. They are not counted in the Halton Peel stats.
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Recently sold our place to a GTA couple, got more than the asking price (bidding war) and now rent. Going to get a place by Lake Erie for the summer.

Really enjoying the new lifestyle.
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I've always wanted a little weekend place down on Lake Erie. I'm not so sure I'm in the right tax bracket for such things, however.

What's real estate like in the Port Colbourne-Dunnville-Port Dover area? I would imagine something on the beach might be a little pricey.
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Dip In Construction Temporary: City Staff (Hamilton Spectator, Lisa Grace Marr, June 14, 2012)

The dip in the city’s May building permit figures is more like a deep breath before a burst of fresh air than a whimper.

Norm Schleehahn, with Hamilton’s economic development department, said a drop in the number and value of commercial and industrial permits in May is not much of a concern.

“We have quite a bit of development to come yet — over 600,000 square feet,” he said. “(Permits) will be getting exponentially bigger.”

In April, city staff predicted Hamilton to be on track to break the previous $1-billion record building boom set in 2010.

After the first quarter of this year, the value was $271 million, up $75 million compared to the first quarter of that record-setting year.

But in May, while residential growth remained strong — about the same as last year at $69 million — commercial permits were only $5.35 million compared to $7 million last May. Industrial permits dropped to $3.8 million compared to $5.8 million the same time last year.

Institutional permits (for hospitals, schools and government buildings) also slid from the previous month.

However, Schleehahn said total permits are still about $30 million more than this time in 2010, so he’s hopeful the numbers will rebound.

He pointed to several large projects, such as the Maple Leaf meat processing plant, Activation Labs and the McMaster Health Care Centre, as future propellers of construction figures.

“I think it’s a blip on the radar. There are several new projects that we’re hopeful about.”

He said Union Gas will soon be embarking on developing the last piece of vacant property on the South Service Road in Stoney Creek. It will be a LEED building on a redeveloped brownfield site.

“There is a lot of momentum out there. We’re hopeful this will continue.”
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Last week I noticed a new sign up on the lot at the Northwest corner of Young & Caroline Catherine. Low-rise condos, I believe, starting price in the mid two hundreds?

This is the third time I've seen a sign like this on that lot, so I'm not holding my breath.
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young doesn't cross caroline? do you mean catharine?
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Old Posted Nov 18, 2012, 12:51 AM
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Oh, and the city's sprawl ("city farmland") valuations are twice that of west Hamilton neighbourhoods.

A rising tide
Home values have soared along the waterfront in Hamilton and Burlington, and in Hamilton’s downtown

(Hamilton Spectator, Nov 17, 2012)

Hamilton’s core and waterfront are on the rise – and if you live there, so are your taxes.

The latest provincial data shows homes along the Beach Strip, in west Hamilton and in an L-shaped band hugging the downtown have gained more value compared to the city average since 2008.

Over four years, average residential values have increased 12.6 per cent in Hamilton, with the average home now worth $290,981, according to the Municipal Property Assessment Corporation. If your property value increase is higher than that, your tax bill will likely grow.

On the upside, your climbing property value may be a testament to successful downtown and harbour redevelopment, said Hamilton real estate agent Conrad Zurini.

He attributed fast-rising property values in some areas of the city to an “affordable waterfront” and “trickling success” in efforts to bring jobs and people back to the core.

“To me, it looks like we’ve turned the corner,” he said.

Highlights of property value reassessments:

• A whopping 30 to 50 per cent average increase along the Burlington waterfront;
• Between 18 and 20 per cent for properties along the Hamilton Beach Strip;
• Around 23 per cent for semi-detached homes in the north end near the harbour;
• 17 per cent or higher in many west Hamilton neighbourhoods, including those surrounding the downtown along James Street and between the Mountain and Main Street West.
• An average of 34 per cent for city farmland.


2012 Home Value Update

Average Home Values: Ontario $368,903 (+18.5% avg), Hamilton $290,981 (+12.6 avg), Burlington $440,431 (+20.1% avg), Grimsby $330,341 (+9.3% avg)
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I think the assessments in this city went up about 20% across the board. I live on the mountain and my assessment went went up $42,000 which wouldn't be bad if it actually reflected the value of the property. Unfortunately the assessment is about $20,000 more than I could possibly sell the house for, if I compare it to recent sale prices in the area. I have already done the paperwork for a re assessment. Hopefully the re assessment will be more in line with the actual market value.
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For the 2nd time in 11 years, I've been hit with a reassessment hike of close to 50% (different houses). Both times following obtaining a building permit for renovations. This system is corrupt and unfair to homeowners who take pride in their homes.
Was the assessment too low before? Probably. But the arbitrary nature of this process is maddening.
Why am I assessed $100K more than my neighbour?
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Last week I noticed a new sign up on the lot at the Northwest corner of Young & Caroline Catherine Catharine. Low-rise condos, I believe, starting price in the mid two hundreds?

This is the third time I've seen a sign like this on that lot, so I'm not holding my breath.


I lived in Corktown in the mid to late 90s. There's always been a sign on that lot. Every year the owner changes it to try to stir up a little interest. Never works.
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http://rahb.ca/press/2012/Hamilton%2...0September.pdf

Hamilton housing market after another upswing! Check out the link...
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Hamilton housing market after another upswing! Check out the link...
I wouldn't read too much into those numbers. The RAHB President is cautious.

http://www.cbc.ca/hamilton/news/stor...september.html
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Hamilton housing starts on the rise

http://www.cbc.ca/hamilton/news/stor...ng-starts.html

Housing starts in the Hamilton area have increased over last year, according to the latest numbers from the Canadian Mortgage and Housing Corporation.

The CMHC is reporting 241 housing starts in the Hamilton area for September, up from 188 in September of last year. Since January, the Hamilton Census Metropolitan Area has seen 2,422 total housing starts, again an increase for the same time period last year, which saw 1,661 starts.

The City of Hamilton saw the bulk of the new builds, with 232 housing starts, while Burlington had 2 and Grimsby 7 for the month of September.


Whoa, what's going on with Burlington? I guess they're pretty much built out now and everything else will be intensification?
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The City of Hamilton saw the bulk of the new builds, with 232 housing starts, while Burlington had 2 and Grimsby 7 for the month of September.

Whoa, what's going on with Burlington? I guess they're pretty much built out now and everything else will be intensification?
Burlington is largely built out, and intensification has been going on for the last several years. I'm guessing that CMHC's numbers would show that most of the vertical development in the GHA in the last 10 years has been going on in Burlington (Aldershot alone probably outdoes Hamilton for condo development). Hamilton, meanwhile, is a powerhouse of the suburban freehold: Most of the city's activity is single family homes being built south of the Linc.
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I wouldn't read too much into those numbers. The RAHB President is cautious.

http://www.cbc.ca/hamilton/news/stor...september.html
From the RAHB website: "Seasonally adjusted sales of residential properties were 10.9 per cent lower than the same month last year, with the average sale price up 13.7 per cent for the month. Seasonally adjusted numbers of new listings were almost flat to the same month last year."
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