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Old Posted Apr 28, 2011, 4:30 PM
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I think that's rather dissapointing. It would have been nice to have an 800 foot tower rise there and really fill out the site
This is a temporary use.

The plaza is just until the site gets resolved.
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you give people 3 supertalls, an ultra highrise(nearly large enough to be a supertall), a 700 footer and the likelihood of another 700-800 footer all within 2 blocks of each other and people still arnt happy. c'mon guys take it easy tower 6 will get developed just count your blessings, watch the development of the other towers and then we can talk about tower 6 later.
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Not sure where the information is coming from (it's not cited), or if anyone can confirm its validity or lack thereof, but the Wikipedia article for 5 WTC lists it as under construction with a ground breaking having taken place on Sept. 9, 2011 for "...the new tower, JP Morgan Chase..."
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Not sure where the information is coming from (it's not cited), or if anyone can confirm its validity or lack thereof, but the Wikipedia article for 5 WTC lists it as under construction with a ground breaking having taken place on Sept. 9, 2011 for "...the new tower, JP Morgan Chase..."
Back in February, someone was just as confused as you were after reading what Wikipedia had to say. Hopefully this will clear things up a little…

Currently, the Port Authority is building the Vehicle Security Center below-grade (outlined in blue) underneath 155 Cedar St. and the northern part of 130 Liberty Street. They have also built a temporary, $800,000 platform to receive the 9/11 Memorial Plaza visitors. (If you look at any of the webcams, it’s the trapezoidal shape close to the base of the W Hotel).
Sometime in 2007, JPMorgan Chase proposed to build a 40-story office tower here. This is the cantilevered design that was dubbed “the urinal” by its critics. When the financial crisis hit in 2008, the proposal died, JPMorgan Chase dropped out of the picture, and the design was scrapped.

The entire 130 Liberty Street address has become a very complex piece a real estate. It was initially home to the Deutsche Bank Center that was irreparably damaged during the September 11 terrorist attacks. It wasn’t completely demolished until earlier this year after years of setbacks resulting from mismanagement, broken tools, unsafe working conditions, etc. The site’s fate has not yet been decided, but here are some possibilities.

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1) An office tower with a corporate tenant. This type of development would be consistent with the rest of the WTC, and it would allow the Port Authority to generate the most revenue from the highest-possible rents per square foot.

2) A mixed-use tower that includes any combination of hotels, offices and residences. They’ve reached out to luxury hotels, and NYU has expressed interest in moving into a potential tower.

3) The Performing Art Center (PAC)…the entire project won’t get built unless the city can $300 million for its construction, and the current (and original) proposal is to sandwich it between WTC1 and Greenwich Street. Soon after JPMorgan Chase dropped out of the picture, the Lower Manhattan Development Corporation pushed for its relocation to 130 Liberty Street. That was quickly shot down but a few champions keep talking about it as an option and getting their voices heard in the newspaper. If the PAC ever gets built, there’s 99% chance it’ll be built by WTC1.

4) St. Nicholas Church – Like the Deutsche Bank building, this Greek Orthodox Church was destroyed in the collapse of the twin towers. It was a very modest church that was the only remnant of a former street-wall (the white building on the left marked by an arrow). When they wanted to build a new church, they designed one that’s several times larger than the original structure, and they wanted to move to 130 Liberty Street (the white building on the right marked by the arrow). Well, the Port Authority wanted the church to rebuild in its original spot at 155 Cedar St. because the Vehicle Security Center (VSC)below would not have to be redesigned in order to accommodate its stresses on the steel below. The 130 Liberty street side of the VSC, however, is where the cylindrical ramps will take the vehicles into the entire WTC underground complex, and there the steel is arranged in such a way that it cannot support anything above it. That’s why the renders only have a part in its place. The church, however, has demanded that they build on the 130 Liberty St. parcel, and in fact, the only reason why JPMorgan Chase designed the “urinal” cantilever was to accommodate the church below while maximizing their parcel’s land. Anyway, the church filed suit against the Port Authority, and no one knows where that is right now in the courts, and if the church even has a case. Regardless, it could threaten the delivery of the security center as you can see the excavation there has proceeded much more slowly than at 155 Cedar.

In other words, this site is a mess, and there are a number of hurdles that have to be cleared before a clear vision can emerge. And since towers 2 and 3 have not found anchor tenants yet, WTC5 will likely be shelved until the market improves and demand for new office space increases.

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In other words, this site is a mess, and there are a number of hurdles that have to be cleared before a clear vision can emerge. And since towers 2 and 3 have not found anchor tenants yet, WTC5 will likely be shelved until the market improves and demand for new office space increases.
Somewhat, but not exactly. First, it still has to be determined exactly what type of building this will be. But even if this were to be built as all commercial (office) space, it could be built even while towers two and three remain unbuilt. That is because the Port Authority controls this tower. In a sense, it is like a separate development from Silverstein's WTC towers. As you stated above, it was on its way to being built (as the JP Morgan Chase tower) until things went south for everyone. The Port Authority meanwhile doesn't want to wait for the market, one of the reasons the tower probably won't be strictly office space.



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Is it true that this tower should be high 226 m ?
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Is it true that this tower should be high 226 m ?
It will likely be more than that.
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Cuomo butts into big fat Greek church spat



UNORTHODOX: Rendering of St. Nicholas Church, which may be too massive for WTC infrastructure under it.


By STEVE CUOZZO
October 4, 2011

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Gov. Cuomo, seizing the World Trade Center reins even before he picks a successor to Port Authority executive director Chris Ward, is maneuvering to move construction of a new St. Nicholas Church back to a site the PA had previously ruled out. The original church, destroyed on 9/11, stood nearby at 155 Cedar St. -- where the PA wants to build the new one.

But sources said Cuomo has secretly tapped construction expert Peter M. Lehrer to find a way to rebuild the house of worship at PA-owned 130 Liberty St., the former Deutsche Bank site across the street from the WTC. Such a move could arrest progress on interlocked WTC projects that finally found traction, insiders fear.

The PA said the VSC’s steel infrastructure can’t support the massive church that the archdiocese hoped to build on top of it -- described by the New York Times as a “domed marble complex” occupying a 4,000 square-foot plot, compared to 1,200 square feet it had at the original location.

“It will be a mess if the whole VSC has to be re-engineered,” a source said. “There’s no telling what effect it could have.”
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They could build the rooms the church needs on the first two floors above WTC5's base, instead of having a seperate building for it, and leave the rest of the plots for the new park and entrances to the VSC. Or build the curch kinda "underground" with steps leading to it's roof on which the liberty park sits, with a glassfacade along liberty street, facing the memorial.

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They could build the rooms the church needs on the first two floors above WTC5's base, instead of having a seperate building for it, and leave the rest of the plots for the new park and entrances to the VSC. Or build the curch kinda "underground" with steps leading to it's roof on which the liberty park sits, with a glassfacade along liberty street, facing the memorial.

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That seems like a nice compromise. Have part of the church outside, but have the majority occupy a floor or two in the corner of 5 WTC.

And here comes Cuomo to screw up the nice progress we have been seeing under Ward, just like Pataki tried to get his dirty hands on everything. I don't even know why Ward is being ditched. Anyone?
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UNORTHODOX: Rendering of St. Nicholas Church, which may be too massive for WTC infrastructure under it.


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What can means that for the Tower 5 ?
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What can means that for the Tower 5 ?
It means nothing for Tower 5.

The Tower 5 footprint can't be built over this part of the Vehicle Security Center.

Tower 5 will be set back from this site, regardless of where the church moves.
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It means nothing for Tower 5.

The Tower 5 footprint can't be built over this part of the Vehicle Security Center.

Tower 5 will be set back from this site, regardless of where the church moves.
Thank you.
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One thing it does mean is that because we won't have any trading floors hovering above the church (see below) - that option has pretty much been ruled out - this could swing the tower more towards the residential end.


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Hallelujah! Port Authority Reaches New Deal to Rebuild Ground Zero Church

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October 14, 2011

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In his last act as Port Authority executive director, Chris Ward signed off on a deal he has sworn for almost his entire tenure was impossible: the relocation of the St. Nicholas Greek Orthodox Church at a site promised by Governor George Pataki, at 130 Liberty Street. Instead, he wanted it built at a smaller and less prominent site at 155 Cedar Street. The deal was reportedly brokered by Mr. Ward’s antagonist, Governor Andrew Cuomo.

Mr. Ward, who could potentially be gearing up for a a mayoral run, seemed happy just to be done with the matter. “I am delighted that we were able to find a way to rebuild the Church with no impact on the construction schedule at the World Trade Center,” he said. “The Church is an important and appropriate addition to the site, and will serve New Yorkers of all faiths for generations to come.” Some in the church community had accused him of opposing the project because the Port chief has spoken of being an atheist in the past.
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look what would happen if they would build a mosque there^^
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Greek Orthodox Church back and forth and back.



Aerial view of the planned St. Nicholas Greek Orthodox Church at the World Trade Center.
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Under significant pressure from Governor Cuomo, the Port Authority will allow St. Nicholas Greek Orthodox Church to rebuild their destroyed church on a World Trade Center site. An earlier deal had the state giving the church $20 million to rebuild while the Port invested $40 million in a blast-proof platform for the building over a new vehicle security center beneath. That deal moved the church up the street from their old location at 155 Cedar Street and onto a 4,100 square foot site at the corner of Greenwich and Liberty streets. Under the new agreement the church will stay on Liberty Street and the Port will build a $25 million platform, with the church raising its own funds to rebuild.

Currently there is no final design, the architect said, but it will be clearly identified as an Eastern Orthodox church. While the old St. Nicholas contrasted with Yamasaki’s twin towers, the new church will play off the new buildings, the architect said, describing the new structure as a transparent “cube that’s floating on air.” If the current schedule holds, the church could open its doors by 2014.





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What is the next step in construction on this site? I am glad to see they have made a deal with the Church, it is good to see them respect the Church's wishes while at the same time moving forward with Tower 5 construction.
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What is the next step in construction on this site? I am glad to see they have made a deal with the Church, it is good to see them respect the Church's wishes while at the same time moving forward with Tower 5 construction.
The tower itself probably won't be under construction for a while. Much depends on what exactly the Port Authority intends for the site.
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