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Old Posted Dec 23, 2014, 7:54 PM
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@OttawaCitizen: Breaking: #Senators confirm plan presentation to #NCC for facility in #LeBreton Flats. No further comment for now. #ottnews

@jchianello: The Sens officially confirm that they'll apply to the @NCC_CCN to build an NHL arena at LeBreton Flats. #ottpoli
Awesome!

To win it (assuming they are not the only bidder which is possible), I personally think they need to tie in something else. The arena alone wouldn't likely cut it for the NCC or for the Senators organization. So, my thinking is that the proposal is more than just an arena.
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I'm pretty sure that Melnyk has more up his sleeve than just an arena. I expect a proposal with at least one additional revenue-generating attraction...something that'll allow cross-pollination between the two businesses.
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it's gonna blow your minds: 2 casinos.
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And an aquarium.
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Well my mind's officially blown.
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Indoor waterpark where people will be able to enjoy the feel of Barbados, in their swim attire, while sipping a margarita and watching the Sens on giant flatscreen TVs at Bert's Bar and Restaurant, right downtown Ottawa complete with a year round tropical climate controlled environment, palm trees, beach / wave pool and rastafarian beach vendors selling high quality knock off sunglasses and overpriced skunky weed.
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Considering the big plans he had for the current site, there is no doubt that the plans for LeBreton 2.0 go above and beyond just an arena. The proposal will be something between Maple Leaf Square and the Arena District in Edmonton. Quick fact: LeBreton is 21.6 hectares (or 9.3 if the proposal only covers the main parcels) compared to the Arena District's 10 hectares.
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I'm hoping some of you who live in Ottawa can clear something up for me..

I'm seeing a lot of comments in articles about the Senators relocation complaining about how difficult it would be to drive to the new location.

Why is this a problem? There seems to be a major road/highway through the LeBreton flats, as well as a highway near by.

It seems like the new location would be a much closer drive to the majority of Ottawa than the current Kanata location. Not to mention a transit line that is essentially a subway is being built here.

Or are all these comments from people who live in Kanata?
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Ottawa Senators take first step towards possible LeBreton site

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Published on: December 23, 2014, Last Updated: December 23, 2014 5:59 PM EST


The Ottawa Senators confirmed Tuesday that they will be taking a shot at relocating to LeBreton Flats.

In a brief statement, the hockey club confirmed earlier reports that it will make a preliminary submission to the National Capital Commission to assess its qualification to be part of future LeBreton redevelopment.

The club declined to discuss details of its submission.

On Sept. 30, the National Capital Commission launched a request for proposals to redevelop as much as 21.4 hectares of land at LeBretonFlats that sits south of the parkway and west of Booth Street. One criteria for the redevelopment proposal is the inclusion of “an attraction of a regional, national or international significance” that is also a “world-class capital destination.”

The Sens told the Citizen earlier that moving the team to the site “could only be possible with strong community support.”

For decades, many have complained the current arena’s Kanata location is inconvenient, if not a downright barrier to attendance.

http://ottawacitizen.com/sports/loca...le-breton-site
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This proposal will work as long as Eugene keeps the new rink with a capacity of 18,000 or less to make a demand for the product. This proposal is much better than the one that they were going to make with the brookfield property at Kent and Queen. Yes, that was in the works before the current lebreton opportunity came up.
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This proposal will work as long as Eugene keeps the new rink with a capacity of 18,000 or less to make a demand for the product. This proposal is much better than the one that they were going to make with the brookfield property at Kent and Queen. Yes, that was in the works before the current lebreton opportunity came up.
Could an arena be squeezed into that block? It would be a brilliant location if it were possible.
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Could an arena be squeezed into that block? It would be a brilliant location if it were possible.
It would be brilliant, but it's too small for the arena. You could have something smaller like Tom Brown Arena fit there, though.
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Could an arena be squeezed into that block? It would be a brilliant location if it were possible.
Yes an arena would fit there. It's been looked at as a possible location for over 4 years now. The location is prime, better that the flats, but the opportunity for partnering with other developers is what makes lebreton an alternate option with more potential.
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Indoor waterpark where people will be able to enjoy the feel of Barbados, in their swim attire, while sipping a margarita and watching the Sens on giant flatscreen TVs at Bert's Bar and Restaurant, right downtown Ottawa complete with a year round tropical climate controlled environment, palm trees, beach / wave pool and rastafarian beach vendors selling high quality knock off sunglasses and overpriced skunky weed.
As a dual citizen of Canada and Barbados, that would be heaven for me!
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I'm hoping some of you who live in Ottawa can clear something up for me..

I'm seeing a lot of comments in articles about the Senators relocation complaining about how difficult it would be to drive to the new location.

Why is this a problem? There seems to be a major road/highway through the LeBreton flats, as well as a highway near by.

It seems like the new location would be a much closer drive to the majority of Ottawa than the current Kanata location. Not to mention a transit line that is essentially a subway is being built here.

Or are all these comments from people who live in Kanata?
I'm guessing most of the complaints come from people who live within a 15 minute drive of CTC and solely use the car as a form of transportation.
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Kent at Queen, I don't know. That would be tight.

If we assume they would build something similar to the MTS Centre in Winnipeg, they built on a lot 100mx190m. Kent at Queen is 79mx200m (assuming you tear down the buildings taking half the block towards Bank).
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Old Posted Dec 24, 2014, 6:47 PM
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Can Melnyk be denied again?

By Don Brennan, Ottawa Sun
First posted: Tuesday, December 23, 2014 07:33 PM EST | Updated: Wednesday, December 24, 2014 08:22 AM EST


As a man who has reached billionaire status in life, Eugene Melnyk strongly dislikes being denied. Usually, not always but much more often than most, the Senators owner gets what he wants.

Now, in a release Tuesday, Melnyk has made it clear he wants to relocate his team to Lebreton Flats. And without any real understanding of the process or the rationale of government deep-thinkers (like I'm alone on that), consider this a bet we'll all be going to NHL games in downtown Ottawa just as soon as the red tape is eliminated and the construction of one of those "world class facilities" is completed.

Knowing the way things move around here, the Senators will have won three Stanley Cups by the time it happens, but that's beside the point. The team will be leaving Palladium Dr. for the bottom of Booth St. Clip and save these words.

I am pretty sure Melnyk was furious when he lost out on his bid to bring pro soccer to Kanata. It was a risky proposition to begin with -- the idea of an MLS team way out in the west end had attendance problems written all over it -- but the swing and the miss would not have sat well with him.

The bigger loss, however, was his failed attempt to build a casino at Canadian Tire Centre. I'd say I would have liked to have been a fly on the wall in the room Melnyk was in when he received that news, but I have a feeling me and the other flies would have been crushed by his fist.

Interestingly, Melnyk didn't seem to hang on to the anger over the latter. Oh, he made some noise, but it was the equivalent of one loud scream, and then ... silence.

I expected serious threats about selling or moving the Senators. I was certain he would tell the city that unless it reconsidered, he was going to lose too much money to make the NHL work here. I was sure he would issue an ultimatum.

Instead, there were mumblings about help coming to him in a different form, and Melnyk seemed more than appeased.

Now, I get we're talking about different levels of government, but do you not think there's a possibility Melnyk was told to hold his horses, all would be done (wink, wink) to assist him in a bigger project down the road? That while rights to a gambling house wouldn't come his way, he'd have every opportunity (and then some) to set up his shop closer to the Casino du Lac-Leamy and reap all the benefits that are realized with such a move?

Melnyk had a knowing look in his eyes when he told media in attendance at his Skate For Kids a week ago that the team wasn't even sure it was going to submit a RFQ for Lebreton Flats, but "I'm hoping we come to the right decision."

Said Melnyk: "If we're going to do it, we want to do it right, we want to be organized, we want to make sure this has been very carefully thought through. This impacts the city in a huge way. It impacts the organization in a huge way."

I don't know what other groups or organizations will apply for redevelopment rights at Labreton before the Jan. 7 deadline, but I do believe the Senators should have had that address right from the start and it's not too late to right the wrong. An NHL team belongs in the core of its city, not the outskirts. While prospering themselves, the Senators would breathe tremendous life into the downtown area and all its businesses -- much more so than anything else that could take over the Flats.

Now that he has formalized his intentions, I'm sure Melnyk is confident he's not going to be denied again. And if he is, if he's told he won't be owning an NHL team in downtown Ottawa, I can't imagine he'll be owning one in Kanata much longer, either.

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http://www.ottawasun.com/2014/12/23/...e-denied-again
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Well, this is shaping up into something of interest. Perhaps with the arena will be a hotel, bars/restaurants, condo, office space, hockey museum and the aforementioned indoor Barbados (except instead of knock off sunglasses some knock off Canadian Goose parkas).

I am also curious as to whether this is where the NCC was planning on going in the first place... They had a deadline until Oct or Nov (Please correct me) for submissions and then postponed until the New Year based on 'higher than normal' interest; is it possible there was no interest and that the NCC was just waiting and doing some back room shuffles to get an arena bid? Because thats kinda what I am sensing.
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Did the City of Ottawa ever take a decision on whether it was open to a downtown casino (I assume that this will be part of the proposal)?
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