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Old Posted Jun 20, 2008, 4:40 PM
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Old Hotels

The Old Greystone / Hampton Hotel reminds me of another day. This is the type Hotel I prefer when I travel. Would it be great one day to see someone bring back the Jefferson Davis.
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Old Posted Jun 20, 2008, 7:31 PM
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who are you and where downtown are you?

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welcome to the boards
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Old Posted Jun 20, 2008, 8:46 PM
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I live in Denver now, I had a office / business in downtown Montgomery from the late 60's till the late 80's on Dexter. I was a member of a group called Donwtown Unlimited that pushed for the building of the Civic Center and other projects. I wished that we could have seen the excitement back then that you guys are seeing now. O yes we also helped the Downtown Jaycees buy and bring the General Richard Montgomery Riverboat to the Lower Commerce Street River area. I have been back on occasion and experienced a Biscuit game, and will possibly visit in late summer.
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Old Posted Jun 20, 2008, 9:19 PM
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Uh, I believe hiijakd's question was for futuremm...



Welcome, futuremm.
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You don't see anything wrong, do you?

Geez...
Looks like the Drive thru could accomodate a canopy easily. I know that thunderstorms and high winds could be a hassle as well but that building deserves to be tarted up and brought back to life.
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Old Posted Jun 21, 2008, 3:12 AM
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hi everyone! I'm new to the forum. I live down town and want to share the goodnews on whats going on. thanks
glad you could join us.
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Old Posted Jun 21, 2008, 3:36 AM
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hi everyone! I'm new to the forum. I live down town and want to share the goodnews on whats going on. thanks
Perhaps you could tell us what part of downtown you live and tell us the latest buzz going on in your area.
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Old Posted Jun 21, 2008, 4:59 AM
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ARB would most likely not approve a canopy. The would not have had one historically.
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Old Posted Jun 21, 2008, 11:23 AM
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Welcome futuremm

Has anyone heard anything about the possible fourth hotel? The alleyway is really humming with work. Anyone know when Kyser's restaurant is going to open. Anymore news about the big Alabama chain restaurant? I was at a party with an RSA building higher up guy last night (can't name). Not surprisingly, no legislative building in the near future. He said we are talking over 200 million to build. Not going to happen in today's economy. He said that no one has ever done what Bronner is doing with the Judicial building as far as hanging the size steel over an existing building. It will make national news in the building world. It is still going to be an ugly building in my estimation. The RSA guy said, as the renderings indicate, it will be a combination of Morris Dees' building and the existing RSA buildings. The large crane will go up soon.
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Old Posted Jun 21, 2008, 1:22 PM
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Kyser is working on "finding the right restaurant to compliment their banquet space upstairs." As for the large chain restaurant, you should hear more very soon, they are working out all the details right now. I'll let you know on here as soon as they tell me it can go public.
The Judicial building monstrosity is going to be using the largest steel beams ever, or at least in recent building history to span the old building which is noteworthy, but i still think it is a horrible disaster to build where it is.
The fourth hotel is a Hyatt but I am not sure when the construction will start.
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Old Posted Jun 21, 2008, 2:52 PM
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Thanks hiijakd
Do you know anything about the progress at Grandview? I really worry about the economic downturn's impact on these great projects. I was in Nashville last week. The people I met with pretty much said that Signature Tower is a dead project. It is supposed to be being redesigned to allow for more office space and fewer condos. One guy said it was being redesigned to nonexistent. I hope the economic situation does not impact the possbility of a Hyatt and the completion of Grandview. We are going to see a slow down on new projects for which money has not already been allocated. We need to enjoy the current boom which is an extension of the former good economy.
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Old Posted Jun 21, 2008, 3:24 PM
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Sorry

Sorry, you cannot trust an old man on a computer.
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Old Posted Jun 21, 2008, 4:53 PM
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Kim is still working on the Grandview. He has altered the plans some and he also has to commute to VA a few weeks a month. Last time I was up there he had finished framing 6 of the 30 or so units but all the work is starting on upper floors so thats why it looks dead.
One of the interesting things about development, especially on a smaller scale, is that just about the only people working in the industry now are those that are doing "smart code/growth" projects. And with gas prices continuing to go up, downtown is really going to start looking more attractive.
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Old Posted Jun 23, 2008, 1:39 AM
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This is true. Fox And nbc reported that urban living has had huge increases.the trend to down size and be closer to work. google real estate trends. i'm in cottage hills a stone throw from grandview. you can go to montgomery-city-guide(dot) com to learn more about me and what we are about. how about an october fest down town somewhere?
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Old Posted Jun 23, 2008, 3:01 AM
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Isn't there a "Riverfest" downtown under the train shed during October?
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today's front page feature

The future of Alabama's history


Frank White, left, executive director of the Alabama Historical Commission, stands in the historic state Capitol rotunda. (Julie Bennett)

By Kenneth Mullinax
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The Alabama Historical Commission is as worried about the future these days as it is about the past.

Certainly, money -- or rather the lack of it -- has brows furrowed over at the commission. But so does a self-proclaimed case of mistaken identity.

Executive Director Frank White knows many Alabamians confuse his group with the Department of Archives and History -- because it's easy to do.

Both are state agencies and both deal with preservation. But White points out that each has a distinct mission.

The commission is responsible for the safeguarding of 21 historic buildings and sites, 12 of which are open to the public. The archives and history department, under the leadership of Ed Bridges, is charged with preserving historical records and artifacts and promoting Alabama history.

"I tell people the big difference between the two is the Alabama Historical Commission preserves places and the Alabama Department of Archives and History preserves paper," White said tongue-in-cheek.

Bridges, too, knows all about the public's bewilderment. It stems from a time long ago, he said, when both agencies had the same leader. Bridges himself is on the 21-member commission.

"It's a long established and deep-rooted problem that's been ongoing for the entire 26 years I've been the director," Bridges said.

Since taking the helm Jan. 2, White has kept busy speaking to community and church groups as well as architects and foundations about the commission's historic preservation efforts.

Two Saturdays ago, for example, White drove to Decatur to meet with the foundation that helps maintain the home of Gen. "Fighting Joe" Wheeler, a property operated by the commission. Just last week, he spoke to several civic clubs and the annual meeting of Alabama's architects in Mobile.

Educating the public about the commission is vital to safeguarding the state's heritage, White said.

"Unfortunately, we get too many calls at the commission at the very last minute before bulldozers are about to knock down one of Alabama's historic structures," he said.

The commission oversees a variety of programs, most notably the Alabama Register of Landmarks and Heritage and The National Register of Historic Places. State designations come from the commission and White submits nominations to the national register, which is administered by the U.S. Interior Department.

Other commission projects include:


Historic designations for cemeteries at least 40 years old. Earlier this month, the commission gave the designation to the cemetery at Bethlehem Primitive Baptist Church in south Montgomery County.


Placement of markers, approved by staff members, at historically significant buildings and sites.


Research on early Alabama architecture as well as the maintenance of architectural archives and the development of an electronic database on architects and builders in the state.


Historic impact assessments for all federal construction projects in-state and architectural surveys for cities.

To prove White's point about education, it was an informed citizen who brought the Lowndesboro Colored School to the commission's attention.

The agency has added the building, one of the state's few remaining 19th-century schools for black children, to a list of places that will be lost if it isn't repaired immediately.

"This school is a historical gem, which must be preserved so future generations will understand it's important historical and educational significance," White said.

The sites that the commission oversees, scattered throughout the state, include everything from the forts of early settlers to antebellum mansions to the Capitol.

Newest on the state's historic register is an old bus depot downtown.

"Montgomery's Greyhound Bus Station is on our list of properties because it is the site where the historic civil rights Freedom Bus Riders were assaulted by segregationists in 1961," White said.

All that the commission does doesn't come cheap. White has a $3.7 million budget for fiscal 2008.

The commission's staff is 66 strong, according to outreach director Ellen Mertins. By comparison, the archives and history department has a 2008 fiscal budget of $5 million and 52 employees.

The commission's budget has been on a roller coaster ride for the last six years. In 2003, the total was $4.2 million. Two years later, the amount had dropped to $2.7 million.

The number has been inching up the last three years and White will get the same $3.7 million in fiscal 2009, which starts Oct. 1, that he did this year. But with the past years of budget cuts came staff layoffs, from 104 workers down to the current 66.

White is mindful of how the commission spends its money. He ordered his employees to take fewer road trips to the historic sites -- every trip must be approved in advance -- and he shortened the hours of operations at many of the sites.

The Belle Mont Mansion in Tuscumbia, for example, can now be seen by appointment only. The antebellum home used to be open to visitors all week long.

"We are working hard to be good stewards of our state's budget," White said.

White came to Alabama from the Georgia Trust for Historic Preservation, which oversaw the Endangered Properties Division. Georgia's state historical office owns no properties or historic sites.

During his first month of office, White visited each of the commission's sites and met each of the employees, from the state's archeologist to the groundskeepers.

He had a one-on-one appointment with Gov. Bob Riley after two months on the job.

"I was only supposed to meet with Gov. Riley for 15 minutes, but we chatted for almost an hour," White said, "and he provided me with some interesting ideas to help our properties."

The men discussed ways to attract more visitors -- especially children -- to the historic sites, since those admissions help fund the commission's work.

"I'm excited about the future," White said. "Alabama has significant architectural and archeological resources we need to put forth so more people can have a greater appreciation of our state's history."
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Old Posted Jun 24, 2008, 4:31 PM
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Not the best of news...

From this morning's Montgomery Advertiser:

http://www.montgomeryadvertiser.com/apps...D=/20080627/NEWS01/806270314/1007/NEWS01

City planners cut meeting dates
By Jill Nolin • [email protected] • June 27, 2008

Growth in Montgomery has slowed so much the governing body that deals with development is cutting its meeting schedule in half -- from two meetings a month to one.

The Montgomery Planning Commission won't go back to its original schedule until its workload of projects to review builds back up.

"Right now, our economy has really slowed down in all areas of building," said commission chairman Greg Calhoun.

Calhoun said the nine-member board made its decision after repeatedly showing up for meetings that sometimes only have two items on the agenda and would last only minutes.

"I've been through tougher times than this," said Calhoun, who has owned Calhoun Foods for 23 years. "I've been around long enough to see that these things do pass, but you have to adjust to what comes along."

Montgomery Planning Director Ken Groves said Thursday's agenda was the heaviest in 2008, and that could be an early indication that things are beginning to turn around for the local economy.

Any increase in construction would be a much-needed positive sign, said Groves. Tax revenues are down by about 5.5 percent, or as much as $8 million, with sales tax revenues accounting for more than $3.1 million of that shortfall.

More rooftops and stores translate into more money trickling into city coffers.

"Usually, we don't have much of a slow down (in activity), but we have this year," Groves said. "Economic activity is what we depend on."

While Thursday's offerings filled up the agenda, the plans were mostly for offices, most of which were in east Montgomery, or minor expansions around town. But commissioners did approve plans for a new Auto Zone store on Vaughn Road.

Commissioner Carl Head, who has been in the construction business for 51 years, said the residential construction sector has been hit especially hard.

"This is the worst I've ever seen in 51 years of business," said Head, who has served on the commission since 1988.

Calhoun said those struggles could continue for a few more months.

"There are not as many homes being built, and there's a saturation of homes that need to be sold," he said.

The only residential project discussed Thursday was Montgomery Habitat for Humanity's plan to build eight homes on the south side of Alabama River Parkway.
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Old Posted Jun 28, 2008, 12:46 PM
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Montgomery fair owner said that more than half of his units are already leased. and suggest by the time they are ready to open they will be full.
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