NEW YORK | 175 Park Avenue (Grand Hyatt) | 1,581 FT | 92 FLOORS

[ChiND]

Originally Posted by NYguy

The thing about 175 Park Avenue is that it’s extremely rare to get the oppurtunity for this much office space - 2 msf - in a brand new tower in east Midtown. With the exception of JPMC’s purpose built 270 Park, there hasn’t been a tower of that size in the area since the Pan Am Building (Metlife) was constructed. That seems nuts, but it was mainly due to zoning. Even now, with the new zoning, it still remains a rare oppurtunity due to lack of sites that can accomodate the zoning to produce such a large tower. That’s just one reason I know this tower will be filled. It’s more suitable at this point for companies seeking larger chunks of space (500,000 sf or more), due to the larger floorplates - there’s nothing similar planned in Midtown East. Hudson Yards is still a competitor, especially as Related has been in talks with companies to anchor its own 2 msf+ tower there (and we know they always get somebody). But many companies will not want to leave east Midtown at all, and 175 Park will be calling, especially as construction gets underway. I’m not concerned so much with the “who” at this point.

[ChiND]

I’ve always loved June for Father’s Day and Bloomsday. This June, however, we may have a lot more to celebrate!

https://a810-dobnow.nyc.gov/publish/inde...?JobId=M01347992&UserId=PublicPortalUser

[NYguy]

A further sign that work will begin.


Note that the height number isn't the final height number...

High-Rise Determination (BC 202) - What is the distance between the highest occupied floor and the lowest level of fire department vehicular access?

1519 Feet

Zoning: Total Building Stories 95

Total Building Square Footage

3,019,530

Hotel on floors 83-90.

[The New York Lion]

Can't wait to hear who the tenant is.

[NYguy]

I don't care so much about the tenant as much as I do to see this building rise, though that will be interesting to see. I was expecting to see a demo permit before a new building permit, but demo and construction are supposed to begin at the same time. The groundwork of filings have to be complete before actual work begins on either, so it's good to see things in motion.

One surprising thing, I was expecting the highest occupied space to be somewhere in the lower 1,400's. So either there's occupied space in the crown, the crown is cut very short, or the building itself is higher than we thought it would be. Either way, good to see another 1,500 footer on the way in the city.

[ChiND]

The Capital of the World!!!

[NYguy]

Demo permits may be filed under the old address (109 E. 42nd), but there's still nothing there. The total zonage has tipped above 3 msf.

[Crawford]

That height number has to mean the building is at least 1,600 ft., no? The height of the tallest occupied floor isn't close to the height at the top of the structure.

I know 175 Park was approved for up to 1,646 ft. I hope we get something that approaches that height.

[NYguy]

^ We'll just have to wait and see. Could be an error. Or it could just be a taller building. We can see that in includes a bit more space, and a few more floors than previously stated. But that doesn't mean anything in a building this tall.


Some additional details from the filing:

Indicate the number of elevators................72

Indicate the number of Elevators with a rise of 75 feet or greater...........65

Indicate the number of Escalators....................6

[Zapatan]

Originally Posted by Crawford

That height number has to mean the building is at least 1,600 ft., no? The height of the tallest occupied floor isn't close to the height at the top of the structure.

I know 175 Park was approved for up to 1,646 ft. I hope we get something that approaches that height.

IIRC in the 1,580' design the occupied height was around 1,400' but they've obviously VE'd and shortened the crown a little so the occupied floor would be closer to the top.

I'd guess 1,650' - 1,700 range if true but I'm not getting my hopes up. Wouldn't that require resubmitting approvals?

[NYguy]

^ No, at the time of approval the height was said to be 1,175 ft. I don’t believe that to be a height limit, but even if it were, height limits in NYC refer to the “main” roof of the building, not things like bulkhead and parapet heights.

[Zapatan]

Originally Posted by NYguy

^ No, at the time of approval the height was said to be 1,175 ft. I don’t believe that to be a height limit, but even if it were, height limits in NYC refer to the “main” roof of the building, not things like bulkhead and parapet heights.

Isn't the current envelope 1,653' or something? Crazy if that referred to a solid roof.

Go big or go home.

[NYguy]

Originally Posted by Zapatan

Isn't the current envelope 1,653' or something? Crazy if that referred to a solid roof.

It could be an error. But given that the filing is for a slightly larger building, with a few extra floors than we were expecting, it may be accurate. At least, I'm hoping it is. If not, It's still a 1,500 ft + building. Nothing to sneeze at. This all while 350 Park, 2 WTC, and a few Extell supertalls get underway. It's even possible, given the way this is phased, that actual foundation work begins here before 350 Park.

[pianowizard]

The highest floor in the US is 1,417 ft, at Central Park Tower. The next highest is Sears/Willis Tower's 1,354 ft.

1,519 ft would be an amazing new record! If built today, it would be ranked 10th in the world. Even if it's a typo and the real figure is 1,419 ft, that would still be a new US record albeit barely.

[mrnyc]

Originally Posted by pianowizard

The highest floor in the US is 1,417 ft, at Central Park Tower. The next highest is Sears/Willis Tower's 1,354 ft.

1,519 ft would be an amazing new record! If built today, it would be ranked 10th in the world. Even if it's a typo and the real figure is 1,419 ft, that would still be a new US record albeit barely.

since we’re in the running here this is a very good post to have for reference, thanks for looking it up for us.

almost time to get out the popcorn.

[NYguy]

Originally Posted by pianowizard

The highest floor in the US is 1,417 ft, at Central Park Tower. The next highest is Sears/Willis Tower's 1,354 ft.

1,519 ft would be an amazing new record! If built today, it would be ranked 10th in the world. Even if it's a typo and the real figure is 1,419 ft, that would still be a new US record albeit barely.

Yes, the "5" in that figure looks good.

Filings give us 8 floors of hotel space, and about 5 floors of mechanical space above that. So, if that is a correct number, this tower would be approaching or exceeding the 1,600 ft number.

This may not be the current version, but you can see where the hotel at the top would go....

[NYguy]

One of the things that changed when this tower was approved, was the change of the hotel to an extended stay hotel. That's a distinction that places the hotel in the category of residential space, although it wasn't analyzed as such. Here in the filings you can see the classification of the final floors.

[ChiND]

The man: Xing!

[Zapatan]

Not as much of a fan of the open air crown, it would look better enclosed.

I hope it's 95 real floors and not just skipped for marketing purposes, seems so since that aligns with the new highest floor.

This all seems too good to be true, but then again I was pleasantly surprised to see Central Park Tower shatter the US roof record less than a decade back so maybe it could happen?

[NYguy]

Originally Posted by Zapatan

I hope it's 95 real floors and not just skipped for marketing purposes, seems so since that aligns with the new highest floor.

Every floor is accounted for. I may post it later. Ultimately, these floors will probably be classified as higher, like many of the other buildings going up.