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Old Posted Jul 11, 2012, 3:51 AM
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You people are unbelievable. Seriously? Destroy one of the few remaining historic buildings for a parking lot or an expansion of the convention center?
I don't know much about the building, and don't really care either way what is done with it, but it's not like it's the Taj Mahal or, more fitting for the southwest, the Alamo.
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Old Posted Jul 11, 2012, 4:41 AM
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You people are unbelievable. Seriously? Destroy one of the few remaining historic buildings for a parking lot or an expansion of the convention center?
There's a reason I keep several people here on ignore.

Anyway, demo at the Cadence/Plaza Centro lot is getting under way.

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Growing Foothills area now a part of Tucson

It wasn't very long ago people living at River and Craycroft on Tucson's east side lived in a countrified, rural setting. But times have changed.
Now, the city of Tucson has voted to annex the area and approve a development plan which calls for more housing, shops, restaurants and a seven-story hotel.
In a 6-1 vote, Councilmember Kozachik was the only member of the council in opposition.
Many residents in the neighborhood are not happy about it.
The city has received about 50 letters in support of it but about 150 letters against.
Area residents say they worry about the increase in traffic and traffic accidents.
The Tucson City Council heard public testimony on the proposed re-zoning and voted on the annexation tonight during its evening session.
Basis Charter school is set to open just east of the intersection this fall adding more than 2,000 car trips a day.
A Quik Trip gas station on one corner of the intersection is nearing completion.
The city of Tucson is eyeing the sales tax and other revenue which may be generated by the new development.
But some neighbors are worried about the nearby river walk, desert preservation and open space.
The property sits in unincorporated Pima County now.
Tucson has been trying to annex the Catalina Foothills for decades without much success. Late Mayor Lew Murphy dreamed of a mountain to mountain city but it never materialized.
In his recent state of the city address, Mayor Jonathan Rothschild said one of his priorities is a renewed interest in annexation.
The biggest reason is state shared revenues are based on the population in cities and towns. With so much unincorporated area surrounding Tucson, the valley loses millions of dollars annually.
Annexation is a way of keeping those dollars in Southern Arizona.
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Old Posted Jul 11, 2012, 5:58 AM
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Council approves $1.1 mill facelift for Marist College

TUCSON, AZ (Tucson News Now) -
The Tucson city council decided Tuesday to spend $1.1 million to preserve Marist College.
The building has been part of downtown Tucson since 1915 but has fallen into disrepair in recent years.
It's owned by the Tucson Diocese. It's been unoccupied since 2002.
Two corners of the building collapsed six years ago and had to be shored up. They are now ugly reminders of how the once popular downtown asset has turned into blight.
The building is one of the first things people see when leaving the TCC, as conventioneers from all over the country do.
It's the tallest adobe building in Arizona at 52 feet.
The city will use Community Block Grant Funds for the restoration.
It's on the Registry of Historic Places.
A local Tucson developer, Peach Properties, has suggested the building be turned into office space and restaurant.
We're told besides the million dollars to restore it, it could take another $2 million in refurbishing work inside.
"We will make sure that this is preserved for future generations," says Damion Clinco, a member of the Tucson Historic Foundation.
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Old Posted Jul 11, 2012, 6:01 AM
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Growing Foothills area now a part of Tucson

It wasn't very long ago people living at River and Craycroft on Tucson's east side lived in a countrified, rural setting. But times have changed.
Now, the city of Tucson has voted to annex the area and approve a development plan which calls for more housing, shops, restaurants and a seven-story hotel.
In a 6-1 vote, Councilmember Kozachik was the only member of the council in opposition.
Many residents in the neighborhood are not happy about it.
The city has received about 50 letters in support of it but about 150 letters against.
Area residents say they worry about the increase in traffic and traffic accidents.
The Tucson City Council heard public testimony on the proposed re-zoning and voted on the annexation tonight during its evening session.
Basis Charter school is set to open just east of the intersection this fall adding more than 2,000 car trips a day.
A Quik Trip gas station on one corner of the intersection is nearing completion.
The city of Tucson is eyeing the sales tax and other revenue which may be generated by the new development.
But some neighbors are worried about the nearby river walk, desert preservation and open space.
The property sits in unincorporated Pima County now.
Tucson has been trying to annex the Catalina Foothills for decades without much success. Late Mayor Lew Murphy dreamed of a mountain to mountain city but it never materialized.
In his recent state of the city address, Mayor Jonathan Rothschild said one of his priorities is a renewed interest in annexation.
The biggest reason is state shared revenues are based on the population in cities and towns. With so much unincorporated area surrounding Tucson, the valley loses millions of dollars annually.
Annexation is a way of keeping those dollars in Southern Arizona.
Seven-floor hotel, which will probably never be built, aside, it seems like the residents, or at least the author, are using developments approved by the county as evidence of how traffic will increase as part of the incorporation. Yeah, BASIS and QT will bring in more traffic, but those developments were approved under the status quo development allowance. They don't reflect on the annexation in any way whatsoever.

These vague logical fallacies continue in statements like, "But some neighbors are worried about the nearby river walk, desert preservation and open space." In short, why? Nothing presented to this point has called into question the preservation of those features.

What's funny is that this reads like a bad local news broadcast transcript, which happens to be what it is. In any case, traffic and urbanization issues are more unmitigated at the county level than at the city level so using those points as reasons to avoid annexation is disingenuous at best.
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Old Posted Jul 11, 2012, 6:02 AM
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Council approves $1.1 mill facelift for Marist College

TUCSON, AZ (Tucson News Now) -
The Tucson city council decided Tuesday to spend $1.1 million to preserve Marist College.
The building has been part of downtown Tucson since 1915 but has fallen into disrepair in recent years.
It's owned by the Tucson Diocese. It's been unoccupied since 2002.
Two corners of the building collapsed six years ago and had to be shored up. They are now ugly reminders of how the once popular downtown asset has turned into blight.
The building is one of the first things people see when leaving the TCC, as conventioneers from all over the country do.
It's the tallest adobe building in Arizona at 52 feet.
The city will use Community Block Grant Funds for the restoration.
It's on the Registry of Historic Places.
A local Tucson developer, Peach Properties, has suggested the building be turned into office space and restaurant.
We're told besides the million dollars to restore it, it could take another $2 million in refurbishing work inside.
"We will make sure that this is preserved for future generations," says Damion Clinco, a member of the Tucson Historic Foundation.
Awesome. I guess we won't see a six-floor mini Sears like RitaRancher probably prefers, but this is great news.
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Old Posted Jul 11, 2012, 6:05 AM
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You people are unbelievable. Seriously? Destroy one of the few remaining historic buildings for a parking lot or an expansion of the convention center?
I was being sarcastic! The Marist building clearly has huge historical and architectural value. Not sure what it will be, but it's only a matter of time until it's saved, I would think. We can't just watch it melt...
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I was being sarcastic! The Marist building clearly has huge historical and architectural value. Not sure what it will be, but it's only a matter of time until it's saved, I would think. We can't just watch it melt...
I sensed your comment was sarcastic! I was going to say "more parking lots!?!" but then I was like wait...

I like the idea of it being a restaurant though. It is so unique and the fact that it is the tallest adobe house in Arizona makes it that much more special. Whoever occupies it, I hope they make it into something that many people can visit and appreciate.

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Old Posted Jul 11, 2012, 5:27 PM
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I was being sarcastic! The Marist building clearly has huge historical and architectural value. Not sure what it will be, but it's only a matter of time until it's saved, I would think. We can't just watch it melt...
Glad to hear you were being sarcastic
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Many faded, older neighborhoods across the country have attracted residents and investors interested in urban redevelopment and historic preservation--and often, gentrification. However, Tucson's dilemma is that many of its nearly 7,000 historic structures in 31 historic-designated districts are in working-class areas with few incentives for reinvestment:



A Barrio Viejo property owned by the father of Tucson Mayor Jonathan Rothschild.
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Demolition by Neglect
Left to decay, historic homes continue to disappear

by Tim Vanderpool
Tucson Weekly
July 1, 2012

There's a house on my block that probably dates back to the early 1900s, with stout adobe walls and a squat chimney in the corner. For years, there was an old man living there, but he is now gone. His passing revealed a substantial debt on the house, and none of his relatives would pick up the tab. So the old man's house is now owned by the bank, which apparently is quite content to see it simply wither away. The roof has split open in spots, allowing monsoon rains to seep in. Tree roots are wrenching the ancient foundation; a porch is buckling from disrepair. This humble home, like many others in my neighborhood, is a bonafide piece of history. And like so many others, it is slipping away through benign neglect. At some point, whoever comes to own the house might find demolition far cheaper than bringing it back to life.

That notion, common throughout Tucson's historic neighborhoods, came into sharp focus recently as several new overlay zones were implemented in the central city. Critics say these zones, ostensibly aimed at spurring development, actually encourage the demolition of decaying historic properties, and putting shiny new buildings in their place. At the same time, the city has flimsy deterrence, with meager fines for demolition of historic properties without first obtaining permits, and no money to help struggling historic property owners who do want to maintain their homes.

Like my own Armory Park neighborhood, the West University neighborhood—scene of a recent and bitter fight about an overlay zone that will allow 14-story private dorms next to single-family dwellings—is pocked with aging properties that could easily slide into complete decay and ultimate demolition. "People are doing neglect for the sake of neglect," says Chris Gans, president of the West University Neighborhood Association. "We have a number of them in our neighborhood. They rent the houses out; they don't put any money into (maintaining) the outside. They're run-down and really crappy." Owners complain that their properties aren't worth the money to repair them. "But those homes are a part of history," Gans says. "You can keep making those kinds of arguments until there's nothing left."

But a familiar argument it is, and one that brushes right up against City Hall. Lowell Rothschild is the father of Tucson Mayor Jonathan Rothschild, and co-owner of a frontier-era adobe building in downtown's Barrio Viejo that has sat empty for years, its window frames covered with warped plywood, the crumbling adobe walls exposed to sunlight and rain. In 2010, city officials took compliance action against the owners for such disrepair. But those owners appealed, gaining them another five years before repairs of the building must be done. In past interviews, Mayor Rothschild has said his father was simply waiting for the real estate market to rebound before taking action on the property. Today, it sports a "for sale" sign out front.

But according to Jonathan Mabry, the city's historic-preservation officer, taking a hard line in such situations can spur unintended consequences. "If the city pushes too hard on the owners of a historic building that's really in bad shape," he says, "one way they can come into compliance with the building code and all the other regulations is to knock it down." The goal, says Mabry, is preservation rather than punishment. "In those situations, the city is willing to work with the property owners on a long-term plan, beginning with stabilization and blight remediation—not having the doors and windows boarded up forever. "We're more interested in saving the building and ameliorating blight for the neighbors than in winning in court or collecting fines."

That's hardly just an academic point in a city with 6,960 historically designated properties, and 31 districts now listed with the National Register of Historic Places. Five of those districts also have locally designated historic preservation zoning overlays. Unlike the national registry, the local designations have some regulatory teeth, with enforceable design guidelines, and mandatory reviews of significant changes proposed for building exteriors. They also govern demolitions, in what Mabry calls a "rigorous" process. He argues that the city also does a good job of requiring property owners to maintain their historic buildings. "But there are cases where the buildings are pretty far gone—they're basically adobe ruins—and we have worked with the property owners." Bringing those buildings up to current codes and making them inhabitable can incur "tremendous costs," he says. While some owners can afford the expense, he calls it a misconception that historic districts are filled with rich people able to restore their properties on a whim. "It may be the case in historic districts in other cities," Mabry says. "But Tucson has a number of working-class historic neighborhoods."

This reality was spotlighted recently when a state lawmaker moved to gut property-tax breaks awarded to the owners of historic properties. "She had the perception that only wealthy people lived in historic districts, and are benefiting from this tax break," he says. "We had to help educate (the Legislature), and say, 'Well, that's not the case in a lot of Tucson's historic districts. That property-tax break, which goes back to the early 1970s, is the margin of difference for some longtime Hispanic families in older parts of town—the difference between them being able to continue living in their ancestral homes, or being forced out.'"

It can also be the margin that keeps a building from getting razed. And every demolition carries a price far beyond the destruction of a single property. For districts to retain their national historic designation, more than 50 percent of their structures must have historic status. Some Tucson neighborhoods are inching precariously close to that threshold; the Barrio Anita Historic District, near St. Mary's Road and Interstate 10, has already lost 43 percent of its historic properties. Nor is the West University neighborhood—site of the recent city rezoning overlay—that far behind. Mabry noted as much at a City Council meeting on Dec. 13, when he described how 55 contributing structures have been demolished since West University's historic district was created in 1984. The rezoning, he said, could remove many more. "Clearly, previous councils found rationales compelling (demolition) about 50 times. Twenty-nine property owners in the transition area now have a significant incentive to apply for demolition applications. Based on the historical trend that I just described, it's not far-fetched to think that 10, 15 years from now, all or a majority of those historic properties will have demolition applications approved for them. ... That type of erosion to the historic district may lead to a loss of the historic district designation over time." Clearly, there are two types of demolition by neglect: Those perpetrated by sly and slovenly property owners, and those executed by government fiat. And both take the same grim toll.


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Old Posted Jul 13, 2012, 1:42 AM
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Growing Foothills area now a part of Tucson

It wasn't very long ago people living at River and Craycroft on Tucson's east side lived in a countrified, rural setting. But times have changed.
Now, the city of Tucson has voted to annex the area and approve a development plan which calls for more housing, shops, restaurants and a seven-story hotel.
In a 6-1 vote, Councilmember Kozachik was the only member of the council in opposition.
Many residents in the neighborhood are not happy about it.
The city has received about 50 letters in support of it but about 150 letters against.
Area residents say they worry about the increase in traffic and traffic accidents.
The Tucson City Council heard public testimony on the proposed re-zoning and voted on the annexation tonight during its evening session.
Basis Charter school is set to open just east of the intersection this fall adding more than 2,000 car trips a day.
A Quik Trip gas station on one corner of the intersection is nearing completion.
The city of Tucson is eyeing the sales tax and other revenue which may be generated by the new development.
But some neighbors are worried about the nearby river walk, desert preservation and open space.
The property sits in unincorporated Pima County now.
Tucson has been trying to annex the Catalina Foothills for decades without much success. Late Mayor Lew Murphy dreamed of a mountain to mountain city but it never materialized.
In his recent state of the city address, Mayor Jonathan Rothschild said one of his priorities is a renewed interest in annexation.
The biggest reason is state shared revenues are based on the population in cities and towns. With so much unincorporated area surrounding Tucson, the valley loses millions of dollars annually.
Annexation is a way of keeping those dollars in Southern Arizona.
According to the 2010 census there are 126,000+ people living in the outskirts of Tucson, Marana, Vail and other official towns. The CDP's (Census-Designated-Places) are Casas Adobes(60,000) Catalina Foothills (50,000) Flowing Wells (16,000) and Tanque Verde (16,000) living in places without a Mayor or city council. There are some real economic benefits from incorporating that land. The Luxary hotels, Tucson Auto Mall, 95% of Tucson's wealthiest live there. Our city will collect lots more taxes. In the east and south of Tucson we have Rincon Valley (5,000) Summit (5,000) A Big Gap In the Middle of the South Side (~10,000). It's time for our city gain more land for our growing population.
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According to the 2010 census there are 126,000+ people living in the outskirts of Tucson, Marana, Vail and other official towns. The CDP's (Census-Designated-Places) are Casas Adobes(60,000) Catalina Foothills (50,000) Flowing Wells (16,000) and Tanque Verde (16,000) living in places without a Mayor or city council. There are some real economic benefits from incorporating that land. The Luxary hotels, Tucson Auto Mall, 95% of Tucson's wealthiest live there. Our city will collect lots more taxes. In the east and south of Tucson we have Rincon Valley (5,000) Summit (5,000) A Big Gap In the Middle of the South Side (~10,000). It's time for our city gain more land for our growing population.
Approximately 1/3 of the population in the Tucson Metro Area (Pima Co.) lives in unincorporated areas. This includes Casas Adobes, Catalina Foothills, Flowing Wells, Tanque Verde, Green Valley, Vail (though there have been steps to incorporate Vail), Littletown, Tucson Estates, Corona de Tucson, and more. Maricopa County has approximately 8-10% of its population in unincorporated areas. This is just one of many reasons (much higher population in the Phoenix area, higher median & mean income in Phoenix area) why the Phoenix area is much wealthier than the Tucson area. Though annexation and/or incorporation of all these areas is not going to solve all our problems, it would be a help and a good start. Even if all these places are not annexed by Tucson, just incorporating (like Vail is exploring) would draw more state funds to the area.
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Fourth Ave. fence-free, but just for the weekend

It's a fence-free weekend for shoppers and diners on North Fourth Avenue. The construction fencing that has made it difficult to get around on the north end of the entertainment district for a few months is coming down today. It's a short reprieve though, because the fencing will be erected on the southern portion of Fourth Avenue on Monday.

Fences going down

Crews finished paving the section of Fourth Avenue north of Sixth Street on Thursday allowing the fencing to come down, said city project manager Jesse Gutierrez.

This segment of the project is "a tiny bit ahead of schedule," he said. Overhead wires and poles will be installed in the fall, he said. …

Fences going up

Beginning Monday, fences will be set up on Fourth Avenue south of Sixth Street.

The first step in construction for that segment of the line is tearing up the pavement, which will take about a week, Gutierrez said.

"The next portion is going to have a little more access in terms of parking and side street access," he added. …
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Not downtown, but good news for a busy intersection nonetheless.

http://azstarnet.com/entertainment/b...a4bcf887a.html

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Short move for longtime Tucson deli

After nearly 35 years at 2334 N. First Ave., the Sausage Deli is turning the corner.

The little sub and sandwich shop, which has become a Tucson institution since it was established in 1978, will move a few yards to the north, facing Grant Road.

Walgreens wanted the corner, prompting discussions for a way to keep the Sausage Deli nearby, deli owner Chris Fanelli said.

“I feel like we’ve done everything we could to make our surrounding neighborhood happy with this,” he said.

The new deli will go where Los Betos stood, and at 2,200 square feet will be larger than the original, which was a cozy 1,400 square feet. Customers will still be able to reach it from both First Avenue and Grant Road.
For the past year, at least, the Shell station sat there empty and fenced off. I just figured that the owners had owned both Shell stations on that corner and closed the one when the economy went bad, but it turns out Walgreen's was sitting on the property. The move for Sausage Deli, plus extended hours and a dedicated bar area should be great for them in the long-term.

Speaking of Walgreen's sitting on property, I'm almost positive this is what's happening at the old NAPA garage at Campbell/Kino and Broadway. The garage moved to a much nicer place on Plumer but it doesn't make sense to just abandon a prime piece of real estate. This all tells me they sold it, paid for the new garage with that money, and the new owner is just waiting to develop the lot. Given the lot size, Walgreen's or fast food makes the most sense.
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Not downtown, but good news for a busy intersection nonetheless.

http://azstarnet.com/entertainment/b...a4bcf887a.html



For the past year, at least, the Shell station sat there empty and fenced off. I just figured that the owners had owned both Shell stations on that corner and closed the one when the economy went bad, but it turns out Walgreen's was sitting on the property. The move for Sausage Deli, plus extended hours and a dedicated bar area should be great for them in the long-term.

Speaking of Walgreen's sitting on property, I'm almost positive this is what's happening at the old NAPA garage at Campbell/Kino and Broadway. The garage moved to a much nicer place on Plumer but it doesn't make sense to just abandon a prime piece of real estate. This all tells me they sold it, paid for the new garage with that money, and the new owner is just waiting to develop the lot. Given the lot size, Walgreen's or fast food makes the most sense.
So, I was wondering how this all might fit into the Grant Rd. widening, and it turns out this is in the 2nd segment (the corner of 1st Ave./Euclid & Grant), but as I was looking into it I found this on the Tucson city's web-sight.

"On Monday, July 16, 2012, work will begin on improvements to the Grant Road and Oracle Road Intersection. During the first phase of the intersection improvement project, crews from Falcone Brothers & Associates, Inc., under contract to the Tucson Department of Transportation (TDOT), will remove the median islands on Grant Road. Intersection work will also include the installation of temporary traffic signals. Traffic will be restricted to two lanes in each direction. Crews will be working from 6 a.m. to 3:30 p.m., Monday through Friday.
The project is scheduled to be complete in July 2013.
Please use caution when driving, bicycling or walking in the work area. Please obey all traffic control devices and water for construction personnel and equipment in the work zone.
The $7.5 million RTA-Funded project will widen Grant Road to six lanes from 15th Avenue to Castro Street, with median island right-turn lane modifications along Oracle Road from Alturas Street south to Rillito Street. As part of the roadway widening, the intersection of Grant Road and Oracle road will be reconstructed to provide indirect left turn intersection operations."

It looks like they are finally getting started on the 1st segment, like, on Monday. I don't go to that area as much as I used to. When I first moved here about 3 & 1/2 years ago I lived in an apartment on Speedway & Alvernon, so I would go up to Grant (& Alvernon) to go to Fry's. Now that I'm in a house @ Camino Seco & Escalante I don't have the need to go up to Grant that much, but, I do know this is needed. Grant is busy, especially where it goes down to 2 lanes from Swan to Oracle. I can remember Grant & Alvernon being a nightmare at times. I would be driving north up Alvernon and it the light would be so backed up it would take me 2 or 3 signals just to get to turn right into Fry's (though some of this is because there is no right turn lane and people turning had to wait for pedestrians to cross Grant - but this will be alleviated when they rebuild the intersection and put in a turn lane).
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Construction: Sun Link modern streetcar


Pavement and rails in place on section of 4th Ave.; Maintenance & Storage Facility going vertical.
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This opinion piece just appeared on Inside Tucson Business' websight:

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Interstate 11 is Arizona’s highway to opportunity

Amid the news of two significant Supreme Court decisions at the end of June, Congress ended a three year ordeal and passed a long-awaited extension of highway and transit funding. After nine prior extensions of the 2009 transportation bill, a final, one-week extension was filed to provide sufficient time to obtain President Obama’s signature. The bill, which has been touted as providing “unprecedented reforms,” is valid for only two years as opposed to the optimal five years necessary for effective long-term planning. After all the political wrangling, the bill finally awaits the president’s signature.

A significant accomplishment of the $100 billion federal transportation bill is its inclusion of language designating the Interstate 11 corridor and making it eligible for interstate highway funds. In Arizona, the corridor would create an interstate freeway directly connecting Phoenix and Las Vegas. ...

It's about time, I say. The thought of connecting Tucson and Phoenix to Las Vegas is great and exciting. This not only means quicker trips between LV & Phoenix/Tucson, but the chance for more shipping and travelers, which could mean more money spent on hotels, gas, food, etc... in our area (and thus more jobs). I found these maps the web-sight for the Maricopa Association of Governments (MAG). They are from 2009. The route in AZ would follow US-93 south from the new Boulder Dam bypass around Kingman (most likely following I-40 for a short bit, like the route does now), then southeast, around Wickenburg, then more south as it goes west of Buckeye, bypassing most of the Phoenix metro area before it connects with I-10 just north of Casa Grande. There is a chance that I-11 might become our state's first toll-road because of the multi-billion dollar cost. There are discussions in Nevada and the Las Vegas area about building a Boulder City bypass (even if I-11 never comes about, or even before it does) since that is a major bottleneck. Nevada, this month, is starting a $2.5 million study to see if I-11 is feasible.

Here are those maps from the MAG web-sight I promised:
http://interstate11.org/exhibits/Int...Map%202-09.pdf
(Sorry, I couldn't figure out how to get this picture any smaller)

http://interstate11.org/documents/Interstate-11.pdf

Notice all the dotted-lines for future interstate corridors in and around the Phoenix metro-area. These don't even count the Loop 202 extension (The South Mountain Freeway) to the west of I-10 and the Loop 303 (which is currently just 1 lane each way for most of the road) in the west/north-west part of the Phoenix metro area which don't even exist yet (though some of the 303 is currently under construction). From what I know, they haven't even decided whether or not to build the South Mountain Freeway. Yet, they have it as a built road on the map and there about a dozen other proposed freeways (not counting I-11 - the Hassayampa Freeway), some of them in Pinal County. Note, nothing like this is being planned for this area (there have been proposals for an I-10 bypass of Tucson, at least from north of Tucson to I-19, possibly all the way back to I-10 southeast of the city). No plans for a cross-town freeway, or connecting the the northeast side to I-10 either on the southeast or northwest part of the metro area. Unfortunately Tucson, its leaders and its residences never had the foresight to build a cross-town freeway, and now it's prohibitively expensive (let alone the fact that it would destroy too many homes and businesses). The City of Tucson has lots of incorporated, yet almost empty, land in the southeast corridor. This doesn't count any annexation into the city of other lands (which will almost certainly happen) or the growth of Oro Valley, Marana (which also has huge amounts of annexed, almost empty land), and Sauharita & Green Valley. Let's hope the City of Tucson (as well as the other cities mentioned) and the Pima Association of Governments (PAG) start getting some foresight and are able to plan ahead for our future growth. Though it is probably to late for freeways in the already built city, there is hope that these largely unbuilt, yet future major growth areas, can have connecting freeways built in them.

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I was driving out at Golf Links and Houghton today. There were big piles of dirt behind the CVS on the southeast corner of the intersection. I went onto the city's web-sight and found out they are building a Wal-Mart there. This is the fifth, at least, Wal-Mart they are currently trying to build in the city. Of course, they are currently building one at the Tucson Marketplace in the Bridges (between Kino & Park, south of 36th street, north of I-10) and very publicly trying to get one built at El Con, but they are also trying to build one at Berkshire Village (Broadway and Camino Seco, southewest corner) and at Golf Links and Kolb, northwest corner.
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I was driving out at Golf Links and Houghton today. There were big piles of dirt behind the CVS on the southeast corner of the intersection. I went onto the city's web-sight and found out they are building a Wal-Mart there. This is the fifth, at least, Wal-Mart they are currently trying to build in the city. Of course, they are currently building one at the Tucson Marketplace in the Bridges (between Kino & Park, south of 36th street, north of I-10) and very publicly trying to get one built at El Con, but they are also trying to build one at Berkshire Village (Broadway and Camino Seco, southewest corner) and at Golf Links and Kolb, northwest corner.
Just for clarification purposes, the one at Golf Links and Kolb and the one at Broadway and Camino Seco are WalMart Neighborhood Markets right?? Those are the ones like what we have at 22nd and Craycroft and the one on Grant. I don't remember the golf links and houghton location, but is that an actual WalMart or a Neighborhood market??
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Just for clarification purposes, the one at Golf Links and Kolb and the one at Broadway and Camino Seco are WalMart Neighborhood Markets right?? Those are the ones like what we have at 22nd and Craycroft and the one on Grant. I don't remember the golf links and houghton location, but is that an actual WalMart or a Neighborhood market??
I'm not really sure. I think the first two you listed are Neighborhood Markets (there was an article on-line a few months back, and I'm pretty sure it said they were), but I'm not sure about Golf Links & Houghton. Sometimes the Tucson city web-sight doesn't have the best records (sometimes you click on a property and it will show 50 pages of records for a property, but all the pages will be blank). This was mainly the case on the Broadway & Camino Seco and the GL & Kolb, but there was records for GL & Houghton. I looked like a regular Wal-Mart. It said it would be about 98,000 square feet, and didn't label it a Neighborhood Market.
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