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Hey here's an idea. Tear down that ugly eyesore of a shed, sell it, and use the money to fix that wharf in the background that looks look it's going to fall into the water any minute.. The rest of the city moves forward while the fossils at the port are still living in the 60's
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Hey here's an idea. Tear down that ugly eyesore of a shed, sell it, and use the money to fix that wharf in the background that looks look it's going to fall into the water any minute.. The rest of the city moves forward while the fossils at the port are still living in the 60's
I was under the impression for the last few years there was a contract awarded to knock that thing over. I guess it must have been the shed on Long Wharf instead...still took years.

That would be the next thing to improve the area.
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I was under the impression for the last few years there was a contract awarded to knock that thing over. I guess it must have been the shed on Long Wharf instead...still took years.

That would be the next thing to improve the area.
I really don't have much to say, but I wanted to add my appreciation:
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I was under the impression for the last few years there was a contract awarded to knock that thing over. I guess it must have been the shed on Long Wharf instead...still took years.

That would be the next thing to improve the area.
I think the charm of the active waterfront is the mix of uses. While that shed could be resided, tearing it down might be a drastic step that could hurt port operations, and the port is already on the hot seat about the way it's using its land.

May that shed could be converted to a concert hall like the Cunard Center in Halifax, if the port doesn't need it for trans shipment.
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I really don't have much to say, but I wanted to add my appreciation:
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I think people are too harsh on the Port, and it all comes from misinformation. There seems to be a large segment of the city that wants all the working port lands on the Inner Harbour to be converted to public use, and keep sputting lines about how they never see ships in the harbour and that they can't wait for the day when the port will return to prosperity. Well that day has already come! The port had huge growth last year, and is one of the busiest ports by tonnage in the country! What more do people want? I want waterfront access as much as the next guy, but we can't just force a working, profitable business to close.
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I think people are too harsh on the Port, and it all comes from misinformation. There seems to be a large segment of the city that wants all the working port lands on the Inner Harbour to be converted to public use, and keep sputting lines about how they never see ships in the harbour and that they can't wait for the day when the port will return to prosperity. Well that day has already come! The port had huge growth last year, and is one of the busiest ports by tonnage in the country! What more do people want? I want waterfront access as much as the next guy, but we can't just force a working, profitable business to close.
How much of that is Courtney Bay and Canaport???? The tonnage that is???
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I think people are too harsh on the Port, and it all comes from misinformation. There seems to be a large segment of the city that wants all the working port lands on the Inner Harbour to be converted to public use, and keep sputting lines about how they never see ships in the harbour and that they can't wait for the day when the port will return to prosperity. Well that day has already come! The port had huge growth last year, and is one of the busiest ports by tonnage in the country! What more do people want? I want waterfront access as much as the next guy, but we can't just force a working, profitable business to close.
part of the problem is that many people (myself included) don't have a really good grasp on what the port's current state, future plans, etc, etc are. true, by tonnage the port is very busy - but the vast majority is liquid petroleum, not good / roll-on roll-off cargo. and true, last year was a growth year, but more traditionally, the port (to my knowledge) has been rather stagnant in terms of growth and aggressive expansion. the lines between the port, the various unions & speical interest groups, etc gets a little blurred to the public sometimes; furthermore, the recent additions in the inner harbour (the pet. coke. terminal for example) can potentially leave more than a bit of a sour taste . . . perhaps in addition to 'port days' the port would benefit from a little more public / community interaction, input & education
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How much of that is Courtney Bay and Canaport???? The tonnage that is???
heres some of the ports' stats (cruiseship stats of course would not be included on this)....

http://www.sjport.com/english/about/tonnage_statistics.html



cruise SJ 2008 stats (186, 880 cruise ship passengers to visit this year on 81 cruise ships)

http://www.cruisesaintjohn.com/visitsaintjohn/cruiseschedule.asp
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Hey here's an idea. Tear down that ugly eyesore of a shed, sell it, and use the money to fix that wharf in the background that looks look it's going to fall into the water any minute.. The rest of the city moves forward while the fossils at the port are still living in the 60's

^ my last comment notwithstanding, this shed most certainly does need to come down...a vacant lot would be more pleasing to the eye than this....
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Hampton could get big bus
Published Thursday August 21st, 2008
Transit Commission to seek funding for two articulated buses for Hampton Express

Erin Dwyer
For the Telegraph-Journal

HAMPTON - The Saint John Transit Commission is seeking federal funding to purchase a pair of articulated buses for the Hampton Express - the bus service that runs between the town and the city.

If the commission's efforts are successful, Hampton will be the first municipality in New Brunswick to use these type of buses, which cost about $650,000 each.

Town council, at a special meeting this week, passed a motion providing a five-year commitment for the Comex commuter bus service and agreed to shoulder the operating costs for the transit service to its town. Until now, the town had only provided the maintenance costs for the shelters and its park and ride.

The motion - required to make the application for the federal funding - makes Hampton the first of the four participating municipalities to extend its agreement, which would have expired on Dec. 31. For the first 15 months of the service, the City of Saint John and the Saint John Transit Commission were footing the bill for the transit operating costs.

"To me, it's quite successful," Mayor Ken Chorley said in an interview. "I don't think we will ever cancel it."

Introduced last September, the Comex service is a morning and after-work transportation program serving Saint John's outlying suburbs of Grand Bay-Westfield, Rothesay, Quispamsis and Hampton. It was designed to remove 350 vehicles from the city's uptown and eliminate the need for another $10-million parking garage in the uptown in the next five to 10 years.

But not even a year into the service, an extra run and a second bus on some runs were added to the Hampton Express to accommodate the growing number of passengers. About 100 people use the service to and from Hampton on weekdays, equalling about 200 seats filled each day, said Frank McCarey, the general manager of the transit commission.

"Everyone is very pleased with the response in Hampton," he said.

To provide the service to the town, it costs about $180,000 a year, McCarey said. But the service will break even when it can fill 280 seats a day - in other words, attract another 40 people to take the bus regularly. Passengers pay $3 per trip or $89 for a monthly pass.

"We are very close to a break-even point," McCarey said in an interview, a fact he emphasized during his presentation to town council this week.

The transit commission hopes to reach that goal with the addition of the two articulated buses, which can accommodate 60 passengers. Existing buses seat 43. By adding these tandem buses that are flexible in the middle, the Hampton Express can also reduce costs by not having to send a second bus on its more popular runs, McCarey said.

In addition, the five-year commitment from Hampton might be enough for some companies to provide bus passes to their employees living in the town. McCarey said the Irving group has expressed interest in such a plan to reduce the number of parking spaces it needs uptown, but was waiting to see if the outlying communities would extend the service beyond Dec. 31.

"If that comes to fruition, that would bring the numbers up," McCarey said.

He said the transit commission has been in discussions with the other outlying communities and expects that Rothesay, Quispamsis and Grand Bay-Westfield will also extend their service beyond Dec. 31. But it needed a commitment from Hampton immediately in order to apply for the federal funding from the public transit capital trust, money that Ottawa gave to the province to support public transportation. The fund holds $2 million to support ideas promoting rural to urban public transit. The deadline for applications is Sept. 1.

McCarey said the town council in Hampton was very supportive of the service.

"They were in favour and very enlightened about the approach to the whole thing," he said. "They were very committed to seeing it going ahead."

Recently, the town conducted a survey about the service to see who was using it and seek suggestions or comments. Nearly 70 people responded.

"All of them were very positive," the mayor said. "They liked the drivers, they liked the routes and they liked the times."

The Hampton Express offers four morning runs from Hampton to King's Square: 6:15 a.m., 7:10 a.m., 7:35 a.m. and 8:55 a.m. The 7:10 a.m. bus now heads to the Saint John Regional Hospital and the UNBSJ campus after stopping at King's Square, while the 8:55 a.m. bus stops at McAllister Place before heading to King's Square. In the afternoon and evening, the service offers four runs from King's Square to Hampton: 3:50 p.m., 4:40 p.m., 5:10 p.m. and 6:30 p.m.

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I heard today that the housing development planned for the corner of Duke and Charlotte Streets (called Abbey St. Andrew by the proponents, Church of St. Andrew St. David) will be receiving an approval letter from the heritage planning committee.

I've seen sketches and the project is quality, and will bring some much needed density to the site.
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^ my last comment notwithstanding, this shed most certainly does need to come down...a vacant lot would be most pleasing to the eye than this....
I read quite sometime ago (around the time it's sister shed was torn down) that the Port has absolutely no intentions of tearing this shed down. They claim that it is structurally sound and can play a role in the Port's future business needs. Suffice to say that there are never cargo ships docked near this shed however, apparently it is still used for storage (not sure what). Even the rail tracks that run beside it have not been used in 20 years or more. Interestingly, the ILA - who were upset about the land swap deal at Long Wharf - should realize that with the property gain at the former Lantic site and all the other vacant or under utilized port property surrounding the Harbour reflects that the Port of Saint John still has more than enough space and owned property to handle it's current business needs and permit expansion growth capacity as well.
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three sisters park

Square gets a new look
Published Friday August 22nd, 2008

C2 Cindy WilsonTelegraph-Journal


D.J. Doucette of QM Construction works on a retaining wall at the St. Patrick's Square Thursday. A park is being built around the Three Sisters lamp. The work also involves moving the Celtic cross to another spot in the same area. D.J. Doucette of QM Construction works on a retaining wall at the St. Patrick's Square Thursday. A park is being built around the Three Sisters lamp. The work also involves moving the Celtic cross to another spot in the same area.

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I read quite sometime ago (around the time it's sister shed was torn down) that the Port has absolutely no intentions of tearing this shed down. They claim that it is structurally sound and can play a role in the Port's future business needs. Suffice to say that there are never cargo ships docked near this shed however, apparently it is still used for storage (not sure what).
this is a PRIME example of the port's poor PR . . . with the massive amount of development happening around these essentially abandonned pieces of port real estate, at the very least you'd expect the port to give the public something a little more concrete in terms of planned use, etc, etc. if it's for future business, great - whats the timeline?? 75 years can be construed as "future"....
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I heard today that the housing development planned for the corner of Duke and Charlotte Streets (called Abbey St. Andrew by the proponents, Church of St. Andrew St. David) will be receiving an approval letter from the heritage planning committee.

I've seen sketches and the project is quality, and will bring some much needed density to the site.

great news! i'm less familiar with this project though, p/p/t - can you give any broad impressions of the preliminary sketches / height / exterior materials at this point, or is it too early?
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great news! i'm less familiar with this project though, p/p/t - can you give any broad impressions of the preliminary sketches / height / exterior materials at this point, or is it too early?
I'll have to get a drawing soon, but as it stands...

The project will front on Duke and Charlotte. From Charlotte the buildings will appear to have five storeys, with the fifth storey set back so that its not visible to a pedestrian on Charlotte (this is based on the heritage development requirements); except nearest Horsefield where the five storeys will be visible.. On Charlotte there will be two buildings connected by a interior pedway (at all levels except the ground). There will be ground level parking under the apartments and behind the buildings accessed from under the breezeway.

We won't be much higher than the Pizza Place on Charlotte and Horsefield that will be our neighbour.

From Duke on will see the corner of our building, an entrance to underground and ground level parking and two townhouses near the western property line.

The lower two floors of the main development will be made up to look like and act as townhouses - much like Rocca is proposing for his condos.

The material will respect the character of the neighbourhood and exterior siding will likely either be brick, or former concrete in the style of sandstone.
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I read quite sometime ago (around the time it's sister shed was torn down) that the Port has absolutely no intentions of tearing this shed down. They claim that it is structurally sound and can play a role in the Port's future business needs. Suffice to say that there are never cargo ships docked near this shed however, apparently it is still used for storage (not sure what). Even the rail tracks that run beside it have not been used in 20 years or more. Interestingly, the ILA - who were upset about the land swap deal at Long Wharf - should realize that with the property gain at the former Lantic site and all the other vacant or under utilized port property surrounding the Harbour reflects that the Port of Saint John still has more than enough space and owned property to handle it's current business needs and permit expansion growth capacity as well.
I hate to agree with the Port, but if it is structurally sound, it should stay up. Tear it down when there is a different use for the space, tear it down if it isn't structurally safe, but the thing would have high replacement cost if a need comes up. Although we would all like more effective use of the port properties, it is after all a working port that NB products such as timber, lumber, potash are shipped from. There may come a need for it, or alternate uses could be found for it. I might be mistaken, but I believe I was in that shed before when the outdoor art festival had stormy weather, and it was moved inside.

Would this be any different than ripping down the garage at your house your neighbour doesn't like, just because you don't currently have a car?
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Would this be any different than ripping down the garage at your house your neighbour doesn't like, just because you don't currently have a car?
well, if it's enough of an eyesore.....maybe....
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