Salt Lake MSA Development Thread

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Originally Posted by CountyLemonade

I agree that Utah has a lot of things going against it in terms of its image, perceived polygamy notwithstanding. Still though, many people—stupid, uninformed individuals—think Mormons practice polygamy. It's articles like these that aid in the perpetuation of such myths. This article never directly connects polygamy with the LDS Church, of course. Reading through the comments, however, I saw one comment along the lines of, "This article is slanted because the first two paragraphs bash on Mitt Romney's religion." The guy who made the comment was well-meaning I guess, but it goes to show that people think polygamy is still practiced in the church.

Brevity was never my strong suit. You get the idea though.

There are several branches of Mormonism that still practice polygamy. One of these branches is the polygamist group mentioned in the article posted about the new data center. The largest sect of Mormonism (Romney's sect (LDS)) no longer practices polygamy, but continues the practice of sealing multiple wives to one man in the temple. Of course this doesn't mean that the LDS church condones anything but monogamy, however, this does create a situation where some lds mormons could justify having multiple sex partners (which I have no problem with). For example, I have a sister-in-law who was married/sealed in the temple and then later got a civil divorce (her husband didn't want an "annulment" (temple divorce), and as a women, she didn't have a choice in the matter). So according to the church, he is still "sealed" to her. He also remarried another girl, and is "sealed" to her as well. Therefore, in the eyes of the LDS church, this man is sealed to two living women.

As long as the LDS church bases it's doctrine and philosophy on Joseph Smith's teachings, polygamy will always be associated with the LDS church. After all, polygamy was introduced by Joseph as the "Everlasting Covenant of Plural Marriage," so I don't think that doctrine could be divorced from Mormonism anytime soon.

Presidents of the LDS church who practiced polygamy:

Joseph Smith had 34 wives
Brigham Young had 55 wives
John Taylor had 7 wives
Wilford Woodruff had 5 wives (gave manifesto ending the practice)
Lorenzo Snow had 11 wives (post-manifesto grandfather-clause)
Heber J. Grant had 3 wives (post-manifesto grandfather-clause)

[John Martin]

You can parse words all you want. Look, I honestly don't care if you're a member of this forum even if you don't have the right to be. But please, just keep your antics in one place. You're becoming a lot more like urbanboy, and even if you honestly think you're "perfectly adjusted," everyone hated him. So why don't you just reverse this gradual trend of derailing every thread with useless, inflammatory drivel, and keep it in the Utah Politics thread. That way people can voluntarily expose themselves to your incendiary, off-topic posts.

[Old&New]

I didn't mean to offend, I just had a disagreement with what was said by CountryLemonade. I was just responding to that and explaining why I disagree.

[s.p.hansen]

Originally Posted by John Martin

You can parse words all you want. Look, I honestly don't care if you're a member of this forum even if you don't have the right to be. But please, just keep your antics in one place. You're becoming a lot more like urbanboy, and even if you honestly think you're "perfectly adjusted," everyone hated him. So why don't you just reverse this gradual trend of derailing every thread with useless, inflammatory drivel, and keep it in the Utah Politics thread. That way people can voluntarily expose themselves to your incendiary, off-topic posts.

The Denver folks got tired of hearing the same vitriol in the Utah Politics thread and he sort of got booed out of there too.

[Old&New]

I wouldn't say that's what happened, but go on, insult me some more. I'm just not sure what it is I've done to deserve this type of treatment from you?

[SLC Projects]

So...........how about all those development projects going on all over the Salt Lake metro.

[Old&New]

that just made me laugh.

(Reuters) - Boeing Co (BA.N) said it will move production of the horizontal tail of its 787-9 Dreamliners from Seattle to Salt Lake City, Utah, and to Alenia Aermacchi of Italy by late 2012.



http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/...82E1BT20120315

[(Eco)nomy_404]

Originally Posted by Stenar

Well, that article isn't even talking about history when it mentions polygamy. It's talking about the large polygamist community in Bluffdale less than a mile from the Data Center. My friend Gloria lives in Bluffdale and her next-door neighbors are polygamists. They have 4 houses built in a square.

I know what you mean. I was at my aunt/uncle`s house there in Bluffdale and they pointed out three houses from their back window that were home to polygamists - apparently they are quite abundant in the city.

Originally Posted by Old&New

The article talked briefly about the history of the polygamist Mormon pioneers to describe the residents of the neighborhood where the new data center is being built. I agree, the polygamy stuff was not necessary, and frankly, seemed out of place, but t's not polygamy that makes outsiders think we're backwards, it's our theocracy, liquer laws, etc. that put people off.

I didn`t mind the metaphor - he was paralleling how the city is home to a reclusive religious sect that avoids contact with the outside world with a gov agency that is just as reclusive and also seeks to isolate itself from the world. I did find it to be a bit of a stretch when he tried to paint the place as some sort of Utah alternative of Roswell by saying "out in the Utah desert..." and such. Bluffdale was chosen as the site for the data center due to its proximity to a large city with a strong power grid. In that mountain pass, it lies directly between the SLC and Provo-Orem metros with a very capable power grid passing through - not to mention the easy access to advanced fiber optic and broadband infrastructure.

[Bob The Builder]

Originally Posted by joscar

Source:Wired Magazine

Probably not quite what you were looking for, but the best I could find online. It is from a pretty interesting article written this week by Wired Magazine (if you can make it through the first two paragraphs full of polygamy crap).

Intersting article. Polygamy really has nothing to do with the Spy Center and had no reason to be in the article. If anything it shows how little people outside of Utah (& sometimes in Utah) know about our state or the LDS faith, or people in Utah. Oh well...

[Old&New]

Good grief, nothing in that article is inaccurate. Why the insecurity?

[Bob The Builder]

Originally Posted by Old&New

Good grief, nothing in that article is inaccurate. Why the insecurity?

There is no 'insecurity'. It would be just as pointless to talk about Quakers if this was in Pennsylvania, or Baptist if this was in Alabama/south. My point is dead on when it comes to how little outsiders know about utah or Mormons.
You must work for the Trib

[Old&New]

Originally Posted by Bob The Builder

There is no 'insecurity'. It would be just as pointless to talk about Quakers if this was in Pennsylvania, or Baptist if this was in Alabama/south. My point is dead on when it comes to how little outsiders know about utah or Mormons.
You must work for the Trib

Your point about outsiders is spot on, I just don't see how this article was written out of ignorance, that's all.

[Lilljemalm]

Originally Posted by Old&New

Your point about outsiders is spot on, I just don't see how this article was written out of ignorance, that's all.

This will get off topic, but only in fun...
The ignorance is an annoyance and does cause problems at times, socially and in business, around the country. When in Denver, my secretary one day asked me, knowing that I am LDS, if I was ever going to take another wife. I told her I'd be excommunicated if I did and she was surprised. She had lived her whole life in Denver and always had LDS friends and neighbors and still thought the church sanctioned polygamy. I've also encountered people who wouldn't do business with me because I'm LDS - primarily in the south.
But on the other hand, it allows for some fun. In the 1950's my dad took a bus trip with a group of recently graduated high school kids from Utah. On the side of the bus was a banner that said something about LDS Youth... They stopped for lunch in a small town in east Texas one day. He was sitting in the bus and some girls were sitting on the grass in the park they had pulled up to. Some local boys came by and started to flirt with the girls. After watching for a while, my dad mischieviously leaned out the window of the bus and called out, "hey, leave my wives alone." He said the boys looked up, saw the banner on the bus and ran off rather panicked, not knowing they had just been made fun of.

[delts145]

I like the looks of the new Park City IHC Medical Center


intermountainhealthcare.com

[bob rulz]

Originally Posted by Lilljemalm

This will get off topic, but only in fun...
The ignorance is an annoyance and does cause problems at times, socially and in business, around the country. When in Denver, my secretary one day asked me, knowing that I am LDS, if I was ever going to take another wife. I told her I'd be excommunicated if I did and she was surprised. She had lived her whole life in Denver and always had LDS friends and neighbors and still thought the church sanctioned polygamy. I've also encountered people who wouldn't do business with me because I'm LDS - primarily in the south.
But on the other hand, it allows for some fun. In the 1950's my dad took a bus trip with a group of recently graduated high school kids from Utah. On the side of the bus was a banner that said something about LDS Youth... They stopped for lunch in a small town in east Texas one day. He was sitting in the bus and some girls were sitting on the grass in the park they had pulled up to. Some local boys came by and started to flirt with the girls. After watching for a while, my dad mischieviously leaned out the window of the bus and called out, "hey, leave my wives alone." He said the boys looked up, saw the banner on the bus and ran off rather panicked, not knowing they had just been made fun of.

That last paragraph made me laugh!

My parents used to live out East (I was a baby at the time), and they did have it get brought up from time to time, but most people really aren't that ignorant.

Originally Posted by delts145

I like the looks of the new Park City IHC Medical Center


intermountainhealthcare.com

Very nice!

Also, does anybody know what's up with the Chinatown in South Salt Lake?? They built the arch out front (sorry! I don't know the technical term!) and one of the main buildings, but that was finished months ago and I haven't seen any work on it since. The ugly, run-down old haunted house building is still there and looks so completely out of place next to that colorful new building. Is it just because they weren't working on it during the winter? Not that we had a winter this year...

[bob rulz]

Originally Posted by ajiuO

No there is some stuff closer to 2100 stomping down as well.

I think the little building between boaters world and the mortuary is gone... And it looked like the mortuary was being prepped for demolition.. They are slowly talking stuff down between state and 300 west.

Yes, I was just up there yesterday and the mortuary just south of 2100 South (next to Check City) is in the process of being demolished.

[delts145]

Omaha-based department store chain makes big push into Utah

http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/neighbo...tment.html.csp

By Paul Beebe, The Salt Lake Tribune

Gordmans, a low-price retailer, is set to open a department store in The District shopping center in South Jordan on Friday as part of a move into the Intermountain West.

The store, plus a second Gordmans set to open on the same day in Farmington’s Station Park shopping center and a third unit that will debut in Riverdale in July, mark the Omaha-based company’s arrival in Utah as it works to expand beyond the Midwest and Plains states.

"The Salt Lake MSA (metropolitan statistical area between Ogden and Provo) we see as a significant opportunity for us," CEO Jeff Gordman said.

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[Schmoe]

I think eBay broke ground today on their new building in Draper.

[joscar]

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