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Old Posted Dec 27, 2013, 5:15 PM
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Our buildings generally have larger floorplates than Vancouver projects, and are often shorter, due to our common 240' zoning. Also our building envelope regs (I don't know the details) require glass to be more insulating than previously. Put all of that together and Vancouver's glassy, skinny-looking towers aren't happening here...except now we're doing a number of 440' towers so the height part changes the equation.
Developing, Building, and Living in Vancouver, I'd have to agree with the earlier comment, these two buildings have a very "Vancouver" feel to them.

We have the exact same envelope standards as you do in Seattle in respect to the insulation requirements, mandated by the ashrae standard so that really would have no bearing.

The only real differential is the parcel sizes that are developed in Seattle are typically a lot larger than here in Vancouver. We have ridiculous height restrictions depending on where you are. I have two sites in downtown that are both governed by 250' height limitations.
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Old Posted Dec 27, 2013, 5:42 PM
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Interesting on the ASHRAE thing. I just know our standards have changed, and sometimes the answer is less window.

At least Vancouver allows highrises in many square miles. Seattle only does in greater Downtown, and nowhere near all of it. And when we allow them, there's often a major fee. Where height limits have recently risen, using the new height involves a fee that might be in the $25/sf range. That's often not worth it, so the result is a building at the old limit, or very often just building six-story woodframe.

I don't know the sizes of Vancouver sites. Ours are all over the map. There are a some full-block sites left. A lot of current higrise projects are two lots, i.e. 14,400 sf total, such as 815 Pine, 3rd & Cedar, and Viktoria. Also common is 21,600 sf. Woodframes like the half-block format, but commonly go on single lots (7,200 sf) as well. Regardless, our standard half-block depths of 120' and lot widths of 60' are a great fit for parking geometries.
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Old Posted Dec 27, 2013, 8:21 PM
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Interesting on the ASHRAE thing. I just know our standards have changed, and sometimes the answer is less window.

At least Vancouver allows highrises in many square miles. Seattle only does in greater Downtown, and nowhere near all of it. And when we allow them, there's often a major fee. Where height limits have recently risen, using the new height involves a fee that might be in the $25/sf range. That's often not worth it, so the result is a building at the old limit, or very often just building six-story woodframe.

I don't know the sizes of Vancouver sites. Ours are all over the map. There are a some full-block sites left. A lot of current higrise projects are two lots, i.e. 14,400 sf total, such as 815 Pine, 3rd & Cedar, and Viktoria. Also common is 21,600 sf. Woodframes like the half-block format, but commonly go on single lots (7,200 sf) as well. Regardless, our standard half-block depths of 120' and lot widths of 60' are a great fit for parking geometries.
There are methods that can be utilized to increase the insulation efficiencies in a building to allow for more glazing, however that comes with a cost. The other issue that comes into play with buildings lacking glazing in some areas is the proximity to other buildings (i.e. I have a tower downtown Vancouver, that two sides have to have punched windows because I'm too close to neighbouring building, and that is reflected through the fire code)

We have the same fees for building higher density, they can range from 15 to 85 dollars per sf of additional density above what is already allowed on site, on top of the fees we pay for adding new floor space. For example there is a tower in Vancouver, Burrard Gateway that is paying nearly 20 million plus in a variety of CACs and DCCs, they are building in excess 800,000 sf and what will be Vancouver's 3rd tallest tower upon completion.

It is very rare to find sites above 10,000 sf in downtown Vancouver proper, often times they need to be assembled at a premium. I'd love to speak with an architect who can make a 60 x 120 site work efficiently for parking!
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Old Posted Dec 27, 2013, 9:41 PM
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60x120 assumes no ramps, just single double-loaded aisle.

The 120' lot depth allows a circular double-loaded layout if you have multiple lots (i.e. 120' x 120' up to 360' x 120' in our case.
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Old Posted Dec 27, 2013, 10:45 PM
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Our buildings generally have larger floorplates than Vancouver projects, and are often shorter, due to our common 240' zoning. Also our building envelope regs (I don't know the details) require glass to be more insulating than previously. Put all of that together and Vancouver's glassy, skinny-looking towers aren't happening here...except now we're doing a number of 440' towers so the height part changes the equation.
I still think those two come close to looking like a Vancouver hi rise esp the one with the smaller floorplate.
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Old Posted Dec 27, 2013, 10:47 PM
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Developing, Building, and Living in Vancouver, I'd have to agree with the earlier comment, these two buildings have a very "Vancouver" feel to them.

We have the exact same envelope standards as you do in Seattle in respect to the insulation requirements, mandated by the ashrae standard so that really would have no bearing.

The only real differential is the parcel sizes that are developed in Seattle are typically a lot larger than here in Vancouver. We have ridiculous height restrictions depending on where you are. I have two sites in downtown that are both governed by 250' height limitations.
Why do you think Vancouver parcel sizes are smaller? My suspicion is that Vancouver didn't start out with as much vacant land [parking lots].
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Old Posted Dec 28, 2013, 9:06 PM
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Umm I could be wrong, but I think 2030 8th ave is under construction and already above street level.
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Old Posted Dec 28, 2013, 9:46 PM
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It's being going for several months. And definitely above ground level now.
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Seattle-area apartment rents may stabilize, even dip in 2014

After steep increases in 2013, rents should stay level or even decline this year as the market softens, a new report suggests.

By Sanjay Bhatt

Seattle Times business reporter




http://seattletimes.com/html/busines...tml?prmid=4917
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Old Posted Jan 3, 2014, 12:03 AM
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Vulcan moves ahead with two more office buildings in South Lake Union

Marc StilesStaff Writer- Puget Sound Business JournalEmail | Twitter

Vulcan Real Estate is proceeding with development of a pair of six-story office buildings in Seattle’s South Lake Union neighborhood.

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Old Posted Jan 21, 2014, 4:35 AM
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Getting excited for my Seattle trip in two weeks so I thought I would do some Seattle render-editing. Hopefully more to come!
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Old Posted Jan 21, 2014, 5:11 AM
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Thanks for the updates!

And good rendering JR Tunsten.
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Old Posted Jan 22, 2014, 7:14 AM
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Nice Vashon. How long does it take to get all those photos?

I don't like parking podiums and I don't understand why 815 Pine couldn't have brought the curtain wall all the way down to the first floor. IMO it breaks up the flow of a good looking bldg in a way that doesn't benefit it.
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Watch Phase I Of Amazon's New Headquarters Officially Begin [video]



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Old Posted Jan 22, 2014, 3:52 PM
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Regarding parking podiums, many architects seem to think carrying the residential facade past the parking is "dishonest," and that different uses demand different facade treatments.

This strikes me as absurd. However important "honest expression of use" might be in architectural theory, the public probably doesn't care, and mostly wants it to look good.

That said, I like this building including the base.

The rules have changed. If I recall, today's land use code allows only three levels above grade. (Off the top of my head, this building is something like 390 units and 300 parking spaces on a 14,400 sf lot, so would need eight or nine parking levels, which would be a pretty large excavation, so being able to put maybe five(?) levels above grade probably helped it pencil.)

A number of projects are keeping old land use permit permits alive to take advantage of the old rules.
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Old Posted Jan 23, 2014, 5:05 AM
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Regarding parking podiums, many architects seem to think carrying the residential facade past the parking is "dishonest," and that different uses demand different facade treatments.

This strikes me as absurd. However important "honest expression of use" might be in architectural theory, the public probably doesn't care, and mostly wants it to look good.
I agree completely.

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That said, I like this building including the base.

The rules have changed. If I recall, today's land use code allows only three levels above grade. (Off the top of my head, this building is something like 390 units and 300 parking spaces on a 14,400 sf lot, so would need eight or nine parking levels, which would be a pretty large excavation, so being able to put maybe five(?) levels above grade probably helped it pencil.)

A number of projects are keeping old land use permit permits alive to take advantage of the old rules
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For me, the curtain wall above the garage has a certain style to it..........not exciting but good looking enough. In contrast, the exterior wall on the garage looks cheap to me; thrown together to meet the architectural theory you mention up above
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Equity Residential Project at 2nd and Pine passed their DRB hearing. The project is a joint venture between GBD from Portland and Weber Thompson from Seattle - dba WTGBD.

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Old Posted Jan 24, 2014, 4:13 AM
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We have five buildings of 440' or taller underway now in/near the CBD. I have hopes that the underway figure will hit 10 or more by summer. That would be pretty remarkable.
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Amazon pays $52 million for another full block in downtown Seattle


Marc StilesStaff Writer- Puget Sound Business JournalEmail | Twitter

Amazon.com on Friday exercised its right to buy another block in downtown Seattle from Clise Properties, public records show.

Amazon paid just over $52.2 million for the block between Bell and Blanchard streets and Seventh and Eighth avenues. The block is just north of where Amazon is building a 3.3-million-square-foot campus on three blocks.

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