Sacramento Proposal/Approval/Construction Thread - III

[Majin]

Originally Posted by neuhickman79

Move to your dreamland Shanghai...or Dubai...or Vegas!...problem solved!!

I have no desire to move to any of those places.

[creamcityleo79]

Originally Posted by Majin

I have no desire to move to any of those places.

Then, stop talking about turning Sacramento into those places!

[Majin]

Originally Posted by neuhickman79

Then, stop talking about turning Sacramento into those places!

Whoever said I wanted to turn Sacramento into those places? I may have pointed to those cities as examples of progress without the need to be a preservation nazi, doesn't mean I want Sacramento to become the next Dubai.

[goldcntry]

As a current Rosemont (red-headed step child of Sac County), I am SYKED and can't wait for this project to be completed.

Yes, there is a bit of nostalgia at the loss of this theatre... this was the drive-in I first saw Star Wars as a wee lad of seven, perched on the top of the family station wagon with my older step-sisters. Saddly, the drive-in has decayed and declined so much so that I stopped going because of safety concerns. This whole section has been an eyesore and a blotch of blight on the neighborhood for far too long.

[wburg]

Originally Posted by Majin

Whoever said I wanted to turn Sacramento into those places? I may have pointed to those cities as examples of progress without the need to be a preservation nazi, doesn't mean I want Sacramento to become the next Dubai.

That's right--you said you wanted Sacramento to resemble Tokyo.

Originally Posted by Majin

No, I want Sac to resemble Tokyo.

[Majin]

Originally Posted by wburg

That's right--you said you wanted Sacramento to resemble Tokyo.

You have a good memory.

[TowerDistrict]

Here's the official words on The Bond Companies' proposal (Capitol Villas)

Address: 1500 7TH ST, SACRAMENTO, CA 95814
Parcel Number: 00603000020000
File Date: 3/28/2008
Status: PLN_GENERAL - In Progress
Status Date : 4/7/2008
Fees: $46,172.00
Payments: $46,172.00

Description:

A request for the approval of a Tentative Map, PUD Guidelines and Schematic Plan to allow for the future development of approximately 1,646 dwelling units and 55,000 square feet of retail/commercial uses on approximately 9.46 net acres in the proposed Multi-Family Planned Unit Development (R-5-PUD) and General Commercial Planned Unit Development (C-2-PUD) zones.

Alternative schemes for approximately 500,000 square feet of office space or approximately 200,000 square feet of hotel space on Parcel A will also be considered.

The project requires a General Plan Amendment to re-designate Parcel A from High-Density Residential to Community/Neighborhood Commercial & Office; a Community Plan Amendment to re-designate Parcel A from Multi-Family Residential to Multi-Use; a rezone of Parcel A from R-5 to C-2-PUD and Parcels B, C and D from R-5 to R-5 PUD; PUD Guidelines and Schematic Plan to establish a PUD and a Tentative Map to subdivide the parcels. PUD Guidelines will be submitted at a later date for review.

[ltsmotorsport]

Do they really think more office space is needed right now with all that's U/C and proposed?

It sounds like this is the super block (with capitol towers), but the address puts it one block over. Did the state sell the underground office building? It was originally one of the blocks going to be used for the West End complex.

[TowerDistrict]

Hmmm... i just tried with Google Maps and it puts it on the wrong block. Looks like that's a problem with Google Maps though. The address the city has is correct.

(I just changed the location on Google maps - 1500 would not be on the east side of 7th Street, it has to be on the west side)

[econgrad]

Originally Posted by wburg

That's right--you said you wanted Sacramento to resemble Tokyo.

I lived briefly in Shinjuku, and there is no way in hell we would ever be able to build that much infrastructure here in Sacramento in less than 300 years. I wouldn't even address such nonsense....

[Fusey]

^ It's possible to do that in 30 years!






In Sim City

[TowerDistrict]

Originally Posted by Fusey

^ It's possible to do that in 30 years!


In Sim City

Not in the new version to be released soon.... Sim CEQA

[wburg]

Originally Posted by econgrad

I lived briefly in Shinjuku, and there is no way in hell we would ever be able to build that much infrastructure here in Sacramento in less than 300 years. I wouldn't even address such nonsense....

Here, we are in agreement...Japanese ideas about city building and personal space are very different from American ideas, the effects of population pressure are profoundly greater in Japan than here, and, as I mentioned a while back, part of why Japanese major cities tend to not have a whole lot of old buildings is because we pretty much bombed them flat during World War II. Americans are learning more about how to live close together again, as it used to be something we did better, and we're learning a thing or two from the folks moving here from more densely populated places. But densities as tight as Tokyo are the product of a very specific sort of society--one unlikely to emerge here.

I just want Sacramento to resemble Sacramento. That doesn't rule out high-rise living or residential density. I'm interested to see how this Capitol Villas project shapes up. I assume they're just covering their options by suggesting an office-focused option, but I'd rather see housing there.

[Majin]

Ok since no one is posting anything else I'll chime in on the Tokyo issue.

Yes, I understand why Tokyo is full of new buildings and very few old ones remain, and I also understand that land is premium there so living habits are vastly different.

However, why is it so bad to want to bring a little of that lifestyle here? Yes Sacramento should resemble Sacramento and not try to copy what others have done, but whats wrong with evolving by taking a little pieces of what has been successful around the world and molding it into something new and unique?

It seems quite odd that we are all on Skyscaperpage yet as soon as I say "I like Tokyo" I get jumped on by everybody.

[Majin]

Off topic:

Make sure you guys vote in the California forums to keep the sections seperated as they are thinking about remerging. I'd hate for that to happen as I don't want to go back to the days where I had to filter through all the bay area and LA garbage just to find the threads I need to troll.

[econgrad]

^
Actually I meant that California and of course Sacramento has too much regulation that hinders development. The Environmentalists say they fight urban sprawl, but create more regulations that raise costs of developments and create a larger urban sprawl problem as well as delay and slow down progress. Which is what I meant in previous posts that we can learn much from China and Japan, because they have dealt with large populations and large developments.

[Majin]

Originally Posted by econgrad

^
Actually I meant that California and of course Sacramento has too much regulation that hinders development. The Environmentalists say they fight urban sprawl, but create more regulations that raise costs of developments and create a larger urban sprawl problem as well as delay and slow down progress. Which is what I meant in previous posts that we can learn much from China and Japan, because they have dealt with large populations and large developments.

Totally agree thus why I am always questioning BS like the CEQA to the dismay of wburg. Despite things like the CEQA there are policy changes we can make as a city to make development much easier like getting rid of all the review boards that are needed to go from proposal to construction. A NIMBY city council that blocks projects that disrupt their view of the capitol sure as hell don't help either. KJ 08'

[Phillip]

Originally Posted by TowerDistrict

Hmmm... i just tried with Google Maps and it puts it on the wrong block. Looks like that's a problem with Google Maps though. The address the city has is correct.

This is the second time in a couple weeks that I've seen Google Maps get something wrong in Sacramento.

The new Sheraton Four Points Hotel in North Natomas is at 4900 Duckhorn Drive, 95834. Type that address into Google Maps and they indicate a location on Arena Blvd, south of Arco Arena. The Four Points is actually north of Arco Arena, on Del Paso Road, almost a mile from where Google Maps says it is.

Yahoo Maps locates the Four Points correctly.

[sactown_2007]

I was downtown today and snapped a few pics myself of 500 Capital Mall and 621 as well (posted them on their forums).

But while I was at 621, I noticed the cars in the parking lot were from people bringing in boxes into their new offices (which is about to open tomorrow I believe) and their children were helping them move in. It was a beautiful sight!



Several other random pics:

I do like the new parking Kiosks they are installing all through downtown......



But not impressed with the wall art at The Towers site -- though better than looking into a pit......





And seriously -- can city council get together to get a better sign than this??? I think the idea is there but the sign itself is lacking....

[What is a Rivercat?]

^ You think that's bad? At least they didn't go with their original design: