The US Census Bureau thread

[edale]

Cincinnati is only 77 square miles, and it has 3 island communities within it:

City of St. Bernard
Village of Elmwood Place (right next to St. Bernard, with shared school district)
City of Norwood



Old hold overs from when the industrial landscape was much different. St. Bernard/Elmwood place is right next to the massive Ivorydale Procter and Gamble complex, where Ivory Soap was first made. https://www.google.com/maps/@39.1718...7i16384!8i8192

Norwood had a huge GM(?) factory, as well as the HQ and factory for the US Playing Card Co. Both have closed and are in various phases of being redeveloped as retail complexes. Without the big industry, these cities probably would have been part of the City of Cincinnati. All three are whiter and more conservative than the neighboring city neighborhoods, though all are working class. In Norwood's case, it's considerably less wealthy than the city neighborhoods it borders (Hyde Park, Oakley). Quite a strange dynamic.

[sopas ej]

Originally Posted by subterranean

LA: Beverly Hills, San Fernando, Santa Monica (essentially - with a water border), Culver City, Marina Del Ray is unincorporated. There could be others depending on how you define (Englwood and points south).

I know I'm being picky but Beverly Hills shares a border with the city of West Hollywood, and Culver City also technically isn't fully encircled by one city, being that it has boundaries with unincorporated LA County areas.

Signal Hill, CA is fully enclaved by the city of Long Beach.

[wwmiv]

Originally Posted by sopas ej

I know I'm being picky but Beverly Hills shares a border with the city of West Hollywood, and Culver City also technically isn't fully encircled by one city, being that it has boundaries with unincorporated LA County areas.

Signal Hill, CA is fully enclaved by the city of Long Beach.

This is splitting hairs. West Hollywood and Beverly Hills together as a grouping are fully enclaved by Los Angeles.

[Buckeye Native 001]

Originally Posted by edale

Old hold overs from when the industrial landscape was much different. St. Bernard/Elmwood place is right next to the massive Ivorydale Procter and Gamble complex, where Ivory Soap was first made. Norwood had a huge GM(?) factory, as well as the HQ and factory for the US Playing Card Co. Both have closed and are in various phases of being redeveloped as retail complexes. Without the big industry, these cities probably would have been part of the City of Cincinnati. All three are whiter and more conservative than the neighboring city neighborhoods, though all are working class. In Norwood's case, it's considerably less wealthy than the city neighborhoods it borders (Hyde Park, Oakley). Quite a strange dynamic.

Norwood's also been losing population for decades but is apparently still the second-largest municipality in Hamilton County after Cincinnati. I'm a little surprised serious proposals haven't been brought forward to merge it with Cincinnati, but then again that's probably a logistical nightmare for both cities to absorb the required services?

I grew up in Cincinnati in the late 1980s/early 1990s. It was always way more obvious than it should've been when you left Hyde Park/Oakley and entered Norwood (I'm one to talk, living in Newtown), but it was still dealing with the fallout from the GM Plant closing in 1987. Not exactly akin to "Black Monday" in Youngstown, but lots of subsequent hardship.

[ChiSoxRox]

Originally Posted by wwmiv

Where is Austin?

Here are the Texas 1M+ metros by percentage living over the national weighted density of 5,792 ppsm.

Houston: 27.2%
San Antonio: 18.2%
Dallas: 17.9%
Austin: 15.6%

Three bonus MSAs:
Laredo: 38.2%
El Paso: 28.3%
College Station: 15.7%

[ChiSoxRox]

I've run the MSA weighted density calcs down to #200 (Daphne, AL -- Baldwin County -- across from and presumably soon to be merged into Mobile).

The top 50 (i.e. the top quartile):

New York.....33,787.5
San Francisco.....13,267.8
Honolulu.....12,581.9
Los Angeles.....12,212.7
San Jose.....9,075.9
Chicago.....9,011.9
Boston.....8,987.9
Miami.....8,489.2
Philadelphia.....8,258.5
San Diego.....7,381.9
Washington DC.....7,296.1
Las Vegas.....7,031.7
Salinas.....6,803.4
Santa Barbara.....6,631.3
Trenton.....6,169.4
Seattle.....6,146.3
Oxnard.....5,693.2
Bridgeport.....5,620.4
Stockton.....5,462.7
Denver.....5,418.0
Reading.....5,299.5
Providence.....5,204.6
Baltimore.....5,144.7
Salt Lake City.....5,070.9
Portland, OR.....5,058.8
Milwaukee.....5,023.7
Sacramento.....5,002.7
Laredo.....4,915.0
Modesto.....4,860.4
Madison.....4,833.8
Phoenix.....4,807.7
Santa Cruz.....4,782.3
Vallejo.....4,646.1
Riverside.....4,636.9
Houston.....4,606.4
New Orleans.....4,577.0
Fresno.....4,518.4
Bakersfield.....4,438.8
Buffalo.....4,348.8
Dallas.....4,274.7
Boulder.....4,274.5
New Haven.....4,208.3
Reno.....4,202.9
Provo.....4,201.0
Allentown.....4,087.5
Lubbock.....3,989.3
El Paso.....3,967.0
Detroit.....3,906.9
Ann Arbor.....3,803.5
Minneapolis.....3,784.4

The bottom 15:
Jackson, MS.....1,083.5
Fort Smith, AR.....1,055.1
Prescott, AZ.....1,051.6
Macon, GA.....1,041.4
Charleston, WV.....1,039.2
Ocala, FL.....1,005.2
Myrtle Beach, SC.....958.2
Spartanburg, SC.....913.1
Lynchburg, VA.....867.1
Asheville, NC.....847.2
Salisbury., MD....782.5
Longview, TX.....732.3
Kingsport, TN.....659.8
Hickory, NC.....619.0
Daphne, AL.....545.3

[subterranean]

Originally Posted by sopas ej

I know I'm being picky but Beverly Hills shares a border with the city of West Hollywood, and Culver City also technically isn't fully encircled by one city, being that it has boundaries with unincorporated LA County areas.

Signal Hill, CA is fully enclaved by the city of Long Beach.

Culver City is completely encircled by LA, even if only a small strip of land on the south end.

[edale]

Originally Posted by Buckeye Native 001

Norwood's also been losing population for decades but is apparently still the second-largest municipality in Hamilton County after Cincinnati. I'm a little surprised serious proposals haven't been brought forward to merge it with Cincinnati, but then again that's probably a logistical nightmare for both cities to absorb the required services?

I grew up in Cincinnati in the late 1980s/early 1990s. It was always way more obvious than it should've been when you left Hyde Park/Oakley and entered Norwood (I'm one to talk, living in Newtown), but it was still dealing with the fallout from the GM Plant closing in 1987. Not exactly akin to "Black Monday" in Youngstown, but lots of subsequent hardship.

I grew up in Cincy in the 90s/00s and Norwood had recovered a bit by then, but it still had a bit of a gross reputation. Very Appalachian. I remember people calling it "Norhood" pretty often, even though I don't think there's a big crime problem there. When I left Cincy, it seemed like it was maybe just starting to benefit from the Hyde Park spillover since neighboring Oakley also became desirable and expensive. But from what I've seen/heard since, it seems Madisonville is getting more of that type of movement these days, which is somewhat odd since that neighborhood actually does have a bit of a crime problem. People with means simply don't want to move to white trash neighborhoods. They'll move to Black neighborhoods with more crime and gentrify those places before touching the Norwoods of the world.

[sopas ej]

Originally Posted by subterranean

Culver City is completely encircled by LA, even if only a small strip of land on the south end.

It is not; it borders Baldwin Hills and Ladera Heights, which are significantly large unincorporated communities, not part of the city of Los Angeles.

[Buckeye Native 001]

Originally Posted by edale

I grew up in Cincy in the 90s/00s and Norwood had recovered a bit by then, but it still had a bit of a gross reputation. Very Appalachian. I remember people calling it "Norhood" pretty often, even though I don't think there's a big crime problem there. When I left Cincy, it seemed like it was maybe just starting to benefit from the Hyde Park spillover since neighboring Oakley also became desirable and expensive. But from what I've seen/heard since, it seems Madisonville is getting more of that type of movement these days, which is somewhat odd since that neighborhood actually does have a bit of a crime problem. People with means simply don't want to move to white trash neighborhoods. They'll move to Black neighborhoods with more crime and gentrify those places before touching the Norwoods of the world.

Oh man, I hadn't heard of "Norhood" that was after my time lol

Some of my cousins moved there in the late 2000s (one's husband was a Norwood city attorney) and I remember us all thinking at the time, "why!?"

[subterranean]

Originally Posted by sopas ej

It is not; it borders Baldwin Hills and Ladera Heights, which are significantly large unincorporated communities, not part of the city of Los Angeles.

Ok, you really are splitting hairs, lol. There's no way you're escaping Culver City without running through L.A.

[MPLS_Const_Watch]

ChiSoxRox or others, any idea what the densest tract in the Midwest outside of Chicago is? Is it Dane County 16.03?

I ask because Hennepin County 1039, which is currently the densest tract in Minneapolis, has had three large projects break ground in the last month which between them have enough units to bring it from its current 41k up to 60k. Seems unlikely that it could catch up to Dane County 16.03 at 99k, but a lot can happen in another 8 years.

[Steely Dan]

Originally Posted by MPLS_Const_Watch

ChiSoxRox or others, any idea what the densest tract in the Midwest outside of Chicago is? Is it Dane County 16.03?

at 99K ppsm, madison's 16.03 is the densest midwest tract outside of chicago that i can find.

[MPLS_Const_Watch]

Originally Posted by Steely Dan

at 99K ppsm, madison's 16.03 is the densest midwest tract outside of chicago that i can find.

Thanks, that's what I was seeing too.

[sopas ej]

Originally Posted by wwmiv

This is splitting hairs. West Hollywood and Beverly Hills together as a grouping are fully enclaved by Los Angeles.

Call it what you like, but Ladera Heights/Baldwin Hills is an even bigger area than West Hollywood is, and people have said that Beverly Hills by itself is an enclave, even though it shares a border with WeHo.

It is possible to go west on Slauson from South LA, through Ladera Heights: (which is not part of the city of LA of course), and then into Culver City:
https://www.google.com/maps/place/La....3703703?hl=en

Ladera Heights has a strong-enough community identity to have its name on the street signs, even:
https://www.google.com/maps/@33.9874...4!8i8192?hl=en

But if you want to consider Baldwin Hills/Ladera Heights to be part of the city of LA (or even part of Culver City), then that's your choice.

[Yuri]

While I was adding up Downtowns for my thread, Allentown caught my attention: their inner city is very very dense. I've never expected to find that in a such smaller MSA.

When I come up back home, I'll bring the exact figures, but over a very big area (15 km2), they have an almost 5,000 inh/km2 (13,000 inh/sqm) density. I didn't expect that at all. Madison is always mentioned, but I don't remember to read anything about Allentown.

On GSV, it has a (nice) Latin American city urban configuration.

[Steely Dan]

switching gears to demographic results from the census, the city of chicago now officially finds itself at perhaps one of the biggest inflection points of macro-demo equilibrium that it will likely ever know.

the big 3 groups are all within a percentage point of each other, with asian/other making up the remaining 10%.

white - 31% (863,000)
latino - 30% (819,000)
black - 29% (787,000)
asian - 7% (189,000)
other - 3% (88,000)

In 2010, there were more than 778,000 Latinos living in Chicago — comprising nearly 29% of the city. Now, there are more than 819,000 Latinos in Chicago, making up nearly 30% of the city’s population.

The number of Asian residents in the city also increased from more than 144,000 in 2010 to more than 189,000 in 2020, according to an analysis of census data. Asians now make up nearly 7% of the city’s population.

But the number of Black residents in Chicago decreased 9.7% in the past decade, from more than 872,000 in 2010 to more than 787,000 in 2020, according to the census. Black residents now make up nearly 29% of the city’s population.

The number of white residents in Chicago grew slightly — by 1% — from more than 854,000 in 2010 to more than 863,000 in 2020. White residents make up 31% of the city’s population.

source: https://chicago.suntimes.com/2021/8/...s%20population.



if current trend lines continue (more or less), latinos will leapfrog ahead of whites by 2030, and blacks will fall more definitively into 3rd place. asians will be nearing 10% by then.

however, black flight this past decade was cut in half compared to the '00s (-85K vs -180K), so if that continues to slow down, then the 3 big macro groups could remain relatively at parity with each other.

[ChiSoxRox]

Originally Posted by MPLS_Const_Watch

ChiSoxRox or others, any idea what the densest tract in the Midwest outside of Chicago is? Is it Dane County 16.03?

I ask because Hennepin County 1039, which is currently the densest tract in Minneapolis, has had three large projects break ground in the last month which between them have enough units to bring it from its current 41k up to 60k. Seems unlikely that it could catch up to Dane County 16.03 at 99k, but a lot can happen in another 8 years.

Six tracts in the Midwest outside Chicago over 40k ppsm

Dane, WI 16.03 - 99,218.2 ppsm

Dane, WI 16.04 - 62,185

Ingham, MI 44.90 - 61,636.8

Champaign, IL 4.01 - 53,054

Dane, WI 16.06 - 46,152.6

Ingham, MI 44.94 - 43,938.7

Hennepin, MN 1039 - 41,488.5

Dane, WI - Madison, UW
Ingham, MI - East Lansing, MSU
Champaign, IL - Fighting Illini

The Minneapolis one is Dinkytown next to the UM campus, so Go Big Ten!

(For comparison, Chicago has 44 such tracts)

[RST500]

Originally Posted by craigs

Census reports declining population on L.A.’s Eastside, fueling undercount fears

David Zahniser
Los Angeles Times
Aug. 30, 2021

Over the last two years, politicians, civic leaders and community activists across Los Angeles worried that Latinos would not be properly counted as part of the U.S. Census Bureau’s once-in-a-decade population survey.

Amid the COVID-19 pandemic, city and county officials sent volunteers to knock on doors, staged “pop-up” sites to help people with their forms and provided goody bags to those who successfully turned in their information.

L.A.’s neighborhood numbers have finally come out, as part of the city’s process for redrawing the boundaries of its 15 City Council districts. And some at City Hall are disappointed with the results.

Highland Park, a neighborhood on the city’s northeast end, recorded a decline in population of more than 3,900 people between 2010 and 2020, according to census figures released by the city’s Redistricting Commission. The Eastside neighborhood of Boyle Heights fell by 3,300. And Cypress Park showed a decrease of about 1,250, or 13% — the largest of any L.A. neighborhood.

In the west San Fernando Valley, the opposite phenomenon played out, with Northridge adding 3,400 people and Chatsworth taking on 6,000. Woodland Hills recorded an additional 8,200 people — a 13% increase, according to the Redistricting Commission.

“Our worst fears have been realized, in a sense, with a poor-quality count primarily in Latino-majority areas in the Eastside of the city,” said David Ely, a demographic consultant with the Redistricting Commission.

That disparity — declining population numbers on the Eastside and major increases in the West Valley — will present challenges for the redistricting panel, which will devote the next two months to creating new maps for the City Council’s 15 districts. Each district must have roughly the same number of people, which means some will need to add population, and others will need to shed.
. . . .


Meanwhile, the Los Angeles Times compiled detailed neighborhood Census results for the City of Los Angeles. The whole chart is worth a look, but here are some highlights and lowlights:

LA City neighborhoods with the greatest gains in the 2020 Census:

Neighborhood - 2010 - 2020 - Percent increase
Playa Vista - 7,957 - 15,149 - 90%
Downtown - 42,499 - 66,555 - 57%
Century City - 5,752 - 7,050 - 23%
Chatsworth - 39,606 - 45,661 - 15%
Woodland Hills - 63,654 - 71,854 - 13%

And the worst losses:

Neighborhood - 2010 - 2020 - Percent decrease
Cypress Park - 9,631 - 8,373 - −13%
Elysian Valley - 6,897 - 6,123 - −11%
East Hollywood - 68,197 - 61,439 - −10%
Chinatown/
Solano Canyon - 19,398 - 17,640 - −9%
Highland Park - 54,813 - 50,903 - −7%

https://laccrc2021.org/wp-content/up...s-and-Maps.pdf

This site for LA's census data does not have a category to rank White growth.

[MPLS_Const_Watch]

Originally Posted by ChiSoxRox

Six tracts in the Midwest outside Chicago over 40k ppsm

Dane, WI 16.03 - 99,218.2 ppsm

Dane, WI 16.04 - 62,185

Ingham, MI 44.90 - 61,636.8

Champaign, IL 4.01 - 53,054

Dane, WI 16.06 - 46,152.6

Ingham, MI 44.94 - 43,938.7

Hennepin, MN 1039 - 41,488.5

Dane, WI - Madison, UW
Ingham, MI - East Lansing, MSU
Champaign, IL - Fighting Illini

The Minneapolis one is Dinkytown next to the UM campus, so Go Big Ten!

(For comparison, Chicago has 44 such tracts)

Thank you, very helpful! Your census stats prowess is unmatched!