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Old Posted Nov 11, 2014, 12:46 AM
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I agree.

This photo is amazing!

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Agreed.

I kind of wish one of the tridents was from 2 WTC however.
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Old Posted Nov 11, 2014, 6:55 AM
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Haven't been inside the museum itself yet. I'll have to check it out, and finally come to terms with 9/11.

But yeah, the memorial is beautiful, especially at night. I can't wait until it's covered in snow.

Downtown is really becoming a much nicer place than it was before 9/11. It's a true rebirth.
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Haven't been inside the museum itself yet. I'll have to check it out, and finally come to terms with 9/11.

But yeah, the memorial is beautiful, especially at night. I can't wait until it's covered in snow.

Downtown is really becoming a much nicer place than it was before 9/11. It's a true rebirth.

The 9/11 Museum is worth the price of admission...they did it right. It's pretty intense and brings you right back to that day. Now for any NY'er that day comes right back to us without any reminders.

It is a true rebirth, but I'll take what we had any day...the World Trade Center was EPIC!


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Old Posted Nov 11, 2014, 6:20 PM
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Seeing this in person, I was taken away by how massive this structure actually is. Photos don't do it justice.
Taken from my visit last week:









More images/original sizes on my flickr:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/89684407@N05/
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Old Posted Nov 11, 2014, 6:48 PM
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^Fantastic panos. The new WTC has certainly become an impressive place. Even 30 Park Place is making an impact
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http://observer.com/2013/05/pathfail/

PATH/Fail: The Story of the World’s Most Expensive Train Station

By Stephen Jacob Smith



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The Port Authority used to set records in good ways. The George Washington Bridge was a marvel of engineering in its day, the world’s longest bridge when it was built, and still the busiest. The Port Authority Bus Terminal, opened in 1950, is to this day the largest on earth by passenger volume.

But today, the Port Authority of New York and New Jersey doesn’t brag about the records it sets. One World Trade Center, born the Freedom Tower and taken over by the Port in 2006, will be the most expensive office building in the world. The “Vehicle Security Center,” an underground tour bus garage and road network serving the World Trade Center complex, may very well be the most expensive parking garage in history.

And then there’s the PATH station to New Jersey, the most troubled project at one of the world’s most troubled construction sites. At $3.74 billion, plus another $200 million in contingencies, the “Transportation Hub” at the World Trade Center—not even the busiest station in the Financial District—will be far and away the most expensive train station built in modern history.

The Hub, as it’s known in Port Authority speak, will be the crowning artistic statement of the World Trade Center complex, perhaps the last grand gesture at a site that was supposed to be full of them. “Let me draw for you what I cannot say,” its architect, Santiago Calatrava, said at the unveiling in 2004. Then, wrote Newsweek, “he fluently sketched a child releasing a bird—a spellbinding image that had inspired his design.”

When the grandiose ambitions and the emotions of 9/11 met with the famously flush Port Authority, disaster struck. Mission creep, an inattentive governor and extreme politicization sent costs skyward, eventually outstripping even the record-setting resources devoted to it. Its wings had to be stilled and its supports thickened, the bird in flight devolving into an immobilized stegosaurus. The world’s most expensive train station, it seems, was not expensive enough to contain all of New York’s dreams.

For nearly $4 billion, most cities could build entire subway lines. Even the MTA, which frequently breaks cost records of its own, managed to build its Fulton Center hub, a renovation of five densely tangled lines, for $1.4 billion. Nobody’s subway tunnels cost more than the MTA’s, but even they could fund most of the second phase of the Second Avenue subway, from 96th Street to 125th, with that kind of cash.

The World Trade Center PATH station is actually not a particularly busy one. “No one intelligently could say that the level of design and architecture associated with it was commensurate with the level of usage,” said one former commissioner. (Like nearly everyone we interviewed for this story, he would only speak on the condition of anonymity.)
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Old Posted Nov 12, 2014, 1:55 AM
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Beating a dead horse...
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Old Posted Nov 12, 2014, 4:33 AM
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$4 Billion

If it makes you feel better a four mile extension of the L.A. subway is going to cost $2.7 billion and take ten years to build. At least the Calatrava stegosaurus looks fantastic and will be a terrific tourist attraction.
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If it makes you feel better a four mile extension of the L.A. subway is going to cost $2.7 billion and take ten years to build. At least the Calatrava stegosaurus looks fantastic and will be a terrific tourist attraction.
At least the LA subway will carry passengers. The absurd cost of this station is almost all for looks, not for any sort of increase in capacity. Think where we would be if this money had been spent for Phase 2 of the Second Avenue Subway for instance.
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http://online.wsj.com/articles/compl...ing-1409788832

Complex Design, Political Disputes Send World Trade Center Rail Hub's Cost Soaring
Project is Eight Years Behind Schedule and At Least $2 Billion Over Budget


Work continues on a new station at the redeveloped World Trade Center site in New York City. The project is at least $2 billion over budget. Associated Press

By Eliot Brown, Sept. 3, 2014 8:00 p.m. ET

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NEW YORK—The most expensive train station in the U.S. is taking shape at the site of the former World Trade Center, a majestic marble-and-steel commuter hub that was seen by project boosters as a landmark to American hope and resilience.

Instead, the terminal connecting New Jersey with downtown Manhattan has turned into a public-works embarrassment. Overtaking the project's emotional resonance is a practical question: How could such a high-profile project fall eight years behind schedule and at least $2 billion over budget?

An analysis of federal oversight reports viewed by The Wall Street Journal and interviews with current and former officials show a project sunk in a morass of politics and government. Those redesigning the World Trade Center—destroyed by terrorists in 2001—were besieged by demands from various agencies and officials, and "the answer was never, 'No,' " said Christopher Ward, executive director from 2008 to 2011 of the Port Authority of New York and New Jersey, the project's builder.

Why that happened is more difficult to untangle. The Port Authority, run jointly by the two states, has long been known for political infighting. City, state and federal agencies, as well as real-estate developer Larry Silverstein, also joined in. In public and private clashes, they each pushed to include their own ideas, making the site's design ever more complex, former project officials said.

These disputes added significant delays and costs to the transit station, which serves as a backbone to the bigger 16-acre redevelopment site, connecting the World Trade Center's four planned office towers, underground retail space and the 9/11 museum, the officials said and oversight reports show.

When completed in 2015, the station is on track to cost between $3.7 and $4 billion, more than double its original budget of $1.7 billion to $2 billion.

Top officials at the agency say the project will be a boon for lower Manhattan when it opens, and they are committed to finishing the job. But now that the price tag has run so high, they question whether it should have been scaled back earlier.

"Did you need to build the $3.7 billion transportation hub to achieve the meaningfulness of the World Trade Center redevelopment?" asked Scott Rechler, vice chairman of the Port Authority since 2011. "In hindsight, I don't know if I would have come to that conclusion."

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But current and former officials who worked on the project, a terminal for the PATH commuter rail system, said in interviews they believed demands, disagreements and poor coordination among the many parties working on the World Trade Center site spurred hundreds of millions of dollars in overruns.

Former New York Mayor Michael Bloomberg, for example, insisted the memorial plaza be finished by the 10th anniversary of the Sept. 11, 2001 attacks. The request added more than $100 million to costs and months of delay, said Port Authority officials, because once the plaza was built, a large swath of the underground terminal below the plaza had to be built without use of cranes or other large equipment. Workers had to move materials by hand.

Marc LaVorgna, a spokesman for Mr. Bloomberg, said completion of the plaza was "extremely important to the 9/11 families, important for the entire city and, frankly, the country," adding the ex-mayor stands by his decision.

"The fact that the station is a national symbol for government waste has everything to do with its original design and limited purpose," Mr. LaVorgna said.

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But the overruns have affected commuters and travelers elsewhere, the agency said. Because federal support money has been capped, cost overruns for the rail terminal are paid by the Port Authority.

The project has contributed to the agency's strained finances, former officials said. Tolls for the agency's bridges and tunnels that connect Manhattan with New Jersey have more than doubled in the past decade. John F. Kennedy International Airport, La Guardia Airport and the Newark airport—also operated by the Port Authority—face budget constraints.

Port Authority officials acknowledged that the train station has prevented other investments, though they said they were moving forward with such projects such as a new La Guardia terminal as the World Trade Center project winds down.

"The PATH hub absorbed much of the revenue that should have gone to the airports," said Mitchell Moss, director of New York University's Rudin Center for Transportation. "Airline passengers are subsidizing the infrastructure for New Jersey commuters."
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Old Posted Nov 12, 2014, 3:57 PM
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Final rafter on the E side is up!

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Old Posted Nov 12, 2014, 6:51 PM
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The last corner of the memorial finally nearing completion:


Courtesy George Steinmetz
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Old Posted Nov 13, 2014, 12:07 AM
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Final rafter on the E side is up!

Is it just me or did the last rafter on the east side seem to take a little while longer to rise than the ones proceeding it? Nice to see them all up (almost). Of course I am biased (in favor) as regards to PATH, as I think this is the best architecture in Toronto...(Allen Lambert Galleria):

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brookfi...1_06.11.04.jpg
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Old Posted Nov 13, 2014, 12:27 AM
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Due to the mass of the last rafters on the N and S side, the first section must be fully welded before attaching the other section to them.

Before they welded the sections on the ground and lifted the rafter as a whole as they were lighter.
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Of note the last rafter still isn't installed. For the second day in a row they've had the rafter up during the day, but they weren't able to attach it- and so it is back on the ground.
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The last corner of the memorial finally nearing completion:


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Interesting how the trees furthest north have already lost their leaves while the trees to the south are still in full colored regalia. The survivor tree hasn't even started to change colors yet.
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Old Posted Nov 13, 2014, 4:11 PM
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Those trees to the north have had a rough go. They were planted just before last year's harsh winter I believe, and really don't look healthy up close. Likely still in shock from extrication and transportation. I'd say give em time.

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It's because the over-chlorinated water from the pool gets blown into the area due to high winds sometimes.
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They've started taking one of the cranes down!
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