CHICAGO: ORD & MDW discussion - Page 153

twister244 · #1 Posted **May 17, 2024, 7:40 PM**

No updated renderings.... But an updated timetable on construction. I am really curious why this won't get started until next year? The temporary gates at the end of C are basically done..... So much utility work has been done, and it can't take that long to fill in the detention basin in the central part of the airfield. The only real reason I can think of is the process the city has to go through to actually get the money out the door.

https://www.chicagobusiness.com/airl...egin-next-year

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The Department of Aviation says it will be working this summer to award contracts for excavation and foundation work for the first satellite concourse, but major construction won’t start until the middle of next year. The city expects to sell bonds in the third quarter of this year to fund the next phase of construction, but the amount has not been finalized.

Kngkyle · #2 Posted **May 18, 2024, 3:44 AM**

It's a fucking disgrace that the city is using the pandemic as an excuse for the delays when other airports did the opposite and used the reduced operations to speed up construction and reduce costs.

We slow-rolled the project and now the costs are ballooning, the airlines are balking, and we're going to end up with a watered down design and potentially no second satellite or a super delayed one at a minimum (maybe 2040?). Financing and construction costs will have doubled before this thing even gets started compared to what it could have been.

I realize hindsight is 20/20 but once again our city government shit the bed on a golden opportunity.

jonesrmj · #3 Posted **May 28, 2024, 2:09 PM**

Finally got some new renderings for the first Satellite:

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The city of Chicago is offering a glimpse of the first new concourse that will be built as part of the long-awaited terminal overhaul at O’Hare International Airport.
New renderings reveal a three-story passenger facility that will soar 67 feet, featuring a wide-open, light-filled space to accommodate international and domestic travelers. It will take three years to build the satellite concourse off Terminal 1, which is home to United and its partner airlines. When finished, it will provide room to park up to 19 aircraft.

https://www.chicagobusiness.com/airl...icle1-readmore

k1052 · #4 Posted **May 28, 2024, 3:52 PM**

Is that bus setup for a T5 connection? Should probably have a bit more weather protection given the climate...

twister244 · #5 Posted **May 28, 2024, 4:17 PM**

Extremely happy with this design. It's not anything crazy, but it's very sexy. Love the emphasis on wide windows with lighting and the nod to the wooden aesthetic we are seeing in the OGT (assuming same design). Also, I find this design much more appealing than the T5 expansion. Having walked down to check out the T5 expansion, while bright, large, and clean - It often feels sterile. This feels much much warmer and a portion of the airport I would want to go lounge at.

nomarandlee · #6 Posted **May 28, 2024, 4:30 PM**

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Originally Posted by twister244

Extremely happy with this design. It's not anything crazy, but it's very sexy. Love the emphasis on wide windows with lighting and the nod to the wooden aesthetic we are seeing in the OGT (assuming same design). Also, I find this design much more appealing than the T5 expansion. Having walked down to check out the T5 expansion, while bright, large, and clean - It often feels sterile. This feels much much warmer and a portion of the airport I would want to go lounge at.

It looks plenty nice. Noting artistic or signature looking about it, nor one that will win any awards, but light, airy, and functional.

While I slightly agree with you about the T5 extension, I think it will look much better when it has some vendors and concessions put in. I love the look of the new T5 extension, even if the all white/blue glass looks a bit retread of a Chinese Airport or Train station.

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Originally Posted by k1052

Is that bus setup for a T5 connection? Should probably have a bit more weather protection given the climate...

Immediately what I was thinking. I am guessing (more hoping) it will only serve as an interim solution until the airside transit train is built. Given unforgiving Chicago weather I hope they have enclosures that practically meet the bus doors. It is one thing to have to walk the tarmac on a sunny Carribean or Spanish island, it is a whole other experience to deal with Chicago cold and winds in mid-January, even if just for 10-20 seconds.

ardecila · #7 Posted **May 29, 2024, 2:53 PM**

I really like it. That curved end elevation on the north especially feels very Nordic to me, like something Aalto or Saarinen would do. The interior with the big barrel vault reminds me of the old Willow Run airport outside Detroit.

I also appreciate all the wood tones, I've seen that in some mid-budget airports like MCI and MSY but big-city terminals at LGA, SFO etc are very sleek and cold-feeling. Given Chicago's gloomy weather I think a little bit of "hygge" in the airport goes a long way. Hell, they should even put in some fireplaces and oversized armchairs!

I don't love how the sterile corridor is glassed-in, though. Similar corridors I've seen in Madrid and Vancouver are open-air, it makes the terminal feel a lot more spacious. Is there really such a huge security risk to an open-air corridor?

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Originally Posted by nomarandlee

Immediatly what I was thinking. I am guessing (more hoping) it will only serve as an interm solution until the airside transit train is built. Given unforgiving Chicago weather I hope they have enclosures that practically meet the bus doors. It is one thing to have to walk the tarmic on a sunny Carribean or Spanih island, it is a whole other experience to deal with Chicago cold and wins in mid-January, even if just for 10-20 seconds.

Yeah, when the satellite opens the only customs facility is still in T5. So they will use the sterile corridor and the bus system to shuttle international arrivals over to T5 for a few years, until the new T2 is built.

I could be wrong but I don't think the train will be sterile though. They might need to build a sterile corridor in the tunnel alongside the train, with moving walkways. Or they just keep using buses, but going to T2 instead of T5.

k1052 · #8 Posted **May 29, 2024, 2:59 PM**

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Originally Posted by ardecila

I could be wrong but I don't think the train will be sterile though. They might need to build a sterile corridor in the tunnel alongside the train, with moving walkways. Or they just keep using buses, but going to T2 instead of T5.

My recollection is that the plan is for a sterile walking connection from the satellite terminal to T2.

sentinel · #9 Posted **May 28, 2024, 6:01 PM**

I really like that design!

I suspect the updated T2 design will have similarities, to be more consistent throughout the airport..the question is, did the updated T2 inform the satellites, or vice-versa?
Seeing those large ocular skylites in the renderings above, they look somewhat similar to the updated roof plan and building sections I saw for T2, perhaps the big terminal did influence the satellite designs…and conversely, we may be getting a taste of what the Global Hub will look like based on these images.

twister244 · #10 Posted **May 28, 2024, 7:24 PM**

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Originally Posted by sentinel

I really like that design!

I suspect the updated T2 design will have similarities, to be more consistent throughout the airport..the question is, did the updated T2 inform the satellites, or vice-versa?
Seeing those large ocular skylites in the renderings above, they look somewhat similar to the updated roof plan and building sections I saw for T2, perhaps the big terminal did influence the satellite designs…and conversely, we may be getting a taste of what the Global Hub will look like based on these images.

If I had to guess, I would suspect the OGT design has influenced the S1 design..... If I recall, the original renderings we saw of satellites was based on a uniform SOM design during the competition. Looks like they went back and made adjustments to bring the S1 design closer to the OGT design......

BrickellBased · #11 Posted **May 30, 2024, 2:11 PM**

Article out with same renderings and some info on Urbanize today.

https://chicago.urbanize.city/post/r...-part-ohare-21

I echo others' sentiments. The design is nice - please just build it sooner rather than later.

2PRUROCKS! · #12 Posted **May 31, 2024, 12:49 PM**

I really like the design of the satellite concourse. It exceeds what I was expecting for the design. I love the tree like columns and "floating" walkway and really like the gentle elegant curves, the warm tones and varied textures of the ceiling, and the abundance of natural light.

r18tdi · #13 Posted **May 31, 2024, 7:40 PM**

Maybe this schematic was correct after all? The footprint and massing of satellite concourse looks pretty accurate. Hopefully we'll see the revised OGT break cover soon:

Tcmetro · #14 Posted **Jun 1, 2024, 4:48 AM**

Terminal 5 parking garage construction update:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wSjCmblCRtE

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Chicagoguy · #15 Posted **Jul 11, 2024, 10:45 PM**

Avianca Adds Airbus A320 Chicago O'Hare To Bogota Flights

“With airlines starting to look toward the 2024 winter season, Latin American carrier avianca has announced it is resuming the route connecting Chicago to the Colombian capital, Bogota, after a five-year hiatus. On Wednesday, the airline opened ticket sales for the new nonstop route that will commence on October 27, offering more than 2,500 seats weekly.”

“The route will be operated with an Airbus A320 with a capacity for 180 passengers on the daily flights. It is scheduled to depart Bogota El Dorado as flight AV262 at 07:00 and arrive in Chicago at 13:15. The return flight AV263 departs Chicago O'Hare at 14:35 and is due back in Bogota at 20:25.“

https://simpleflying.com/avianca-air...-ohare-bogota/

Tcmetro · #16 Posted **Jul 14, 2024, 3:01 AM**

The latest update of Google Earth imagery (March 2024) shows the new gates L25 and L27 in Terminal 3 (F26 to open in the fall once the building that is there is demolished. It also shows the temporary gates at the Terminal 1 satellite concourse that will be used while the new satellite is under construction.

N830MH · #17 Posted **Aug 4, 2024, 10:09 PM**

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Originally Posted by Tcmetro

The latest update of Google Earth imagery (March 2024) shows the new gates L25 and L27 in Terminal 3 (F26 to open in the fall once the building that is there is demolished. It also shows the temporary gates at the Terminal 1 satellite concourse that will be used while the new satellite is under construction.

Oh, great! Thanks for the update! Keep us posted!

SIGSEGV · #18 Posted **Sep 6, 2024, 11:04 PM**

I flew to Frankfurt the other day on a full Lufthansa 747 from B16 that was scheduled just half an hour after a flight to Munich (not sure what plane and if it was also completely full...) at B17. The gate area was a complete chaotic shit show from so many people for the two flights. It got better after the Munich people left but I feel like maybe scheduling the two flights so close together is kind of mess? Probably the problem is that B16/17 are too contended. Next time I fly to Frankfurt I'll definitely avoid the 4 pm flight...

aaron38 · #19 Posted **Sep 27, 2024, 3:25 PM**

Parking lot question if anyone knows. Went on a business trip a few weeks ago. My boss wanted to carpool and drive. When we got there, the garage at the end of the tram was full, so we had to park in Economy lot G. There was a shuttle bus that brought us over to the tram.

On the tram ride, we passed over a completely empty parking lot (I think E) with an empty ghost tram station filled with trash that we didn't stop at.

Why is that station empty and that lot empty when it's closer to the airport than G? Why are they running shuttle busses instead of having that station open?

twister244 · #20 Posted **Sep 27, 2024, 4:22 PM**

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Originally Posted by aaron38

Parking lot question if anyone knows. Went on a business trip a few weeks ago. My boss wanted to carpool and drive. When we got there, the garage at the end of the tram was full, so we had to park in Economy lot G. There was a shuttle bus that brought us over to the tram.

On the tram ride, we passed over a completely empty parking lot (I think E) with an empty ghost tram station filled with trash that we didn't stop at.

Why is that station empty and that lot empty when it's closer to the airport than G? Why are they running shuttle busses instead of having that station open?

Hmmmm - Good observation. Looking at satellite imagery, it does look like there's a ghost station there. Maybe that lot has been reserved for construction equipment, or where construction workers park there car? I don't think there's any other plans for that area, so maybe it will open up as a station after all of the expansion work is done?