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Old Posted Oct 10, 2014, 2:30 PM
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Thanks SidewalkSuper, but the link you gave me translates itself to http://www.earthcam.net/archives/521...10/10/1016.jpg
and the same url always produces the 1016 result, what about later today, and tomorrow and so forth? do you have a page with that link listed? I used to have that, together with a link to 3wtc, etc.
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Old Posted Oct 10, 2014, 2:37 PM
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Thanks SidewalkSuper, but the link you gave me translates itself to http://www.earthcam.net/archives/521...10/10/1016.jpg
and the same url always produces the 1016 result, what about later today, and tomorrow and so forth? do you have a page with that link listed? I used to have that, together with a link to 3wtc, etc.
It keeps refreshing throughout the day.
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Old Posted Oct 10, 2014, 5:07 PM
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Sure, but to do that I have to click on the link on the previous page every time I want to see the updates – not very convenient. Because when you click on that link you land on the current (last captured) view, that has a time tag attached to it, and when you refresh that same page, it won't update to the next shot.
Is there a root url to click on somewhere, possibly also of the other views at the WTC - not the earthcam site, the resolution there is crappy). Thanks!
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Old Posted Oct 12, 2014, 2:38 PM
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The page for the Transit Hub Webcam is this link under webcam Path: http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpo...postcount=3262




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Sure, but to do that I have to click on the link on the previous page every time I want to see the updates – not very convenient. Because when you click on that link you land on the current (last captured) view, that has a time tag attached to it, and when you refresh that same page, it won't update to the next shot.
Is there a root url to click on somewhere, possibly also of the other views at the WTC - not the earthcam site, the resolution there is crappy). Thanks!
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Old Posted Oct 12, 2014, 9:14 PM
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This was posted on SSC and gives a good look at Liberty Park and the church.

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Old Posted Oct 12, 2014, 11:06 PM
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Great vid!

I'm assuming the interior will have some pews installed for parishioners to use.

Any word on when the church will be complete? It looks like they are basically ready for construction.
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Old Posted Oct 12, 2014, 11:38 PM
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According to my recent documents, mobilization of it will begin in January.
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Old Posted Oct 14, 2014, 10:19 AM
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http://www.citylab.com/design/2014/1...ctical/381139/

Why Can't Transportation Mega-Projects Be Both Beautiful and Practical?
In New York City's $4 billion PATH Hub, form overtakes function.

BENJAMIN KABAK @2AvSagas Oct 7, 2014



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Nestled among the skyscrapers of Midtown Manhattan, at the crossroads of 42nd Street and Park Avenue, rests the 101-year-old Grand Central Terminal. Designed by the early-20th-Century architectural powerhouses of Reed and Stem and Warren and Wetmore, this Beaux-Arts masterpiece, along with the Park Avenue tunnels, cost nearly $3 billion in today's money, and provided a regional and intercity connection for a growing New York City. Today, approximately 700,000 travelers, commuters, and tourists pass through its sweeping halls and stair-less design on a daily basis. Grand Central wasn't cheap, but it worked in the Gilded Age and it works now, a triumph of design and utility alike.

Fast forward a century and head south a few miles. In Lower Manhattan, a new train terminal arises. This one too comes with a star-studded architect behind it, and it too is being constructed in and around an active subway station. It's also going to cost an unheard-of amount by the time construction is over. I am, of course, referring to the Port Authority's Santiago Calatrava World Trade Center PATH Hub, a $4 billion behemoth at Ground Zero that will serve around up to 40,000 PATH passengers per day. Under construction for seven years, it is set to open in 2015 and has come to stand for the debate over design, cost and a public agency's responsibility to the public.

Calatrava's PATH Hub looms physically and metaphorically over transit planning in New York City. The stark white design of Calatrava's rafters hulk over the streets even as the visible joints and rust coloring give it a rundown urban chic look. From above, the building appears downright ionic. Inside, the white marble hallways designed to accommodate 200,000 pedestrians glisten, with light bouncing off in every direction. One day, this underground passage will host a high-end mall from the Cortlandt Street 1 train station to Brookfield Plaza, and the mall will offset the expense. It was supposed to be a subway station.

From a practical perspective, where Grand Central seamlessly integrates commuters with its purpose as a rail depot, the Port Authority's new hub fails its customers, the PATH-riding public. One platform is already completed, and its design flaws are obvious. Staircases are too narrow to accommodate the morning crowds who come streaming out of the trains from Hoboken, Jersey City, and beyond, while the narrow platforms quickly fill with irate commuters. Anyone trying to catch a train back to the Garden State risks a stampede. The marble, bright and sterile, picks up any spill, and a drop of water creates dangerously slippery conditions until a Port Authority janitor scurries out of some unseen door, mop in hand. Passenger flow and comfort, two of the most important elements of terminal design, seem to be an afterthought. The PATH Hub is shaping up to be an example of design divorced from purpose.

The price tag too creates consternation among those fighting for sparse transit dollars. For $4 billion, the Port Authority could have extended PATH to Brooklyn, built a one-seat ride from Lower Manhattan to JFK Airport or helped cover the cost overruns from the dearly departed ARC Tunnel. For $4 billion, the MTA could build out most, if not all, of another phase of the Second Avenue subway or the lost 7 line station at 41st Street and 10th Avenue five times over. At a time with real needs for regional transportation improvements, a $4 billion missed opportunity stings.

It wasn't supposed to be like this. Calatrava's station was originally expected to cost $2 billion, and it was to feature fewer of the rusting rafters and a retractable roof. But as the costs have soared, so too have the design compromises, and it's hard to divorce the two. Not one to mince words, the New York Post called it an "elephantine excess … of bureaucracy-fed vainglory." With no strong Port Authority leadership or oversight, and countless politicians hoping to make their marks, Calatrava was given carte blanche to rework his design to fit warring factions' needs, and costs went up without bounds. The Port Authority delegated its project management to nowhere, and we are stuck with a building that falls far short of its transportation purposes. The only real transit capacity increases in this $4 billion subway stop are lengthened platforms for longer trains.

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Old Posted Oct 14, 2014, 8:53 PM
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Transit Hub today, 10-14-2014

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Old Posted Oct 14, 2014, 9:18 PM
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http://www.citylab.com/design/2014/1...ctical/381139/

Why Can't Transportation Mega-Projects Be Both Beautiful and Practical?
In New York City's $4 billion PATH Hub, form overtakes function.

BENJAMIN KABAK @2AvSagas Oct 7, 2014

These dumbass critics obviously can't tell the entire project is still largely under construction, hence the "design flaws". The permanent Platform A that opened earlier this year has temporary walls all around it because of that, making it seemed cramped... Once the perm PATH Hall opens this December, they will realize exactly why this has a $4 billion price tag. It will become even more clear once the entire Transit Hub/Mall opens in September 2015. The only thing opening this December is B2 level corridors and some more PATH platforms (along with PATH HALL).
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Old Posted Oct 15, 2014, 1:05 AM
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These dumbass critics obviously can't tell the entire project is still largely under construction, hence the "design flaws". The permanent Platform A that opened earlier this year has temporary walls all around it because of that, making it seemed cramped... Once the perm PATH Hall opens this December, they will realize exactly why this has a $4 billion price tag. It will become even more clear once the entire Transit Hub/Mall opens in September 2015. The only thing opening this December is B2 level corridors and some more PATH platforms (along with PATH HALL).
At any rate, I think most people who can agree the money could have been better spent elsewhere. I have no doubt the new station will be beautiful, but there are many practical problems that could have been solved with these funds.
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Old Posted Oct 15, 2014, 1:26 AM
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These dumbass critics obviously can't tell the entire project is still largely under construction, hence the "design flaws". The permanent Platform A that opened earlier this year has temporary walls all around it because of that, making it seemed cramped... Once the perm PATH Hall opens this December, they will realize exactly why this has a $4 billion price tag. It will become even more clear once the entire Transit Hub/Mall opens in September 2015. The only thing opening this December is B2 level corridors and some more PATH platforms (along with PATH HALL).
Which is all true, but like every MTA/PA project, this one has turned out to be grossly over budget and has taken far longer than planned.
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Old Posted Oct 15, 2014, 1:51 AM
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Old Posted Oct 15, 2014, 2:14 AM
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Which is all true, but like every MTA/PA project, this one has turned out to be grossly over budget and has taken far longer than planned.
I blame Chris Christie. He is a bully GOP idiot.
however everybody should have known 13 years ago
that this project would take longer and cost more.
I think it will be beautiful when done.
the shopping mall will be a HUGE success.
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Old Posted Oct 15, 2014, 2:33 PM
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These dumbass critics obviously can't tell the entire project is still largely under construction, hence the "design flaws". The permanent Platform A that opened earlier this year has temporary walls all around it because of that, making it seemed cramped... Once the perm PATH Hall opens this December, they will realize exactly why this has a $4 billion price tag. It will become even more clear once the entire Transit Hub/Mall opens in September 2015. The only thing opening this December is B2 level corridors and some more PATH platforms (along with PATH HALL).
Have you ridden the HOB to WTC PATH line that arrives at the new platform? It seriously is pretty terrible from a flow point of view. There are two escalators for the entire platform. One up, one down. Beyond that, there are two staircases. They're narrow, and no more than 2 people wide can comfortably ascend. The platform is also narrower than most NYC subway platforms, and the bulky escalators and elevator hog up a lot of the room.

As you said, there is a temporary wall while Track 2 is finished however that wall runs along the edge of the platform. Removing it will give the impression of more space but you won't actually pick up any square footage.

I just hope that the remaining platforms are a lot wider. Look at the temporary platform currently servicing the NWK-WTC line. It's at least twice as wide, and features multiple staircases, the main of which is 4 sections wide. During the crowded rush hour peak that platform is packed with bodies.
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Old Posted Oct 15, 2014, 6:51 PM
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This was posted on SSC and gives a good look at Liberty Park and the church.

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Weird how their render fills in a glassy box tower where Zucotti Park is. Also fills in 130 Liberty Street with a non-existent glass box, and it looks like from some angles even the US Steel building is another glassy box.

I know those aren't the focus on the render, but why spend time modeling fine details of things like the cross braces of 3 WTC and then plop those where they don't belong?
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Old Posted Oct 15, 2014, 8:56 PM
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That is a 5 WTC massing where 130 Liberty is, just as a placeholder.
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Old Posted Oct 16, 2014, 3:34 PM
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Nice updates

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