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Old Posted Aug 9, 2023, 2:48 PM
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They do realize it's not ready to go now, right? Could take another year before it's safe to use, and even then, station construction could still cause a safety issue.

Sure, if the station and bridge are complete, it might be worth looking into opening it, like every other (useful) bridge and bus loops.
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Gonna be hard to open it since it's so integrated into the station. Getting Blair station vibes.
I wish it was more like Tremblay or Kanata pedestrian bridges.

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A key point here, and I hope someone can say that I'm wrong...

The new bridge truss just installed doesn't seem to have any 'outriggers' on the bottom to support glazing. It looks like it'll be the same as the Tremblay/Max Keeping bridge, with exposed exterior truss elements.

The recently finished, new Harmer Ave/Jackie Holzman bridge is fully glazed from the exterior, which is a big upgrade.

Having refinished an 'interior' glazed bridge, with trusses exposed to the elements and severely corroding, I can attest that having the glass outside is WAY better from a service life perspective on the steel frame.

The rendering below looks like the glazing is on the exterior. And a worrying point, the glazing rendering looks like it is the same top-unfinished madness from the station designs.

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Gonna be hard to open it since it's so integrated into the station. Getting Blair station vibes.
I wish it was more like Tremblay or Kanata pedestrian bridges.

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Curious, why the city didn't mandate incremental line construction and launch. Year two - open Westboro and Kichi-Sibi, year three - Lincoln Fields, etc.

This way they could start serving people quicker, find any real-world operational issues sooner, keep the buzz going. More ribbon cutting ceremonies after all.
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Curious, why the city didn't mandate incremental line construction and launch. Year two - open Westboro and Kichi-Sibi, year three - Lincoln Fields, etc.

This way they could start serving people quicker, find any real-world operational issues sooner, keep the buzz going. More ribbon cutting ceremonies after all.
Scott trench was supposed to be the last thing built in order to stretch the useful life of the Transitway. At this point though, yeah, would be great to open to Kitchi Sibi.

Since the tunnel is the point of delay, everything west of Kitchi Sibi will be ready at the same time.
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Curious, why the city didn't mandate incremental line construction and launch. Year two - open Westboro and Kichi-Sibi, year three - Lincoln Fields, etc.

This way they could start serving people quicker, find any real-world operational issues sooner, keep the buzz going. More ribbon cutting ceremonies after all.
Can trains be turned out there in the wooly west?
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Curious, why the city didn't mandate incremental line construction and launch. Year two - open Westboro and Kichi-Sibi, year three - Lincoln Fields, etc.

This way they could start serving people quicker, find any real-world operational issues sooner, keep the buzz going. More ribbon cutting ceremonies after all.
Speculation only, but I'd imagine part of the reason is that they built out the extensive (temporary) bus transfer system at Tunney's and it would be very impractical, if not impossible to move bus transfers along the westbound line incrementally.

So, in opening Westboro and Kichi-Sibi early, you'd only be getting marginal benefit by allowing only users of those stations the ability to ride the train to those stops.
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Old Posted Aug 17, 2023, 7:47 PM
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Can trains be turned out there in the wooly west?
There's a crossover after (west of) Kitchi Sibi. You usually want it before the station. Could maybe still work?

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Speculation only, but I'd imagine part of the reason is that they built out the extensive (temporary) bus transfer system at Tunney's and it would be very impractical, if not impossible to move bus transfers along the westbound line incrementally.

So, in opening Westboro and Kichi-Sibi early, you'd only be getting marginal benefit by allowing only users of those stations the ability to ride the train to those stops.
Yeah, you'd keep Tunney's as the bus transfer. Westboro and Kitchi Sibi would open for the thousands who live in those areas + the ones who will be moving there over the next few years. Those two stations will only be local even after the entire line opens.

Lincoln Fields is the only other logical suburban transfer (outside of Algonquin, Moodie and Bayshore), but since the tunnel is what is keeping things behind schedule, there's no scenario where the Line from Tunney's to LF would be complete, but not the Line 1 and 3 branches.
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The trench just west of Tunney's Pasture today:



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I suspect the thing that is keeping the line from opening in stages is the contract. The consortium likely doesn't get paid until the line is complete, and they don't want to hand over any of the track until they get paid. The contract could have been worded to allow milestone payments for transferring segments of track, but none of the other stations could have acted as a terminus for all of the "Rapid" and "Connexion" busses, so from a purely financial standpoint (ignoring rider experience), there is little advantage to a staged deployment.

On an unrelated note, I've said this before, but I hope that after Stage 2 west opens, route 11 (and possibly route 51) are rerouted to bypass Lincoln Fields Station and use New Orchard Station (and Sherbourne Station for route 11) for transfers to/from the O-Train. Judging by how they have overbuilt Lincoln Fields Station, I don't think this is in their plans. Route 11 could also potentially bypass Tunnies Pasture Station as well.
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The trench just west of Tunney's Pasture today:



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Does anyone know what became of those weird fiberglass (?) art pieces that were along the transitway trench for bus riders to enjoy?
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Nice and straight. I feel like RTG took the straight trench in Stage 1 and built somewhat wonky tracks, with subtle little deviations.

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Does anyone know what became of those weird fiberglass (?) art pieces that were along the transitway trench for bus riders to enjoy?
No clue, but hope they re-install them.
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How about that chainlink cattle chute on the East side of the new bridge? Anything to avoid building winter-maintained stairs.

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How about that chainlink cattle chute on the East side of the new bridge? Anything to avoid building winter-maintained stairs.

I believe the delay in opening this was due to electrical utilities under the east end of the bridge. At the centre of the lower wall, you can see a depression with plywood in it, that's likely an underground structure that couldn't be buried.

I'm guessing they then redesigned with the retaining walls to avoid burying the structure, and had to route the ramp in a less intuitive way.
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Old Posted Aug 29, 2023, 10:43 PM
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East and west rail extensions behind schedule, light rail subcommittee hears
"If it takes longer, it takes longer. We really should be focusing on making sure the system is as stable as possible."

Joanne Laucius, Ottawa Citizen
Published Aug 29, 2023 • Last updated 1 hour ago • 4 minute read


The east extension of Ottawa’s Stage 2 rail transit system is about seven weeks behind schedule, while the west extension is up to 17 months behind.

The forecast for completing the east extension is currently in the first quarter of 2025, compared to the agreed completion date of Nov. 26, 2024, according to a quarterly update for the city’s light rail sub-committee.

On the west extension, from Tunney’s Pasture Station to Moodie and Algonquin stations, the city expects a delay of up to 17 months. The contractual completion date is May 25, 2025.

“We’re still looking for opportunities to recover some time, but obviously some of it is accumulated and we won’t be able to recover it,” Michael Morgan, the director of the city’s rail construction program, told the sub-committee.

An inquiry into the delay-plagued Confederation Line, released last November, said it was rushed into service in 2019 and raised questions about the financial and political pressures on that project.

The project agreement with East/West Connectors to design, build and finance the east-west extensions requires a 98.5-per-cent performance level out of the train system before handover, but Morgan said it was important to be cautious.

“We want to make sure there are no questions, no hesitation,” he said. “If it takes longer, it takes longer. We really should be focusing on making sure the system is as stable as possible.”

At this stage of the project, safety management is key, he said. Project managers have taken into consideration safety measures that came up during the public inquiry.

“We can’t afford to have a safety incident because that will absolutely push out the schedule if we have any sort of safety incident during construction,” Morgan said.

Among the details in the update:
• Significant changes are being made to the road configuration at Jeanne D’Arc Station, where there are four lanes of traffic with a centre median. This is a dangerous spot for pedestrians and cyclists, so the entire road is being rebuilt. This will take some time, but the results will be “fantastic,” Morgan told the subcommittee.
• Of the 25 kilometres of track that needs to be laid in the east end, 23.5 kilometres has been laid so far.
• Testing in the east extension is scheduled to begin this fall and will continue next year. Following the trial running, there will be a “dress rehearsal” in which several hundred people test out the stations and the trains. Customer service teams will also familiarize themselves with the stations.
• Delays on the cut-and-cover tunnel along the Kichi Zībī Mīkan (formerly called the Sir John A Macdonald Parkway) and Byron Linear Park are pushing the overall project completion date to late 2026.
• Almost half of the roof of the 2.9-kilometre west-end tunnel has been completed. One of the last sections to be built is a 90-metre section at Cleary Avenue.
• The three-platform Lincoln Fields station is about 80 per cent complete and in “good shape,” Morgan said.
• A reopening date for the Pinecrest interchange remains up in the air, although signs in the area say it will be reopened in fall 2023. Partial and full openings are under consideration. That part of the project has been affected recent storms, Morgan said. It’s possible it will be reopened later this year, but it may also be pushed into next year.
• The Trillium Line handover from builders to the city is expected by the end of this year, but it has also experienced some delays, including stations still awaiting glass ordered from overseas and two stations awaiting hydro connections.

Members of the committee had questions about specifics of the project.

Bay Ward Coun. Theresa Kavanagh said residents in her ward were hoping to get access to a pedestrian bridge installed over the Queensway this summer before rail was in operation.

The bridge will use elevators and it’s still a long way before they are connected and approved, Morgan responded. The situation can likely be revisited in another two years, he said.

There were also question about opening bike paths ahead of stations. Cyclists can see that the paths are paved, but they’re still blocked off, said Beacon Hill-Cyrville Coun. Tim Tierney, chair of the sub-committee.

Some of the bike paths can’t be opened the public because they are used for construction access, Morgan said, but he added it could be possible to look at those paths on a case-by-case basis to see if there was an opportunity to open some of them earlier as work wrapped up.

Capital Ward Coun. Sean Menard had questions about the opening of a pedestrian bridge over the Rideau River to connect Carleton University to a National Capital Commission pathway.

The bridge is nearing completion, but an opening date has not been set. More paving and drainage work must be done, as well as electrical work, Morgan said. Without any hiccups, it could be open by the end of September.

https://ottawacitizen.com/news/local...ommittee-hears
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Some of the stations in the west look like they’re in a relatively advanced state with glass on the shelters. It’s odd to think it will be another three years until people get to use them. They’ll be well weathered by the time the extension opens
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As construction on the eastern extension comes closer and closer to completion (I imagine the last several months are reserved for testing and such), I hope those workers are redeployed to the western extension and we things pick up.

I understand line 1 and line 2 are different companies (so it's not like Trillium line workers can be redeployed to western extension), but the first scenario could be viable.
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Old Posted Aug 30, 2023, 2:22 PM
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As construction on the eastern extension comes closer and closer to completion (I imagine the last several months are reserved for testing and such), I hope those workers are redeployed to the western extension and we things pick up.

I understand line 1 and line 2 are different companies (so it's not like Trillium line workers can be redeployed to western extension), but the first scenario could be viable.
For sure. I'm pretty confident they'll be able to close the gap overtime. Maybe not hit the original date, but cut a few months off the tardiness. Overall impressed with their work.

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