North Shore Updates

[jollyburger]

Originally Posted by Migrant_Coconut

And then they'll likely have to use a tunnel anyway to go from Forbes back onto 3rd, unless they can convince the Squamish to evict half of Mission 1 for the viaduct - that'll be wonderful PR for TransLink.

Well with the marina eviction I assume they'll do some development next to the water but I doubt they have any interest in anything through the main part of the reserve land. There's also a cemetery next to Bewicke.

And there's the train tunnel around Esplanade/Lonsdale which might complicate any elevated guideway construction.. I wonder if they'll do land reclamation from Harbourside to Waterfront Park since there's not much land from the water to the railroad tracks..

[jollyburger]

Big surprise Lisa Muri thinks after a $3 billion overrun on the wastewater treatment plant it's just biased media ripping all her good work.

Muri, a councillor with the District of North Vancouver, suggested the government is doing a good job and it is media that have the matter wrong.

“We need to stand up and push back. We do exceptional work in this region,” said Muri, adding “right now we have the news explaining that and I don’t think they do a very good job; I think they’re biased.”

https://www.biv.com/news/economy-law...talks-10128787

[BaddieB]

Originally Posted by jollyburger

Ignore the fact that all the technical reports have the routing up 3rd Street..

Which ones? All the ones I've seen have vague corridors.

Originally Posted by Migrant_Coconut

Low Level Road severely reduces the catchment area - it cuts the stations off from all the density happening around both 3rd and Lonsdale, in exchange for grain silos, railways and water.. That's the kind of compromise that bites you in the ass ten years later like with the Canada Line.

Population within different radii of Low Level and Lonsdale vs 3rd and Lonsdale
800m - 14,600 vs. 17,800
1600m - 33,600 vs. 36,000

(That's according to this website, https://www.freemaptools.com/find-population.htm. I am assume it is underestimating a bit but 3rd and Lonsdale, but when you look on a map it's not too different)

And I wouldn't even call this a compromise because having the Skytrain closer to the water means it is closer to the seabus. A Skytrain on 3rd kind of sucks as a transfer to the seabus. If it's on Low Level a new concourse to the seabus can be constructed just like one exists at Waterfront.

So severely reducing catchment when it's 300m away let's be serious

Originally Posted by Migrant_Coconut

And then they'll likely have to use a tunnel anyway to go from Forbes back onto 3rd, unless they can convince the Squamish to evict half of Mission 1 for the viaduct - that'll be wonderful PR for TransLink.

It could look something like this. You could run it down Forbes if god forbid you take out a lane or two. It would only need to run on that forest corner of the reserve. "Half of Mission 1" again be serious. Whats more likely is the BIRT terminates at Lonsdale anyways because there really isnt that much population from Lower Lonsdale to Ambleside.

[Migrant_Coconut]

Originally Posted by BaddieB

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All parties involved appear to consider it as a given. The most recent McElhanney Purple Line study, for example, uses the Marine-3rd-Main corridor for all three options.

Your site uses the 2020 population (currently concentrated along 3rd, which is why both alignments pick it up). You want the 2040 population after the development spreads outward; a 3rd Street alignment's 800m includes all future development between 9th-15th and the waterfront, but Low Level/Esplanade's 800m only gets you up to Keith at best; that's tens of thousands of future residents you're leaving at the table to save a hundred million or so.

First, if Broadway/UBCx is too narrow for a viaduct, Forbes is definitely too narrow. Second, TransLink wants to avoid unnecessary slopes and turns where possible.
Third, almost all plans, conceptual or otherwise, involve eventually getting to at least Park Royal where the bus interchange is - once it's there, a RapidBus can run across the Lions Gate to downtown and truncate several redundant feeder lines covering the same route, freeing up a lot of buses and drivers to be used elsewhere. It's only a matter of time.

[BaddieB]

I am just saying what I predict based on the past. A station at 3rd would probably be better (except for missing a sea bus transfer no one wants to talk about).There's a reason, for example, the BSP doesn't portal west of Clark to reach Broadway and have a more central station at Fraser. Because money, even though one has a better catchment than the other.

I think if they were to splurge on tunneling it would be way better to have a tunnel that does a Z, with a station around Victoria Park and one at Lower Lonsdale

[Henbo]

Originally Posted by Migrant_Coconut

Low Level Road severely reduces the catchment area - it cuts the stations off from all the density happening around both 3rd and Lonsdale, in exchange for grain silos, railways and water.. That's the kind of compromise that bites you in the ass ten years later like with the Canada Line.

I don't think anyone is denying the benefits of an alignment along 3rd, but the question is are the benefits vs the additional cost worth it? (I don't have an opinion on this)

Also I could be wrong, but I don't think the mayors council have decided SkyTrain for the route to date

[Migrant_Coconut]

Originally Posted by BaddieB

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It's a roughly 7-11 minute walk from the SeaBus up to 3rd (likely faster the other way around); not an ideal connection, but neither is the 8-12 minute transfer from Singapore's City Hall to Bencoolen/Bras Basah. I do agree that there should be some kind of equivalent tunnel between the SeaBus and Lonsdale Station.

If we're going to talk about VCC-Clark, we should also talk about how picking that station in the first place (among other questionable choices during the Millennium's design phase) stalled SkyTrain expansion for the rest of the decade. That was then. Now, the new paradigm appears to be "spare no expense."

Assuming the SkyTrain can even make the climb (that or create a very deep Central Lonsdale Station), splurging would be better done with an actual branch from Moodyville all the way up the hill to Lynn Valley. But I'll leave that particular thought for the Fantasy thread.

Originally Posted by Henbo

I don't think anyone is denying the benefits of an alignment along 3rd, but the question is are the benefits vs the additional cost worth it? (I don't have an opinion on this)

Also I could be wrong, but I don't think the mayors council have decided SkyTrain for the route to date

Thing is, elevated apparently doesn't save us much money. The UBCx study (page 136) pegs the cost difference between a viaduct and a tunnel at $140m/km vs $160m/km, and stations at $50m vs $100m.
Using that metric, a 2.5km tunnel down 3rd is about $400m plus $200m for stations at Lonsdale and Moodyville, while a 3.25km viaduct down Low Level is about $455m plus $100m for the stations... so at best we're saving $45 million out of $6-10+ billion. Not really worth it.

Not official yet, but it doesn't seem like they nor the engineers are considering anything else.

[jollyburger]

And there is zero chance you can do elevated down Low Level Road without a massive cut into the hill.

Or they can just cut and cover Low Level Road

[officedweller]

There's a thread for the purple line here:
https://skyscraperpage.com/forum/sho...254744&page=26

This thread is for current project updates.

[jollyburger]

Back on topic

QuadReal works toward Capilano Mall redevelopment in North Vancouver
The Vancouver-based global real estate company has just completed its public disclosure of a 16.5-acre concept to redevelop the Capilano Centre Mall.

QuadReal began conceptualizing the plan in 2019 and shared a renewed concept with the public late last year. The company is now reviewing initial public and government sentiment on the master plan that would see mall, built over 50 years ago, replaced with 11 towers ranging from 12-40 storeys.

The plan aims for 3,100 homes, 152,000 square feet of retail/commercial space, a public park and a community centre — if fully realized. Roughly 30 per cent of the homes would be rental, according to the latest vision for the development.

"Now that we've done that process, we're looking at all of the feedback that we did get," said Paul Faibish, senior vice-president, development with QuadReal. "Then we'll continue to work with the city on responding to that feedback and see what further feedback the city has, based on that."

"That is sort of an outdated model that doesn't really work anymore, and (enclosed malls) are typically in great locations," Faibish said. These properties are usually well connected to transit and have acres of surface parking that can be up-zoned and developed into new housing or retail space on massive tracts of land in urban centres.

QuadReal's plan for the Capilano site also includes vision for "maker spaces" along the southern edge of the property, which it is calling the South Village. Those spaces could include businesses like breweries or bakeries and other food production operations that would also have dining space for customers.

"The buildings along that edge are also meant to have sort of courtyards facing the street to create spaces for patios,” Faibish said.

https://renx.ca/quadreal-capilano-ma...uver-11-towers

[jollyburger]

I don't see anything new in the article but they said they'll announce the second phase of planning soon.

Squamish Nation reveals ambitious land use plans in North Vancouver, Squamish

https://www.nsnews.com/local-news/sq...ouver-10117487

[Tvisforme]

Originally Posted by jollyburger

Back on topic





https://renx.ca/quadreal-capilano-ma...uver-11-towers

When did they start referring to it as "Capilano Centre Mall"?

Interesting proposal, although I still think it would be a major mistake to close Hamilton south of Marine Drive.

[jollyburger]

Originally Posted by Tvisforme

When did they start referring to it as "Capilano Centre Mall"?

Interesting proposal, although I still think it would be a major mistake to close Hamilton south of Marine Drive.

I think that was just a mistake by the writer.

[jollyburger]

B.C. Housing Minister Ravi Kahlon announced Thursday he is appointing advisers for West Vancouver and Oak Bay after the two municipalities failed to come close to building the number of units they were required to under B.C. law.

In West Vancouver, Kahlon said the adviser’s focus will be on reviewing zoning bylaws for small-scale multi-unit housing and projects council has rejected. He also wants a review of the Taylor Way area plan with a view toward developing housing around transit.

https://vancouversun.com/news/ravi-k...ousing-targets

[GenWhy?]

Originally Posted by jollyburger

https://vancouversun.com/news/ravi-k...ousing-targets

The mayor of West Van moaned so hard this morning it was worth of an Oscar. Paraphrasing a bit but not too much, "we've asked high levels of government for funding for below-market / social housing and we haven't gotten enough to build what the Province wants"...

Really dodging the we prevented all forms of housing to sufficiently be built bullet. Have fun with a provincial overload running you show now.

[jollyburger]

Sitings has a 2032 completion date for Phase 2 of Concert's Harbourside development. Development permit is supposed to go in this year.

They have some professional use listed for two spaces, one for a cafe. Two restaurant and a 1760 SF CRU are not leased yet. Phase 2 will have more substantial commercial. There will be supposedly close to 290,000 sq feet of commercial space across all the phases.

https://sitings.ca/property/the-shop...ver-bc-canada/

[officedweller]

North Harbour – North Vancouver


https://www.concertproperties.com/ne...ruction-update

Located along a prime stretch of North Vancouver’s waterfront, North Harbour is taking shape, bringing to life a dynamic community with condominium homes, rental apartments, retail spaces and vibrant amenities. Each building in the master-planned community is progressing steadily.

Drift: Shower glass, mirror and accessories installation has advanced to level 6. Appliance installation has progressed to level 8, while countertop and backsplash installation continues on level 5. Mechanical and electrical finishes are also progressing on level 7.
Aire East: Tile and cabinet installations are now underway, having reached levels 1 and 2. Taping and sanding have advanced to level 3. Drywall installation is in progress on level 4, alongside electrical rough-ins, which have advanced to level 7.
Aire West: Flooring installations have now reached level 7 and appliance installations have advanced to level 5 . Electrical finishes have progressed to level 4.
Rental: Mechanical and electrical finishes have reached level 6. Flooring installation is ongoing on level 9, while shower glass, mirror and accessories installation is underway on level 4.
Infrastructure: Across North Harbour, civil infrastructure work continues and is progressing steadily .

https://www.concertproperties.com/ne...ruction-update

[officedweller]

146-160 East Second Street


CNV council has approved a six-storey building bringing 76 rental units on top of one floor of commercial space to replace a vacant, two-storey Lower Lonsdale commercial building that was built in 1980. | City of North Vancouver
https://www.westerninvestor.com/brit...sdale-10181632

[officedweller]

2195 Gordon Ave.

West Vancouver affordable housing coming online way ahead of schedule


Kiwanis North Shore Housing Society executive director Stefan Baune is pleased the non-profit’s affordable housing project in West Vancouver is projected to open months ahead of schedule. | Paul McGrath / North Shore News
https://www.nsnews.com/local-news/we...edule-10165246

[officedweller]

1510 to 1530 Crown St.

North Vancouver council OKs switch from strata to all-rental at large Lynn Creek development
https://www.nsnews.com/local-news/no...pment-10191721


https://www.nsnews.com/local-news/no...pment-10191721


https://www.nsnews.com/local-news/no...pment-10191721