YVR Airport & Sea Island Developments Discussion

[Canada_Line]

Does anyone know if the west chevron extension of the airport will be the last expansion of the current ITB? The airport plans seem to claim so but I've noticed this new extension has been constructed to be compatible with further expansions of this wing. There are no air bridges located on the end wall of the terminal (unusual) and the elevated arrivals walkway extends into this end wall even though the last air gates connect farther down this walkway making the end section seemingly unnecessary. YVR has also used the area immediately outside the extension as cargo parking area? which could be easily removed. (The airplane movement markings are located farther to the outside.) This all suggests to me another extension could be built here before an ITB/transborder eastern expansion.

Second, do more detailed maps/diagrams of the YVR terminal building design (or other airports, for that matter) exist? If they do, where could I find these (anyone have them available? )? I'm looking for maps that show all airport structures including the aforementioned elevated arrivals walkway, transfer facilities, connecting passageways, arrivals hall layout, etc and passenger flow through the terminal buildings. The abstract terminal maps that all airports provide give minimal information and do not satisfy my curiosity.

Maps of airport airside/runway systems would be appreciated as well.

Is a lot of the above information purposefully hidden for security purposes (although there is no reason how this information would compromise security IMO)? What part of airport staff would have access to this information? This information extremely fascinates me.

[twoNeurons]

Originally Posted by SpongeG

old news but a news story on it

Air Canada adds new Tokyo stop

Move will give airline better access to Japanese domestic market

By Derrick Penner, Vancouver Sun

"Calling [Haneda] a regional hub is probably the best way to phrase it, because they are taking [flights] from the major hubs of airlines and plugging them into [Haneda's] partner connections," Marc-David Seidel, an airline expert in the Sauder School of Business at the University of B.C. said.

Haneda is Tokyo's dominant domestic airport, so Seidel said Air Canada can now better tap Japan's considerable market in the short term.

I don't know how well they're serving Japan's domestic market in the short term. I don't think there are many flights leaving Haneda after midnight for domestic locations.

Good on the outbound to Vancouver, not so much on the inbound to Haneda.

In July, the airline reported that its traffic to its Pacific region has increased almost 25 per cent compared with a year ago.

"We are confident our newest international flight will meet the growing demand for travel in the strong Pacific market," Smith said.

Personally would've preferred Osaka, but I can see the business sense of "being committed to Haneda" early.

Japan is trying to turn Haneda into Incheon. A 24-hour hub convenient for Japanese travelers. Once that's done, they'll turn their attention to the Kansai(Osaka) area. I think these airlines feel that in time they will relax the flight windows for the "early adopters" and they want to build up customer loyalty in the meantime.

[Gordon]

The Second phase of the West Chevron is the fina palnned expansion to the current International Terminal Building . The most likely next phase would likely be the Northwest Terminal building( the parking lots across the tarmac from the Transborder concorse( E gates) It maybe be a while beore thsi is needed.

[deasine]

Originally Posted by Canada_Line

Does anyone know if the west chevron extension of the airport will be the last expansion of the current ITB? The airport plans seem to claim so but I've noticed this new extension has been constructed to be compatible with further expansions of this wing. There are no air bridges located on the end wall of the terminal (unusual) and the elevated arrivals walkway extends into this end wall even though the last air gates connect farther down this walkway making the end section seemingly unnecessary. YVR has also used the area immediately outside the extension as cargo parking area? which could be easily removed. (The airplane movement markings are located farther to the outside.) This all suggests to me another extension could be built here before an ITB/transborder eastern expansion.

From what I know, the west chevron is built to be extended easily, but there are no plans to do so. The future, new Transborder Terminal will free up gates for the east wing, which gates are using both International and US flights.

Originally Posted by Canada_Line

Second, do more detailed maps/diagrams of the YVR terminal building design (or other airports, for that matter) exist? If they do, where could I find these (anyone have them available? )? I'm looking for maps that show all airport structures including the aforementioned elevated arrivals walkway, transfer facilities, connecting passageways, arrivals hall layout, etc and passenger flow through the terminal buildings. The abstract terminal maps that all airports provide give minimal information and do not satisfy my curiosity.

Maps of airport airside/runway systems would be appreciated as well.

Is a lot of the above information purposefully hidden for security purposes (although there is no reason how this information would compromise security IMO)? What part of airport staff would have access to this information? This information extremely fascinates me.

I'm not sure if you know, but the media made a big deal when YVR posted terminal plans of their airport out online. You aren't going to get any more detailed information other than the ones on the 2027 Masterplan.

[twoNeurons]

Originally Posted by Gordon

The Second phase of the West Chevron is the fina palnned expansion to the current International Terminal Building . The most likely next phase would likely be the Northwest Terminal building( the parking lots across the tarmac from the Transborder concorse( E gates) It maybe be a while beore thsi is needed.

Don't you mean the new North-east terminal? It will include a new customs hall, provide 11 additional aircraft gates, a Canada Line station and an additional parkade if required.

2014 will see a new North-South Taxiway ( that'll be surreal to see an A380 cross over the main road and Canada Line )

2018 will see access improvements from Vancouver

2023 will see expansion of said terminal (Phase II). An additional 14 gates, providing a total of 87 jet gates at YVR.

2025 will see a new runway (either Foreshore or Southside)

2027 will see access improvements from Richmond (MIDDLE ARM (MORAY BRIDGE) CROSSING)

From the 2027 Master Plan:

[Canada_Line]

Originally Posted by deasine

From what I know, the west chevron is built to be extended easily, but there are no plans to do so. The future, new Transborder Terminal will free up gates for the east wing, which gates are using both International and US flights.

Thanks for this. The map in the masterplan was intriguing and another reason for my speculation. Careful examination of the proposed terminal map posted above shows a small roundabout end section to the west chevron that is not currently existing. Of course, this is just wild guessing.

Originally Posted by deasine

I'm not sure if you know, but the media made a big deal when YVR posted terminal plans of their airport out online. You aren't going to get any more detailed information other than the ones on the 2027 Masterplan.

That's too bad. What part of airport staff would you need to work as to have access to this kind of juicy information?

[Gordon]

The last phase of the West Chevron will include 6 wide body gates, then the northwest terminal (phase 1) would be built.

[twoNeurons]

Originally Posted by Canada_Line

That's too bad. What part of airport staff would you need to work as to have access to this kind of juicy information?

Operations, probably.

[trofirhen]

Originally Posted by Gordon

The last phase of the West Chevron will include 6 wide body gates, then the northwest terminal (phase 1) would be built.

Excuse me, but when you say that then the "northwest terminal (phase 1) would be built, do you mean the (theoretically) new transborder terminal shaped a bit like a submarine, on the map. Wouldn't that be the NORTHEAST terminal. Not to be nitpicking, but I'm a little confused. Thanks for your time.

(or maybe it's going to be referred to as the northwest terminal ??)

Two other questions please: is this new terminal definitely a transborder (United States) flights termainal?
I heard talk of some kind of "people mover" train between it and the current terminal. Any info about this?
YVR doesn't seem big enough to warrant it, as it would surely have moving ramps. But it is possible that
there might be one, I guess.

[Gordon]

Oops I meant North East

[twoNeurons]

Originally Posted by trofirhen

Wouldn't that be the NORTHEAST terminal. Not to be nitpicking, but I'm a little confused. Thanks for your time.

Also corrected in my post.

I heard talk of some kind of "people mover" train between it and the current terminal. Any info about this?

If you look at the map, it appears that there will be a "post-security" connection between transborder and international. This will be for US flights connecting to international destinations, probably complete with moving ramps and all the usual airport stuff.

The end of that terminal will also house a Canada Line station, that could be considered a people mover.

However, I think the "actual" people mover that you're talking about is if the airport decided to expand the terminal either west or South. I believe they were thinking about adding a people mover to connect this satellite terminal.

For the record, I think the North-east terminal makes more sense, though there is definitely room to expand the domestic terminal.

[trofirhen]

Originally Posted by twoNeurons

For the record, I think the North-east terminal makes more sense, though there is definitely room to expand the domestic terminal.

Agreed. Better to keep the YVR complex as "compact" as possible, as long as it's not crowded.

[trofirhen]

Originally Posted by twoNeurons

BRIDGE) CROSSING)

From the 2027 Master Plan:

Looking carefully, one can see that this plan is dated. First of all, the expansion of Pier C is not included.

Secondly, there seems an assumption that the final piece of the West Chevron - not yet built - is a "fait accompli."

Nevertheless, having a new transborder terminal would be great, but I think the state of delapidated Pier B needs to be addressed first.

A YVR source said there are plans in store for Pier B, but would not release any details as yet. I'd like to know what those plans are. Anybody have an idea?

[Canada_Line]

Originally Posted by trofirhen

Looking carefully, one can see that this plan is dated. First of all, the expansion of Pier C is not included.

Secondly, there seems an assumption that the final piece of the West Chevron - not yet built - is a "fait accompli."

Nevertheless, having a new transborder terminal would be great, but I think the state of delapidated Pier B needs to be addressed first.

A YVR source said there are plans in store for Pier B, but would not release any details as yet. I'd like to know what those plans are. Anybody have an idea?

What do you mean by "fait accompli"?

[Gordon]

The completion of the West Chevron will be the next expansion because the current building was built to be expanded easily and the necessary ground inprovements have been done.

I would think the Peir B project would be significant rehabilitation of the current structure as opposed to a re-build.

[whatnext]

The transborder turboprop gates really need to be redone, its a total ghetto compared to the rest of the terminal.

[trofirhen]

Originally Posted by Canada_Line

What do you mean by "fait accompli"?

That it will definitely be built, sooner or later. In other words, it's not still being considered only a possibility. It's just a matter of when, not if. (According to the plan)

[deasine]

Originally Posted by trofirhen

Looking carefully, one can see that this plan is dated. First of all, the expansion of Pier C is not included.

Secondly, there seems an assumption that the final piece of the West Chevron - not yet built - is a "fait accompli."

Nevertheless, having a new transborder terminal would be great, but I think the state of delapidated Pier B needs to be addressed first.

A YVR source said there are plans in store for Pier B, but would not release any details as yet. I'd like to know what those plans are. Anybody have an idea?

The plan isn't dated. It's just the project was broken up into phases and that the first phase was only building up to Gate D64: just the curved end of the terminal isn't completed. There's no need to expand as of yet, but if there are more airlines coming in, then an expansion will be needed. From what I know, Transat is hoping to continue expanding their Vancouver-European market and introduce Vancouver-Asia (probably to Shanghai or Tokyo). That being said, I can't see how Transat can do that with their current business model. I know China Southern [SkyTeam] is also interested in flying into YVR.

Pier B would be expanded and re-renovated (keeping the bare bones of the structure) similar to what has been done at Pier C.

[trofirhen]

Originally Posted by deasine

From what I know, Transat is hoping to continue expanding their Vancouver-European market and introduce Vancouver-Asia (probably to Shanghai or Tokyo). That being said, I can't see how Transat can do that with their current business model.

Pier B would be expanded and re-renovated (keeping the bare bones of the structure) similar to what has been done at Pier C.

Deasine, regarding TRANSAT, referring to "their current business" model, do you mean as a charter airline? And that to expand, they would need to start scheduled services? I'm unclear on that. * * * * This, of course, would change the Canadian airline landscape if it is what I think you mean. Or am I off-base? Could you elaborate?

(Great if Pier B gets a complete nose-job!! On that plan, however, Pier C was marked in as it used to be; without the expansion, that's all.)

[twoNeurons]

Originally Posted by trofirhen

That it will definitely be built, sooner or later. In other words, it's not still being considered only a possibility. It's just a matter of when, not if. (According to the plan)

Or the closely related English term "as good as done"