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You don't need to spend a thousand dollars to buy made in Canada. Likewise, a $20 polo shirt and a $150 polo shirt are both going to be made in countries that pay $1 as you put it. For the most part, it's just people displaying their wealth and shrewd entrepreneurs taking advantage of it.
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You're paying for quality and expensive labour. Part of the appeal of buying a Bulova is that the time piece is Swiss. The appeal of Canada Goose is that it's made in a country that knows something about making winter gear. It's not made in Bangladesh by people making $1/day.

Canadian labour is expensive. I'm sure you don't work for $1/day. Are your rates ridiculous?
Well I said I wouldn't mind spending a grand on something that I really want.


I just don't get spending a grand on a parka, unless you're going to the artic or something.
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You all post about boring chain store and restaurant expansions into Canada, and nothing on a truly interesting retail expansion project, the expansion of the downtown Montreal Ogilvy store.
The expanded store will become the largest luxury store in Canada, and will include Holt Renfrew, but under the Ogilvy name.

This is an interesting project, which shows a national chain like Holt Renfrew can make decisions to keep history and play it off in different cities. Keeping the Ogilvy name and other touches will really set this store apart from other places, especially Nordstroms, which tends to do boring suburban looking stores.

This is also a great shot in the arm for downtown Montreal retail and one of Canada's legendary stores.
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Don't know if this was posted before;

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HUDSON'S BAY NEW SIGNAGE GOES UP ON ITS QUEEN STREET FLAGSHIP
Hudson's Bay stores are in the process of installing new signage, consistent with its new 'Hudson's Bay' branding and logo font. The first Canadian Hudson's Bay store to get the new signage was the Downtown Vancouver store, which saw its signs change in October 2012.

The chain's Toronto flagship is finally getting updated signage, and Skeezix from Urban Toronto took the above photo. We think it looks better than what was previously there, as can be seen in the image below (taken in May, 2012, according to Google).



http://www.retail-insider.com/2013/1...up-on-its.html
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The old one was colourful, vibrant and unique, whereas the new one is dull, timid and predictable. But I suppose if they want to go upscale they need to try and eliminate anything to funky, quirky, and colourful, as the gentry would not classify such attributes as being refined.
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I think the old logo was very dated. I much prefer the new one, classier.
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You all post about boring chain store and restaurant expansions into Canada, and nothing on a truly interesting retail expansion project, the expansion of the downtown Montreal Ogilvy store.
The expanded store will become the largest luxury store in Canada, and will include Holt Renfrew, but under the Ogilvy name.

This is an interesting project, which shows a national chain like Holt Renfrew can make decisions to keep history and play it off in different cities. Keeping the Ogilvy name and other touches will really set this store apart from other places, especially Nordstroms, which tends to do boring suburban looking stores.

This is also a great shot in the arm for downtown Montreal retail and one of Canada's legendary stores.
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http://www.montrealgazette.com/busin...379/story.html
Ogilvy, Holt Renfrew to merge into luxury megastore


Construction will begin in 2014, with a design celebrating ‘familiar elements of the distinctive and stylish Ogilvy building’

BY EVA FRIEDE, GAZETTE STYLE EDITOR NOVEMBER 19, 2013



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MONTREAL — The luxury merger of Ogilvy and Holt Renfrew in a massive expanded store is great news for Montreal, staff, retailers and analysts agree.
The official word that Montreal's two luxury department stores will merge in an expanded Ogilvy in 2017 came Tuesday, after more than two years of widespread speculation that just this was in the works after the owners of Holt Renfrew bought Ogilvy in fall of 2011.
Selfridges Group Ltd., owned by the Weston family of Toronto, also controls Loblaws and the Selfridges department store in the U.K., among other retailers.
And Ogilvy has won the top billing on the new 220,000-square-foot store, which will take the rather clunky name "Ogilvy, part of the Holt Renfrew & Co. collection." The store will be unique to Montreal and the largest in the Holt Renfrew chain, which has 10 stores plus a pop-up across Canada.
In French, the name will be Ogilvy, membre de la collection Holt Renfrew & Co.
"We see it as Ogilvy reimagined by Holt Renfrew,'' said Mark Derbyshire, president of Holt Renfrew, accompanied in Ogilvy's plush wood-panelled executive offices by the new senior vice-president of the store, Joanne Nemeroff, a Montrealer who formerly led La Senza. In good form, she wore Marie Saint Pierre, the Montreal designer carried by Ogilvy's but not Holt's.
It's taking the best of the storied brand of Ogilvy and the best of the heritage brand Holt Renfrew and creating something new, Derbyshire said.
But details of the $60-million expansion into a new building on the site of adjacent the Hotel de la Montagne were scant.
The hotel is being demolished and construction will begin in 2014. The new building will be five storeys and the two wings will connect seamlessly, Derbyshire said. Architects and plans are not finalized.
One big question is what retail tenants will remain.
Both stores have a mix of tenants, but Ogilvy's has about 80 per cent of its spaced leased to retailers like Louis Vuitton, Ports 1961, Collange, Michael Kors, Bleu Comme le Ciel and Design Louis George, the fifth floor furniture concession which has already announced it is moving by the end of the year. In Holt Renfrew, Chanel, Tiffany, Hermès and Agent Provocateur are among the tenant retailers.
Speaking simultaneously during much of the joint interview, Nemeroff and Derbyshire pointed out that the plans are a work in progress.
"The good thing is we have three years," Nemeroff said.
"We have to work through the process," Derbyshire added, asked if that percentage of leasing was going to be lowered. "Lease operation is a core part of our business.''
"At this point, it's business as usual," Nemeroff said.
Asked about their futures in Ogilvy's, retail tenants said they had no idea what was in store.
Marie-Hélène Chartray, owner of the Bleu Comme le Ciel jewelry concession, said the new store will be the best place to shop in Montreal. "I'm pretty proud about that. Let's hope I'm part of their plans."
Derbyshire said the retailer has spent two years talking to customers. The tenant mix will meet their needs, Nemeroff said.
According to Derbyshire, Ogilvy customers told them, "Re-energize my shop."
The Holt customer wants more depth, breadth and assortment of brands — new brands, the pair said.
As for overlap in such areas as shoes, Nemeroff said there was room for a much bigger shoe hall.
Asked if it will have its own zip code, as Saks famously did with its shoe floor in New York, they laughed.
Both executives acknowledged that many Montrealers shop outside this city, whether it be in Toronto, the rest of Canada, or abroad.
"I think if we can give them what's equivalent to what they can get anywhere else they would be happy to shop in Montreal," Nemeroff said.
Staffing in the future will increase, Derbyshire said.
Both Ogilvy and Holt Renfrew are heritage brands founded in Quebec: Ogilvy in 1866 in Montreal, Holt's in 1837 in Quebec City.
Ogilvy's, on Ste-Catherine St. W. at the corner of de la Montagne, is the larger property, with 120,000 square feet. Holt Renfrew, on Sherbrooke St. W, just up the street on de la Montagne, has 64,000 square feet.
Asked what they think people will actually call the store, the executives had no answers.
The banner is to bring together the two brands. It will be up to Steeve Lapierre, a longtime Ogilvy's VP of marketing and visual display, to make the concept work, from the bag to the signage, Nemeroff said.
"It's really important that the two names are in this," Nemeroff said.
As for the future of the Holt Renfrew building, that was not on Tuesday's agenda.
Currently, Holt tenants Dior and Hermès have storefronts on Sherbrooke St. W.
Asked if Holt's luxury tenants, which also includes Chanel, might like to have independent storefronts on Sherbrooke after the move, Derbyshire said: "We would hope that would continue to be great partners."
Nemeroff said she expected there will be a shift to that part of the city, where many new developments are underway.
"I think it will be a destination,'' Derbyshire said. "It will be the store that people remember."
Retail analyst Tony Flanz, president of Think Retail, said there is already a shift westward downtown, sparked by the Apple store and augmented by a strong core of "dynamic retailers'' like Lululemon, Urban Outfitters and Fossil.
It's great news for the city and very positive for both brands, said retail analyst Terry Henderson, president of the Quebec and Atlantic divisions of J.C. Williams Group.
"It is a piece of property in Montreal that has a mystique to it,'' he said, adding he sees the potential for the Ogilvy brand to expand beyond Quebec.
"Strategically, I think it's a good move," said Jeff Berkowitz, president of Aurora Realty Consultants Inc.
"They're going to create a really interesting experience for Montreal."
What Tuesday's announcement failed to answer were questions about plans for a neighbouring hotel and condo development on de la Montagne St. that had been the subject of previous media reports.
What was originally supposed to be a multi-level urban mall was scaled back by about 50,000 square feet, a source told The Gazette. The project's initial multi-level urban mall concept was dropped because it would have been difficult to find retailers willing to lease space on higher floors with less traffic, La Presse reported last month.
Made public by the city of Montreal in 2012 — at the height of the low-interest rate-fuelled real estate boom — the initial Maison Ogilvy plan called for a $150-million project, including an urban mall with underground parking, adjacent to a mixed-use project, combining 110 condos, a 120-room hotel and ground-floor retail space.
The development was initially the brainchild of Ogilvy-owner Selfridges, in partnership with the Quebec Federation of Labour's Fonds de solidarité and Montreal-based developer Devimco Inc. But with the Fonds selling its stake in late 2012, and Devimco changing its corporate structure into two entities — Devimco Immobilier and Carbonleo — the ownership of the project has now evolved.
Carbonleo, headed by president Jean-François Breton, is the owner of the parking lot sandwiched between the Hotel de la Montagne and Wanda's Strip Club. The lot is still going to be transformed into a mixed-use development, but details of the project will only be known in the spring, said Carbonleo spokesperson André Bouthillier.
Both stores will remain open during construction.

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I like the cleaner upscale look of the new font, but I feel they should also place their logo on the buildings to make the brand stand out more;

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I think the old logo was very dated. I much prefer the new one, classier.
I agree it was definitely dated, but I'm tired of the assumption that old has to mean inferior, and that it's good to sweep away all character and distinctiveness in order to appear classy or refined.
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The old one was colourful, vibrant and unique, whereas the new one is dull, timid and predictable. But I suppose if they want to go upscale they need to try and eliminate anything to funky, quirky, and colourful, as the gentry would not classify such attributes as being refined.
The former logo was actually taken from Morgan's which was a Montreal based department store chain that once had stores in Quebec and Ontario. HBC bought out Morgan's in the 1960s. Apparently the first large "The Bay" stores were former Morgan's locations and they used the same font for recognition purposes.

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I'm familiar with the history.

The ironic part is that in another 20 or 30 years when the new "modern" signage is no longer considered modern, the previous signage will be reintroduced and marketed as getting back to it's root and honouring its core traditions or some such. and people will love it's fun, colouful vibe and see it as retro or classic, and wonder why it was ever changed in the first place.
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I would say that the expansion of Ogilvy's is a good thing as long as they keep some of Ogilvy's traditions like the bagpiper the Christmas display window alive. It's unfortunate that they are vacating the Art-Deco Holt Renfrew building, but I'm sure it will find appropriate usage (perhaps something art related since the MMFA is on the next block)

De la Montagne will be greatly improved with the removal of the Hotel de la Montagne, the expansion of Ogilvy's and the construction of a new condo/hotel tower. Hopefully Wanda's will sell...
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I would say that the expansion of Ogilvy's is a good thing as long as they keep some of Ogilvy's traditions like the bagpiper the Christmas display window alive. It's unfortunate that they are vacating the Art-Deco Holt Renfrew building, but I'm sure it will find appropriate usage (perhaps something art related since the MMFA is on the next block)

De la Montagne will be greatly improved with the removal of the Hotel de la Montagne, the expansion of Ogilvy's and the construction of a new condo/hotel tower. Hopefully Wanda's will sell...
Might they open an hr2 in the old building?
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I think the old logo was very dated. I much prefer the new one, classier.
Even the name itself ("The Bay") is a bit dated... for some reason, it was a bit of a fad to shorten corporate names that way during the fifties and sixties. For example, banks started calling themselves "The Royal", "The Commerce", "The Toronto-Dominion", etc., but it didn't stick for very long, while HBC held on to that naming convention for a good half-century.
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Might they open an hr2 in the old building?
That would be a totally cheap thing to do to such a nice building. And I don't think hr2 would ever open near a real Holt Renfrew, as it would cheapen the brand.

As it is, I think Holt Renfrew made a mistake with opening a downmarket store. They should stick to high end. You don't see Harrods, Liberty, or any of the worlds other major high end stores opening up downmarket branches, except for oh yes in the USA, where stores just don't have class anymore.

Holt Renfrew better get busy expanding their Bloor Street flagship. We can't have Montreal beating us in having the largest luxury store in Canada .
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Even the name itself ("The Bay") is a bit dated... for some reason, it was a bit of a fad to shorten corporate names that way during the fifties and sixties. For example, banks started calling themselves "The Royal", "The Commerce", "The Toronto-Dominion", etc., but it didn't stick for very long, while HBC held on to that naming convention for a good half-century.
They're doing it all over again (shortened or initials); Scotia Bank, CIBC, RBC, TD, BMO.

Even colleges and Universities are doing it; uOttawa (University of Ottawa), Western (University of Western Ontario), le Cité (La Cité Collégiale), AC (Algonquin College)...
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The only shortened names I use are CIBC and Scotiabank. I go by the long name for the other banks. Then again, I still say Skydome and Maple Leaf Gardens.
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The only shortened names I use are CIBC and Scotiabank. I go by the long name for the other banks. Then again, I still say Skydome and Maple Leaf Gardens.
Ditto. I do the same with the Corel Centre and pre-amalgamation cities.
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They're doing it all over again (shortened or initials); Scotia Bank, CIBC, RBC, TD, BMO.

Even colleges and Universities are doing it; uOttawa (University of Ottawa), Western (University of Western Ontario), le Cité (La Cité Collégiale), AC (Algonquin College)...
Colleges and unis aren't "doing it"; there have been shorthand ways to refer to unis for at least a century. And Western University is the new name of UWO.
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It is looking increasingly likely that Sears Canada is heading for bankruptcy...800 losing their jobs, and it may be for sale.

Second-tier stores would have no obvious anchor to fill the malls, and that could be the downfall of a lot of regional malls.
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